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Need your valuable advice guys!!!

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2005 09:53 pm
As a slight tangent and not to nudge you into comments that are too personal, Eva, I am interested in how you and your brother communicate. Whatever the situation is, is not particular to you, except that it is, but is what is going on in many families with some background of rigid gender roles and some reaching out among the young'ns. Well, some of us young'ns reaching our are pretty old now.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2005 11:08 pm
Ronfg wrote:
We'll see! Only time will show who had to learn in a hard way.


Ronfg, the fourteen-year-old savior of men, is going to teach us wimmens the hard way how to cook and clean for mankind.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 10 Mar, 2005 11:21 pm
I have thought that Ronfg is very young myself, Debra, but quaver to think he is what he says, early twenties. If he isn't, someone else is.

I don't so much care what any one person thinks, as long as it doesn't impinge on others, so it's the others I worry about,
re impingement.
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Tenoch
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 12:59 am
Finally finished reading this thread. Rongf is definatly stuck in 1940 or in a third world country. But as much as I think he is an idiot, there are an equal number of women who are equally backwards. He will find a woman. I have met women here in the US who expect their men to be providers and that's it. They'll give him sex, kids, food, as long as they get taken care of finantially. You can't always blame it on guys for women's choice of lifestyle.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 07:38 am
I had a similar thought Tenoch. There are women that have no self-respect and look for a man to tell them who they are and how they should live. It's masochistic, but I'm amazed how often people who will put up with abuse will find the abuser and visa versa. Sometimes people do chose to be victims. While most women would run the first time Ronfg opens his mouth, he might find one that will stick around due to her own lack of self worth. I also think there have been role models in Ronfg's life that have made him feel this is way things should be.

I also think men (boys) like Ronfg also miss out on many of the good things about keeping a home and raising children by delegating it all as "women's work".
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Eva
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 10:13 pm
ossobuco wrote:
As a slight tangent and not to nudge you into comments that are too personal, Eva, I am interested in how you and your brother communicate...


We don't, osso. Some years back, he hurt my son. I've had minimal contact with him since. I'd rather not get into all that right now, except to say that he is a disturbed individual and his strict views on gender roles are typical of his controlling personality. It is a very good thing that he has never married.

Let's get back to the subject at hand, okay?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 10:31 pm
Right.
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rodbogey
 
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Reply Fri 11 Mar, 2005 11:59 pm
Ronfg wrote:
Oh come on justa Babbling!!! So if u have read the whole reply of mine from the other thread, why in the world would u conclude that I don't believe in gender equality? I do believe women and men are equal. I do believe women are equal to men in terms of intelligence. Though, there are certain limits that women should never pass because god determined that limit to women; that is family responsibility as a wife.
For instance, women are distinguished as wives whenever they engage into marriege with men. Wife means wife; Wife has the responsibility to cook, to look after chidlren, and to be the queen of the house.
It is normal for woman to go out there and fight for their rights- against those who don't think women are equal. I will never be surprised if all the CEOs, politicians, and presidents were women.
But, I will stand tall against those who oppose to take the responsibilty of wife. Woman must not go out there and say "we are equal, thus, we will not take inequal responsibility in marriege." Come on! this is not inequality. This is what makes women more women. For being men's wives, men love them more.



You're unbeliebable! Your big, big, big issue dude is that you're defining what is to be woman from a male's point of view. Your basic statement is that women are good whenever thay take care of men. You think they are definded by us as men. You think the "queen of the house" is there to serve the man by cooking, taking care of the children, etc., meanwhile the "king of the house" eats its meals, once in a while plays with the children and watches football or go out with friends. I'm sorry for you dude but you, mentally live like in the 40s or 50s and it's going to be really difficult for you to find a woman who can stand you in this days. Sincerely, I'd be really sorry for the woman who engages with you, you are the kind of man that ashames our gender with your victorian age dogmatism.
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rodbogey
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 12:12 am
Green Witch wrote:
Ronfg wrote:
to be the queen of the house.


Advice from a wise woman to all women: "Beware of men who wish to put you on a pedestal, it usually leads to them lighting a fire at your feet"


Sorry to all of you guys 'cause I'm catching up on this thread a little bit late.

That's a really good point Green Witch. It can be all explained by power. That pedestal some of the men build for women usually shows the willingness for a master-slave relationship. It's like they say "you are in a pedestal because of me, then you owe me". And it is also very interesting that the men that usually drive crazy for fragile women like the stalker that started this post are usually the ones who become aggressors, rapists and so on. I sincerely don't know why there still are men who think like this guy. It's simply insane!
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rodbogey
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 12:32 am
Ronfg wrote:
Okay! I will stop here. It seems we are running into endless debate.
Though, it is correct to say I have valued the traditional way of family.
I suppose u r all females, and thus, all attacking me because I pointed out that I believe in traditional family, which is disterbing to modern females.


Do you happen to have asked yourself why is that disturbing for most of modern-age-smart-woman? Because knowledge evolves, because nothing stays one way forever. Because women have come to realize that, in spite of all the dogmatism that power institutions have put in human heads for ages, they are able to decide whatever they like or dislike, that they are able to decide whether to have children or not, to cook or not, to do the dishes or not. Those coices can't be made in a traditional family because it has specific roles for both women and men. Modern males and females -especially the ones that have had the chance of getting higher education- understand that our views regarding the family should evolve, that in the modern ages the traditional family is changing for mutiple forms of inter-relation, and that critical thought of the intitutions that the society has built will lead us to be free people.

PS. I have an advice for you if you're into reading essays -I guess you're not because of the way you think, but just in case-: read Michel Foucault so you can get an interesting insight on how society is configured and why do humans tend to give credit to stupid dogmas. Plus, if you're in college, a philosophy class wouldn't do you any harm.
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rodbogey
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 12:41 am
Ronfg wrote:
Okay, if u can't handle all those works, then just say home and take care your family. If don't wanna do the house works then don't get married. How is that?



That's stupid. Has taking care of a family's responsabilities by both parties -husband and wife- ever crossed your mind? I feel really sorry for you dude, you're going to have a very tough life if you continue to have those old fashined thoughts.
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rodbogey
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 01:04 am
justa_babbling_brooke wrote:
Ronfg wrote:
OKay brooke! Let's imagine for a second that I am your husband. I wil pay all the bills; I will earn enough money (enough) to pay for our necessity; I will raise our children together because I believe this is the duty of both party. I will fix and maintain everything which requires man to do.
However, I will want u to cook the meals and clean the house. that's all I want from u. And of course, I will demand some honesty and true respect, and most importantly love.
How would u respond to it?


I don't respond well to demands. Smile

HOWEVER - If I were the stay at home mom - and you did all of the above things, then of course I would cook and clean. BUT not on demand. :wink:


I have a question for you brooke. In that hipotethycal situation, wouldn't you want to go out and work, learn and develop proffesionally, other than develop only as a housewife that cooks and cleans? I mean, wouldn't you turn down his offer? 'Cause this landscape he's painting for you seems very comfortable -you wouldn't be worried about the bills, for example- for the first couple of years. But what about afterwards, when everything in your life were monotonous? Wouldn't you regret the deal?
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rodbogey
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 01:16 am
Ronfg wrote:
okay OKay brooke, then u onlt do the cooking. That's all. Nothing else. u do whatever u want during rest of the time.
GEEEEEEEZZ!!!
I will work, pay bills, maintain home improvements, look after children, clean house, do the shopping, and whatever, besides cooking. Now, r u satisfied brooke?



Your problem is that you think you're the master. You think you're like the director of the orchestra. That's why no modern thinking woman will ever marry you. You seem condemned to lonesome.
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rodbogey
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 01:26 am
Ronfg wrote:
Okay I am sorry! "LET,"- I used the wrong word perhaps then. Please try to understand the language difference first.
Then, I should just say Authority, is this the word u want to hear? U have the full authority! I just have it-naturally, not because I let u have it.
I will never look down on woman who is cooking for me.


First you used "LET" and then you used "COOCKING FOR ME". Dude you can't avoid unconscious slips . You continue to think your wife should be your slave and you don't even notice it. And this is not about language boundaries, this is about what the words that you use say for you. They just unveil you as the master wannabe. That's why the women on this forum will never agree with you.
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rodbogey
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 01:42 am
Ronfg wrote:
Well of course those were true 'til u guys started saying rub my feet and all.


Is it only me or is it dumb a man that complains about a hot woman asking him to rub her feet?
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smog
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 01:48 am
pwnt
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rodbogey
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 01:54 am
Well I finished reading this thread. I must say I read the dumbest replies in the history of a2k and I think we all know who did they came from.
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smog
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 02:04 am
Dude, stop insulting me, all right. I'm just trying to put that other guy in his place. Why you gotta hate? Damn.
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rodbogey
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 02:43 am
smog wrote:
Dude, stop insulting me, all right. I'm just trying to put that other guy in his place. Why you gotta hate? Damn.



I was talking about the guy that started this post. Sorry for the misunderstanding
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smog
 
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Reply Sat 12 Mar, 2005 02:56 am
Heh, no worries. I was only kidding. That's what I do. No one here takes me seriously.
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