Need your valuable advice guys!!!

Key word in my response to him was "Mom." IF I were a stay at home Mom and my husband were out working hard all day - that would be different.

As I told him later on though - once the kids were in school, I would be back in the work force and he would be back to cooking and cleaning right along beside me.

Of course - to lay it ALL out on the table.......even IF I were staying home with the very young children - he would still need to give me a break. Some time to myself, as taking care of a house and kids is no little job. But I would try and wait for the weekends for that. :wink:

Talking to Ron - was like talking to a brick wall.

Ok, I got you. I really think that women have to go out and develop professionally. If they want they can spend some time at home only when the kids are not school aged. But then it's way better for them and for the relationship to work outside from home. At least that's really important for me when it comes to relationships.

If you and me continue this gender issue discussion, we would probably get into politics. There are a lot of things that u don't understand, and there are a lot of things that I, as a foriegner in this country, don't understand as well. But, I have been living here for a while, and I am starting to see what you see. When I compare my views with your views, I see that mine is way much better than yours.
Anyway, what do u care! I am just an another goddamn foreigner to you. Though, if u r smart, u will understand.
Remember this: my views are from place I was born and grew up. most of the relationships last forever there.

Here??? NO, right?

So you think that a relationship that lasts forever is better than one that doesn't. I don't think so. I've seen relationships lasting forever in which someone -usually the woman- is unhappy because he/she has to stand whatever the partner does. They follow moral conventions that tells them that relationships have to last forever. That's so not true. you can have a greart relationship that, after some time, could be over simply because people take separate paths. Relationships do not have to last forever, they do not have to follow the rules of religion or traditional views because both the world and the human's behavior is in constant change; relationships have to be a contract between two people that choose to spend time and enjoy to be together respecting each other's freedom, when that's over, relationships HAVE to be over. You can't measure the success of a relationship based upon time, you'll understand that once you have a more wide background in this field.

Oh and just one more thing -I know you weren't directing your post to me but I'm free to point out my views since this is a public forum-:Please stop playing the smartass by using phrases like "when I compare my views with your views, I see that mine is way much better than yours", or "There are a lot of things that u don't understand", or "if u r smart, u will understand". Because we -the ones that disagree with your odfashoined, reasonably and historically unsubstained views- are not beneath you because we think different. Come one dude, you're a kid that doesn't even know how to handle the emotions and think on stalking, unlike any real grown up, a girl that happens to be not interested in you whatsoever. Please, stop playing the smartass with us.

Politics?



Ok.....I will give you that, Ron. This whole discussion would never have gotten this far if you were not so hell bent on trying to tell me that women should be "commanded" - "coerced" - "controlled". That has nothing to do with you being from a different country. The thing of it is - I love the different cultures. I find them fascinating. A person is a human being no matter where they were born at.

But a woman should not be a slave to anyone. And I can't stand controlling men. Been there done that and it has given me a GREAT distaste for any man that thinks I was born to serve him. And what you are saying is that I should either stay home and do nothing but take care of the house/husband/kids and IF I do so chose to go out and work ...I can -BUT, I best get my hinney back in that kitchen with a baby on one hip - and a vacuum cleaner close by. That it is beneath you to lend me a hand. BULLSHIT!



I'm glad you see it that way ....after all, you are entitled to your views and the ways of your country. Even though I could say the same thing to you ...that my views are much better than yours. But we could argue till the cows come home and you won't change my mind - just as I will not change yours. Your views are fine in your country. Just don't expect me to embrace them in mine.



Excuse me???? Now you are telling me how I THINK and how I FEEL??? I guess that just goes along with your belittlement of women, eh?



Good for your country. So you are saying that because men CONTOROL women and keep them "in their place" ...... divorce is low. WOW. Lucky women. :wink:

Ron ........ this is not about who is right and who is wrong. Each person be they male or female has a right to think for themselves. I am telling YOU that when I get married it will be a partnership. NOT some arrangement whereby I am controlled by some man. I will provide my husband with the BEST of me just as I expect him to do the same for me. We will work together .....play together ..... laugh together ....cry together........and grow old together. And hopefully at the end of each day we will look forward to each others company because we find pleasure there. I find it very hard to conceive a woman looking forward to a man coming home and making her feel imprisioned, the moment he walks in the door.

And through it all ......if my husband and I do things right - someday when we do grow old........we will still give each other butterflies. We will look back on our life and smile , because we have many happy memories .

Keep your views, Ron. Just as I will keep mine. After all, it is BOTH our rights to have them.

I am speechless now.
So, u just have to keep fighting for your own beliefs eventhough it is false, huh? Would it do any good to u in the long run?

Do u just want me to say u r completely right, and I give up, and consequently I will follow your beliefs?

Fine by me!

Just remember this: would it do any good to u in the long run?

"Ok.....I will give you that, Ron. This whole discussion would never have gotten this far if you were not so hell bent on trying to tell me that women should be "commanded" - "coerced" - "controlled". That has nothing to do with you being from a different country. The thing of it is - I love the different cultures. I find them fascinating. A person is a human being no matter where they were born at. "



"But a woman should not be a slave to anyone. And I can't stand controlling men. Been there done that and it has given me a GREAT distaste for any man that thinks I was born to serve him. And what you are saying is that I should either stay home and do nothing but take care of the house/husband/kids and IF I do so chose to go out and work ...I can -BUT, I best get my hinney back in that kitchen with a baby on one hip - and a vacuum cleaner close by. That it is beneath you to lend me a hand. BULLSHIT!"


So if u think so, why is this gender role is so big issue in this country, and not in my country?

In your country women are not allowed to think. So I guess that is why it is not an issue. You men use them as your little slaves. It's all they know and I feel sorry for them.

And yes, Ron........I will continue to fight for what I believe in as long as there is a breath in me.

Good night.......I am going to bed.

Poor guy! As someone said he's going to learn the hard way.

"In your country women are not allowed to think. So I guess that is why it is not an issue. You men use them as your little slaves. It's all they know and I feel sorry for them. "

Not allowed??? hehe!
Possibly u r now thinking of some mid-east stricted society.
I am not from mid-east again, and, place where I am from, unlike mid-east, or what u r imagining right now, has got nothing to do with allowing, letting, and authorizing.

Anyway, Sweet dreams brooke, see ya later

What country are you from, Ronfg?

Ronfg - why are you so upset because people think that your country has anything to do with your bizarre opinions about women?

After all, it would be much better to you.

Without it, main problem is your head - you weren't brainwashed, you are not from opressive society...

You are chauvinist by your own choice.

Ron
Your attitude may be acceptable in your country, but you're not in your country, are you?
If you want to live by the rules of your country, then go back to your country because you will go nowhere fast with those ways in the country you're in.
No one here is insulting your culture, but we are not going to your country trying to tell people how to live either.
We don't share your beliefs in our countries and we don't appreciate anyone pushing their culture on us.
It's not a matter of right or wrong, it's a matter of respect. We don't tell you how to live in your country, and we don't appreciate being told how to live in ours.
Since you are no longer in your country, you'll have to learn to live by the cultures of the country you are in or you will be terribly lonely.

Read the whole thread, Ron, and feel deeply sorry for you. You have set yourself up for a miserable life, if you stay in the US. In this country, no one will ever think of you as anything other than a bigot, a chauvinist, and a fool.

After the first few pages of the thread, I knew you were not American, not just because of your use of the language, but because no American male would dare espouse such idiotic and outdated views of women... he would know he was in for deep trouble from the women around him.

I have to agree with Montana's last post, Ron. If you want to cling to your outdated, misery-making beliefs, go back to your own country where you will not be criticized for them. Your beliefs will not be accepted or condoned in the US, period. Ever. So either keep your views to yourself, or go somewhere else where they might be accepted.

Oh, and this IS my real picture...

This is my real picture too.

While I agree with all posters but Ronfg here, I am not so ready otherwise to wish he go back to his country of origin, wherever that is. First of all, I am inclined to doubt his views are totally representative of the males and females of whatever country he immigrated to the US from. And secondly, he is young and he may modify his views in time, that is possible.

As I said before, I think your views, Ron, leave you missing the richness that comes from looking at people's roles in life in a more open way.

OKay, ya all can call me dumb a** or whatever.
I am writing to prove that you all were wrong.
I took her on date! I took her on second date!

Was there chloroform involved?