Kids in cages; how does anyone defend this

@Kolyo,

Kolyo wrote:

People will believe any narrative that makes their alpha dog seem like he's "not that bad a guy". At the end of the day, that's what they want to think, and no matter how many facts get in their way, that's what they WILL think.

The nice thing about conservatism is, facts don't get in our way. Facts are our friends.

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@layman,

Don't bring God into this. Jesus said he will spit you out of his mouth. You are one of the least Christian people I have ever encountered.

The Bible says we will know true Christians by their fruit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, self-control.

That ain't you dude.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

A large number of people...liberals and conservatives, Christian leaders and airline stewardesses, stood up and said "this is wrong".
... and Trump backed down. This was a week when American stood strong.

Trump never opposed changing the policy.

All you did was force him to change the policy in a manner that is likely to fail and blow up in your face instead of changing it in a way that is likely to actually succeed.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

[Trump never opposed changing the policy.

Exactly, and he said so all along. But Max and his cheese-eatin homeys aint never gunna let no truth get in the way of their lyin narrative.

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@layman,

Which reminds me...

Max, are you EVER going to apologize for lying when you claimed other people were liars?

Yes or no?

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

This week Americans showed they had a conscience in spite of Trump's bluster. A large number of people...liberals and conservatives, Christian leaders and airline stewardesses, stood up and said "this is wrong".

The "fact" those people will remember is that trump is a decent guy who learns from his mistakes and eventually does the right thing.

The story his base will cling to is that trump wanted to break up those families until those pesky liberals got in his way.

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@oralloy,

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All you did was force him to change the policy in a manner that is likely to fail and blow up in your face instead of changing it in a way that is likely to actually succeed.

It wasn't just me, it was a pretty broad part of the American public from Franklin Graham, to airline stewardesses, to Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham, to Catholic bishops, to Melania Trump and Laura Bush.

This Trump policy offended a lot of Americans from all parts of society.

That is why he was forced to change the policy. Not even the president can ignore the conscience of the American people. I still think he is going to **** it up again.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Not even the president can ignore the conscience of the American people. I still think he is going to **** it up again.

Just fess up, eh, Max? More from another thread:

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The Democrats appear to be deadset on sabotaging any attempted solution to the "family separation" problem:

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Sen. Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader from New York, is adamant that Trump can end the family separations on his own and that legislation is not needed.

After falsely claiming that Trump was "solely responsible" for the problem and could easily fix it all with a "phone call," the failing NYT is now bitching that his executive order (which Trump himself knows is skirting the law) is "illegal."

Nothing will satisfy them, short of completely open borders. Now they're also complaining that Trump's order will only serve to keep kids in detention longer, and arguing that it should be rescinded.

The whole "Oh, look at the poor children" hand-wringing has merely been a subterfuge designed to advance their TRUE agenda, i.e., expanding their voting base by importing foreigners illegally.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

That is why he was forced to change the policy.

He was already willing to change the policy.

The only thing you forced him to do is change it in a manner that is likely to fail and blow up in your face.

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@oralloy,

Are you aware that Trump is not a dictator? He is a democraticly elected official. The Democrats are not loyal subjects of some monarch. They are the democraticly elected opposition. The Democrats represent a significant portion of the American people. They are supposed to block Trump initiatives that are unpopular with their constituents.

Your suggestion that Democrats fall into line with the dear leader is misguided. As an American, I want Trump to fail in immigration. That doesn't mean I want him to fail at everything... where I agree with his goals I want him to succeed; his efforts in North Korea is a prime example of this.

A good president understand that he succeeds or fails based on his support from the American people. He is serving me... I have no obligation to serve him. And, where I agree with him he will have my support.

In this issue, Trump failed. And yes, in this issue that makes me very happy.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

As an American, I want Trump to fail in immigration...In this issue, Trump failed. And yes, in this issue that makes me very happy.

Even though you are wrong in your assessment of Trump's failure, I'll give you credit for finally fessing up to your true agenda.

No lefty wanted Trump to solve (what they disingenuously tried to frame as) the 'family separation" problem by simply dealing directly with the kids. They didn't want an executive order which alleviated the kids' separation problems. All they really wanted was to try to force him to retreat from his "zero tolerance" policy and return to the dangerous and failed "catch and release" policies of Obama. Those policies were tantamount to the open borders law they want enacted (but which they'll never get from voters).

They failed. And now they're pissed.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Are you aware that Trump is not a dictator?

Yes.

Are you aware? You are the one who insisted that this policy change be carried out via executive order instead of with legislation.

maxdancona wrote:

They are supposed to block Trump initiatives that are unpopular with their constituents.

You claim to be for letting children stay with their parents.

Therefore it was pretty silly of you to refuse to work with the President to pass legislation that would let children stay with their parents. If the courts strike down Trump's executive order, we will be right back to separating children from their parents.

maxdancona wrote:

That doesn't mean I want him to fail at everything... where I agree with his goals I want him to succeed;

You seem to agree with Trump's move to let children stay with their parents. Yet you've worked to ensure that it is vulnerable to being struck down by the courts.

maxdancona wrote:

And, where I agree with him he will have my support.

Except for those times when you work to undermine your shared goals.

maxdancona wrote:

In this issue, Trump failed.

His zero tolerance policy remains in effect does it not?

The only thing you might have made him fail at, is a change that you claim to be in favor of.

maxdancona wrote:

And yes, in this issue that makes me very happy.

You'll be happy if the courts strike down Trump's executive order and we go back to separating children from their parents???

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@oralloy,

This whole unpleasant episode started when the Trump administration drafted and instituted a new "zero tolerance" policy. You still refuse to accept that the Trump administration bears the sole responsibility for this policy. They invented it. They implemented it. They own it.

You seem to think you are a mind reader. You aren't a very good one. For the record, I would not be happy if family separation continues. I think I already made that clear.

I would support a law passed that provides for humane detention of families together.. provided it didn't contain other thing I oppose. The idea that I have to accept Trump's agenda in order to get this law is ridiculous.

Trump is there to serve me.... not the other way around.

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If only Obama was president, separating families at the border would be ok again—unless you’re Bernie.

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-stop-separation-immigrant-children-families/

Asking children as young as three to represent themselves at hearings is a shameful miscarriage of justice that cannot be allowed to stand. Families deserve fair treatment and our compassion, not a process rigged to expose them to danger. The cruel and inhumane imprisonment and deportation of Central American refugees who have been fleeing violence must end. The president should enact a moratorium on these raids as soon as possible.

“The arbitrary separation of families and the possible deportation of Wildin Acosta, a young teenager who fled Honduras after a gang member threatened to kill him; the Bangladeshi and South Asian asylum seekers currently in corporate prisons who are on hunger strike; and the pending deportation of Ladislao Padilla-Ochoa, a father who has lived in Tennessee for almost 20 years are wrong. They must be reunited with their families.

“We need an immigration system that unites families, not one that tears them apart.”

Sen. Sanders has previously called on the Obama administration to reassess its immigration enforcement initiative and extend Temporary Protected Status to families who have fled violence in Central America. He has introduced legislation that would eliminate quotas for the number of immigrants held in detention and ban private prisons, and cosponsored legislation to guarantee due process for border refugees. Recently, he joined a letter calling for transgender detainees to be protected from abuse, unreasonable strip searches, and sexual assault while in U.S. custody.

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@Lash,

This has nothing to do with jailing infants separately from their parents... It's just another "Thanks Obama!" brought to you by the extreme right. You should know better than parrot them.

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@Olivier5,

I don’t have occasion to hear what extreme right people say, unless I read it here.

I read Bernie’s admonition to the Obama administration about their policy of family separation and deportation.

Why do you try to act like Obama didn’t have a policy of family separation and child deportation?

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Here’s what Meth Lab for Cutie, a Dem Soc Muslim chick had to say:

meth lab for cutie

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I love Barack Obama because he spent eight years doing deportations and drone strikes regardless of the law, but when it became apparent that his successor was going to be a guy who would do all of that but even worse, he suddenly turned into Uatu the ******* Watcher

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The lefties/progressives are the ones who are sick of the double standard.

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Here are some pictures from Obama-era detainment centers.

http://amp.dailycaller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-immigration-detention-facilities/?__twitter_impression=true

I’m glad changes are being made now. Too bad nobody cared about what was happening during the 8 years of Obama’s tenure.

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

This has nothing to do with jailing infants separately from their parents... It's just another "Thanks Obama!" brought to you by the extreme right. You should know better than parrot them.

Pretty sure she gets paid to parrot them.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I don’t have occasion to hear what extreme right people say, unless I read it here.

Lash wrote:

Here are ...

http://amp.daily caller.com/2018/06/19/photos-obama-imigration-detention-facilities/

(I broke the dc link)

https://archives.cjr.org/feature/the_great_right_hype.php

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With its conservative tone and story list, The Daily Caller reads more like a twenty-sixth Fox News than New York’s storied gray lady.

The Caller has carved out a cozy corner of the web in its short life. It’s a place for conservatives to read about the latest liberal scandal and the latest movements in the GOP presidential field.

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