Kids in cages; how does anyone defend this

Exactly what do you think one should for forced to "sacrifice" to end this "zero tolerance policy" that Trump enacted?

Exactly what do you think one should for forced to "sacrifice" to end this "zero tolerance policy" that Trump enacted? What is a fair political price for keeping kids from being traumatized by being separated unecessarily from their parents.

If you want to end a policy that is hurting kids, it is going to cost you... Is that really what you are saying?

Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz torched the American Civil Liberties Union in a new op-ed for The Hill on Tuesday. For Dershowitz, a liberal lawyer who served on ACLU's national board early in his career, it pains him to see how the organization has become a bastion of partisan politics.

"The ACLU is no longer a neutral defender of everyone’s civil liberties," he writes. "It has morphed into a hyper-partisan, hard-left political advocacy group."

Dershowitz regrets how the group has officially strayed from its original commitment to nonpartisanship. Dershowitz recalled the ACLU's glory days, when it was committed to defending core civil liberties and was made up of Democrats, Republicans, liberals and conservatives. After all, freedom of speech is for everyone. How times have changed.

"Today, the ACLU wears only one shoe, and it is on its left foot. Its color is blue. The only dispute is whether it supports the progressive wing of the Democratic Party or its more centrist wing. There is little doubt that most board members today support the progressive wing, though some think that even that wing is not sufficiently left."

Trump is not the victim here. He has all the power of the presidency and he is responsible for this zero tolerance policy that is at the root of this outrage.

Aren't you one of the people who are decrying the victim culture?

How is Trump a victim here?

Trump.. has all the power of the presidency and he is responsible for this zero tolerance policy that is at the root of this outrage.

These are unrelated. Trump has responsiblility for his actions. The Democrats have full responsibility for theirs.
You are trying to say that the Democrats are responsible for what Trump did.

Do you notice how I am taking Oralloy seriously?

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Actually he is, the Democrats offered him money for his wall. He refused to compromise.

Evidently it was not a bill he could sign. They should try again, and this time come up with something he can sign.

So using the same logic, is Trump responsible for not having the money for a border wall because he refuses to negotiate with the Democrats?

What physical barrier or gun toting nut was preventing him from signing it?

The problem is that it's impossible to use logic in discussions with him.

President backs House immigration bills that 'solve' family separation crisis

The White House announced that Trump had endorsed legislation negotiated between GOP leaders and moderate Republicans that promises to "solve the border crisis and family separation issue by allowing for family detention and removal." White House spokesman Raj Shah said that Trump told lawmakers he was "with you 100" percent.

House Republicans have revised the compromise bill to include a provision loosening rules that now limit the amount of time minors can be held to 20 days. Under the legislation, children could be detained with their parents for extended periods.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., told reporters he was reaching out to Democrats for bipartisan backing, since the proposal would need to reach a 60-vote threshold to advance in that chamber.

But Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer of New York signaled that no such support would be coming, saying it already was in Trump's power to keep the families together.