Why I left the Democratic Party

@edgarblythe,

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I prefer that Trump prevail in this instance than to have the kind of war the world has been dreading.

I agree. I would think the whole world would agree.

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We may finally get proof for treason. It’s about time.

Criminals? Likely Clinton, Kerry, Obama, assorted Democrats.

The Iran deal was greased with bribes. Who’s surprised?

http://truthfeednews.com/bombshell-report-iran-threatens-to-expose-u-s-politicians-that-took-bribes-for-nuke-deal/

Our media refuses to report it. Check in on tweets by the Iranian foreign ministry.

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@Lash,

Looks like the swamp may be drained — by Iran.

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@revelette1,

As usual, you added your own spin to change what I said.

That’s what dishonest, emotion-driven partisans do.

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@revelette1,

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Take the McCain comment by the White House aide. Sanders has said the WH needs to apologize. You even questioned if the aide even said it.

There are a lot of ‘leaks’ by ‘unnamed sources’.

I don’t immediately believe everything that’s leaked is an actual leak. Sources need to stand behind their claims.

Remember that you and your ilk didn’t give credence to legitimate time-stamped emails by the Clinton campaign showing culpability in Trump’s election. Those emails weren’t even denied.

Your hypocrisy is showing.

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@Lash,

It doesn't matter whether someone said it or not. This is just another instance of liberal phony outrage.

No apology is warranted. If liberals want to rant and sputter, ignore them and let them rant and sputter.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

There are a lot of ‘leaks’ by ‘unnamed sources’.

I don’t immediately believe everything that’s leaked is an actual leak. Sources need to stand behind their claims.

.....unless it's a murder conspiracy theory about the Clintons, those are always true and don't require any evidence.

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@maporsche,

I suppose the President and Conway are upset because someone leaked a lie, but they didn't say it was a lie, they are just mad because someone leaked. Never mind what was said was in the worst taste possible and McCain deserves an apology from the WH. As usual they have rotten prioties and Lash is right there with them every step of the way. I am tired of her game.

Heads will roll

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Never mind what was said was in the worst taste possible and McCain deserves an apology from the WH.

Oh please. You must realize how silly this liberal phony outrage is.

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@oralloy,

Fine, if you find yourself with a fatal disease still participating in this message board, we will all just ignore you because you would be dying anyway, so your thoughts and opinions will be worth nothing.

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@revelette1,

I’m happy to be an equal opportunity critic. Did the Obama administration like leaks? How did you feel about those leaks? You seemed to REALLY hate the Hilary/DNC Wikileaks!! This Trump administration chick just made a rude joke; Wikileaks uncovered voter suppression and the open theft of the democratic nomination by the party you shill for.

Guess you’re just a partisan mouthpiece.
My ‘game’ is pulling back the curtain on establishment bullshit. And I see you.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Fine, if you find yourself with a fatal disease still participating in this message board, we will all just ignore you because you would be dying anyway, so your thoughts and opinions will be worth nothing.

Hardly comparable. McCain isn't participating in any Senate votes.

For your analogy to be comparable I'd have to be not still participating on this message board.

And if I were not posting any messages, I expect that people would indeed ignore my nonexistent messages.

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@maporsche,

I don’t sign on to any of that, but it’s worth considering.

I definitely know the DNC’s time-stamped emails that were never denied and their testimony in open court about their anti-democratic crimes against the people are fact. I can read their written plan about getting their paid journalists to promote Trump as a pied piper candidate so their shitty hated candidate might have a chance to beat him. I have evidence that the Clinton campaign hand-delivered Donald Trump to the White House.

I have evidence of that. So do you.

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@oralloy,

He may not be participating in any votes (but you never know, so don't count on it) but his voice is one a lot of republicans like Jeff Flake listen to. Why do you think he came up in the conversation at the WH?

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@Lash,

I am upfront about being a proud democrat but that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. The WH has not been denying the aide said what was reported. The aide already said she was going to apologize but she hasn't.

I don't imagine the Obama administration liked leaks. But if they had a similar situation I betcha they wouldn't have doubled down and blamed the leak instead of addressing the subject which was so offensive.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Why do you think he came up in the conversation at the WH?

Based on the leaked comment, I'd say they were counting votes for some kind of legislation.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

the subject which was so offensive.

You truly don't perceive how silly liberal phony outrage is?

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@Lash,

I have evidence that you did INDEED sign on for the Seth Rich stuff (and probably still do).

https://able2know.org/topic/388516-1#post-6431479
https://able2know.org/topic/317633-23#post-6425223
https://able2know.org/topic/355218-1546#post-6511328

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@Lash,

Article by Sanders in the Guardian. Do you agree with him?

We need to try to talk with Iran’s government, seek a better relationship with the Iranian people, and a more constructive role for Iran in the region.

Last week, Donald Trump made one of the most reckless moves of his presidency: withdrawing from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), also known as the Iran nuclear agreement. With this decision, the president discarded years of hard work by our diplomats, who had obtained an extremely rigorous set of restrictions and inspections guaranteeing that Iran would not obtain a nuclear weapon. He also slammed the door on a once-promising possibility of detente between the US and Iran.

It’s important to understand that the JCPOA is not just an agreement between the US and Iran, but one negotiated alongside our partners in the P5+1 – the UK, France, China, Russia and Germany – and endorsed by the United Nations security council. Trump’s withdrawal further deepens tensions with our most important democratic allies, France, the UK and Germany, who all continue to support the agreement and have consistently said that it is in their own national security interests to see it upheld.

Trump also rejected the advice of his own top national security officials like the joint chiefs chairman, Gen Joseph Dunford, and defense secretary, James Mattis, both of whom have repeatedly stated that staying in the agreement is in the national security interests of the US. Nuclear non-proliferation and national security professionals around the world share that assessment. Just as he has done on the issue of climate change with his withdrawal from the Paris climate accord, Trump has chosen to ignore the overwhelming expert consensus and sided instead with a small ideological faction, with disastrous consequences for our global security.

Withdrawing from the JCPOA also seriously harms the US’s ability to negotiate future non-proliferation agreements, such as one with North Korea. Why would any country in the world sign such an agreement with the US and make the tough concessions that any such agreement requires if they thought that a reckless president might simply discard that agreement a few years later?

To be clear, Iran is engaged in a lot of bad behavior, including backing dictator Bashar al-Assad’s war against the Syrian people, support for violent extremist groups like Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Palestine, and human rights abuses inside Iran. However, if we are genuinely concerned about these Iranian policies, as I am, this is the worst possible course. It will make addressing all of these other issues harder. Unfortunately, we heard no strategy from Trump when he announced his decision, just the usual bluster.

Bluster and Iran-bashing will not get us to a better future. We need to continue to try to talk with Iran’s government, seek a better relationship with the Iranian people, and a more constructive role for Iran in the region. Trump’s approach makes achieving those goals more difficult. It has already emboldened the regime’s hardliners, who are much more comfortable dealing with a hostile America than with a reasonable, peace-seeking one.

After 17 years of war in Afghanistan and 15 years of war in Iraq, the American people do not want to be engaged in never-ending wars in the Middle East. They do not want to drawn into a Sunni-Shia, Saudi Arabia-Iran regional conflict. But I am deeply concerned that that is exactly where President Trump is taking us. If anyone were inclined to dismiss those concerns, I would remind them that Trump’s newly installed national security adviser, John Bolton, wrote an article a few years ago entitled “To Stop Iran’s Bomb, Bomb Iran”. By withdrawing from the nuclear agreement, and making clear their goal of escalation, Trump and his administration seem to be creating their own excuse for doing exactly that.

We should remember that the road to the Iraq war did not simply begin in 2003. It was laid down brick by brick over a number of years with policy decisions that might have seemed relatively small at the time, but that ultimately led us to the worst foreign policy blunder in our history. The Iraq war had enormous unintended consequences that we are still dealing with today, and will be for many years to come. Indeed, one of those unintended consequences was the empowering of Iran in Iraq and elsewhere around the region.

It is folly to imagine that, having unleashed these problems through the misuse of military force, we can solve them in the same way. Yet President Trump’s bellicose speech last week clearly seemed to shift American policy toward the same goal of regime change that underlay the Iraq war. Real American leadership, and real American power, is not shown by our ability to blow things up, but by our ability to bring parties together, to forge international consensus around shared problems, and then to mobilize that consensus to address those problems. That is what the JCPOA did. Unfortunately, President Trump has now chosen to put us on a very different, more dangerous path.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/14/nuclear-deal-trump-america-war

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@izzythepush,

Oh, you know Sanders, he is so henpecked by democrats he has to say and write this stuff, but if he were free of the virulent press, he wouldn't. I bet Sanders would wish Lash would not use his name in such a way if he knew it, makes him seem like you should pay no attention to anything he says (or writes) because he doesn't mean it.

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