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ehBeth
 
  2  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 08:28 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

TPM

At other moments, Russian Twitter users glommed onto the far-right news of the day, including the conspiracy theory that murdered Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich had something to do with the stolen emails.



should we look back to see who was pushing the Seth Rich story?

it's an interesting little exercise

it really is easy to see who was open to the Russian stories
blatham
 
  4  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 08:32 am
Robert Costa, previously at WSJ and National Review and now at the WP, is a reporter who has long-time sources in the GOP. He's worth attending to.
Quote:
After Alabama, GOP anti-establishment wing declares all-out war in 2018

The stunning defeat of President Trump’s chosen Senate candidate in Alabama on Tuesday amounted to a political lightning strike — setting the stage for a worsening Republican civil war that could have profound effects on next year’s midterm elections and undermine Trump’s clout with his core voters.

The GOP primary victory by conservative firebrand Roy Moore over Sen. Luther Strange could also produce a stampede of Republican retirements in the coming months and an energized swarm of challengers.

It marked yet another humiliation for the Washington-based Republican establishment, particularly Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), whose allies pumped millions of dollars into the race to prop up Strange and reassure his colleagues that they could survive the Trump era.

Moore’s win, however, also demonstrates the real political limitations of Trump, who endorsed “Big Luther” at McConnell’s urging and staged a rally for Strange in Huntsville, Ala., just days before the primary. The outcome is likely to further fray Trump’s ties to Republicans in Congress, many of whom now fear that even his endorsement cannot protect them from voter fury.

And in the following quote, Sykes speaks to what I argued earlier...
Quote:
“It’s almost as if there is a compulsion in the party to nominate the most ‘out there’ candidate just to show you can, with no concern about what that means for the rest of the party,” Sykes said. “Republicans — and that means Trump, too — have unleashed something they can’t control.”
WP
Lash
 
  1  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 08:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I've never seen the word characterized that succinctly in one post. Many thanks.

I still think of liberal largely by the basic definition of the word here:
lib·er·al
ˈlib(ə)rəl/
adjective
1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
"they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people"
2.
(of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
synonyms: wide-ranging, broad-based, general
"a liberal education"
noun
1.
a person of liberal views.
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I like that a lot.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 08:34 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
should we look back to see who was pushing the Seth Rich story?
Could you, please? And demonstrate how you've done this?
maporsche
 
  4  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 08:39 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
should we look back to see who was pushing the Seth Rich story?
Could you, please? And demonstrate how you've done this?


I can think of one person here..... Rolling Eyes
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Lash
 
  0  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 08:51 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

It is actually less than I thought. Personally I don't think those Sander voters were true "progressives" if they could go from Sanders to Trump, knowing a republican president was going to get them a republican choice for the supreme court and a republican domestic agenda. Sure wasn't going to get them anywhere close to a $15 dollar wage or Medicare for all; much less free college. They must have been just all caught up in the hype rather than having any true cause.

I don't consider anyone a progressive who could vote for Trump, either, but anti-Washington sentiment is stronger in the US in my lifetime, and I've been paying attention. Bernie and Trump were strong in anti-Washington, anti-corruption rhetoric and plans. We cannot dismiss poor people who voted for the jobs hype/promise by Trump. Of course, xenophobia played a role with some. A love for politically incorrect jargon likely attracted some. I don't understand the disconnect between those seemingly appealing elements and the vessel they were presented in, but that's not for me to cipher.

You never really seemed to 'get' the Sanders movement, so I'm not too surprised by your dismissive statement.

If you see the changes Bernie Sanders and his supporters are making NOW, you'd have to admit there is a hell of a lot more than hype behind Bernie Sanders.
Lash
 
  0  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:09 am
@ehBeth,
Seth Rich's murder investigation has been stalled, stymied, and hushed.

I'm not satisfied.

I have no problem saying it.

Attempting to frame everyone who asks questions about Seth Rich, uses terms like limousine liberals, or cannot stand the Clintons, as Russian operatives or cloaked conservatives is a very transparent, cowardly way of hiding from full-on debate of ideas and facts. I think rational discussion is helpful to all of us, including me. I'm always open to better reasoning. Some other people here are, too. And then there are some who can't abide other ideas, and exert themselves to stop it.

Eh beth, scurrying out of the shadows with her "shall we go back and see" threats, is like some little operative, trying to dirty the water of honest, forthright discussion. She likes to try to get someone else to carry her water while she scuttles back to her corner.

Quote:
It's interesting to see who was open to Russian stories.


If you have something to say, say it yourself.
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blatham
 
  3  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:10 am
Steve Benen on Pruitt and the new Cone Of Silence Phone Booth
Quote:
The original defense from Pruitt’s spokesperson is that he needs a “secured communication area” because all federal agencies need something called a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF), where officials can review sensitive and classified materials.

And that might make sense were it not for the fact that the Environmental Protection Agency already has a SCIF.

Stepping back, the broader context suggests Scott Pruitt’s leadership of the EPA isn’t just regressive; it’s also a little creepy.

The New York Times recently reported, for example, that many career EPA officials now have limited access to the floor where Pruitt works. Before meeting with Pruitt, some employees have been asked not to bring their cellphones into his office, and they’re not supposed to take notes, either. The piece added that the Oklahoma Republican “is taking extraordinary measures to conceal his actions.”

And this was before we learned of the $24,570 phone booth.

All of this comes on the heels of reports that Pruitt now has an 18-member security detail – that’s not a typo – made up of armed personnel who guard him 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Some members of this security detail were responsible for investigating environmental crimes, but now they’re guarding the EPA chief directly.

In case this isn’t obvious, in the EPA’s 46-year history, we’ve never seen anything like this.
Benen
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cameronleon
 
  -1  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:15 am
@Lash,
That professor Brian Schaffner might be wrong.

When it was the election between Obama and Clinton for Democrat candidate against Republican Romney, Clinton fanatics who were the losers voted for Obama against Romney regardless of what.

The polls are based in what people says, not so in what people do when voting for a candidate. One can vote for Republican and say in an interview that he voted for Democrat.

At the end of the day, the reasons why people say they voted for a certain candidate won't justify completely the out coming.

My father is a Rotary Club member. By the rotation system for election of president in each zone, his name was selected for to be a candidate running for the presidency of the club in his zone. The other candidates were way up to be elected, two of the other candidates were the favorites, and my father's name was in the list, as I said, just because he had to be in the list anyway.

At the moment of electing, he decided to vote for himself, because he thought that no other member of his club will vote for him, and he didn't want to end with zero votes.

But, apparently, other Rotary members thought the same, to give their vote for him so my father won't end with zero votes.

My father became the president of the Rotary club of his zone. Lol

All those studies and blah blah blah about who voted for whom and why, those might be correct but not necessarily are the real answer to what happened.

I myself, at the last moment, let my hand to choose the candidate just by looking up the ceiling and play my hand in circle over the names, and make chance to decide the falling of my finger pointing one of them.

If someone asks me for whom was my vote, I will say any name of the ballot, and if a question "why" comes later, I can say, "hmm, I like her boobs... or I like his necktie so I will buy me a similar one later..."

I have no idea why losers insist in looking for excuses -to which they call "reasons"- to justify why their candidate lost the elections.

Face it, Donald Trump won the elections because he was a better candidate over Hillary Clinton. Donald Trump became elected president of the US regardless of all the fraudulent methods used by democrats in order to win the elections.

Now, democrats are publishing excuses after excuses looking for consolation for their lost, and they live in a world of fantasies believing in their own lies.





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ehBeth
 
  2  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Canadian liberal parties are both moderate leftist parties


perhaps in comparison to some in other countries, but in Canada the federal Liberal party is still right of centre though there has been a very very very tiny move toward the centre over the past 5 or 6 years. they hold nearly the same spot on the spectrum as our old Red Tories (the left end of the late Progressive Conservatives)
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revelette1
 
  3  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:21 am
@Lash,
Quote:
I don't consider anyone a progressive who could vote for Trump, either, but



Nothing Someone Says Before The Word But Really Counts - Game of Thrones 1x03 (HD)

blatham
 
  4  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:25 am
Swamp draining notes from all over
Quote:
In 1991, George H. W. Bush's chief of staff, John Sununu, was forced to resign in the wake of a specific kind of scandal: on multiple occasions, Sununu used government resources for his personal travel. The then-president first rebuked his top aide before eventually accepting his resignation.

When the story about HHS Secretary Tom Price's private-jet travel first broke, it appeared that this was a different kind of controversy because the Republican cabinet secretary's trips were strictly professional in nature. Politico moved the ball forward yesterday with a report that suggests Price actually mixed personal and professional interests while taking advantage of taxpayer-funded travel.
Benen
Jesus these people are despicable.
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maporsche
 
  2  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:28 am
@revelette1,
Exactly
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:36 am
@blatham,
google search - takes less than a second to get the results

"Seth Rich"+ able2know.org

(not posting the results as I don't want to lead anyone back to the Russian-based links, a2k's seo is too good - don't want to lend credence to this stuff)
Lash
 
  2  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:39 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Quote:
I don't consider anyone a progressive who could vote for Trump, either, but



Nothing Someone Says Before The Word But Really Counts - Game of Thrones 1x03 (HD)

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9yzL7BgIrI[/youtube]

That was so cute.
Do you eschew use of that particular conjunction?
No. You don't.
Do you chastise people for using but when you like what they're saying?
No. You don't.

But, it was a cute way of avoiding the substance of my comment. You're learning a multitude of avoidance strategies, so fitting in here pretty well.
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I don't consider anyone a progressive who could vote for Trump either. Period.

In other related news, anti-Washington sentiment is stronger in the US in my lifetime, and I've been paying attention. Bernie and Trump were strong in anti-Washington, anti-corruption rhetoric and plans. We cannot dismiss poor people who voted for the jobs hype/promise by Trump. Of course, xenophobia played a role with some. A love for politically incorrect jargon likely attracted some. I don't understand the disconnect between those seemingly appealing elements and the vessel they were presented in, but that's not for me to cipher.

You never really seemed to 'get' the Sanders movement, so I'm not too surprised by your dismissive statement.

If you see the changes Bernie Sanders and his supporters are making NOW, you'd have to admit there is a hell of a lot more than hype behind Bernie Sanders.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:42 am
Trump now uses a digital eraser, deleting older tweets = he is going to act as if his endorsement of Strange never happened.

More at WaPo
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:42 am
@ehBeth,
Oh, sorry. I misunderstood your intent (individuals "here"). But thank you. I'll look.
Lash
 
  2  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:47 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

hightor wrote:


But it was Seth Rich...
In Ukraine, a Malware Expert Who Could Blow the Whistle on Russian Hacking
NYT
There they go, wasting taxpayer money on this silly witch hunt — we know it was Seth Rich.

Seth Rich, you fools. And Hillary. And don't forget Benghazi.


You talk real big for someone who has NO PROOF.
I will believe the election was influenced by Russians when someone shares evidence that it is so. Why do you act as though people should be ashamed to withhold judgment prior to evidence? That's crazy.

Meanwhile,... According to a new report at The Nation, forensic experts and former national security advisers have quietly gathered over the last several months to examine the breach and they have determined the DNC email hack heard ‘round the world was conducted from within the DNC.

The report says that "forensic investigators, intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed are now producing evidence disproving the official version of key events last year. Their work is intricate and continues at a kinetic pace as we speak."

The group found that "there was no hack of the Democratic National Committee's system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else."

The report continues, "Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC's system."
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/when-is-a-russian-hack-not-a-hack-evidence-suggests-dnc-email-hack-was-an-inside-job/article/2631267


Maybe, it was DNC employee and Bernie supporter...(wait for it)...SETH RICH!!!
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izzythepush
 
  4  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:49 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

It was directed at the person who claimed that the term was nothing but a right wing ax against liberals; therefore, obviously a brilliant clue that I must be a right wing operative, probably posting from Kiev.


That's ridiculous, if you were a right wing operative in Kiev you'd be better informed.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Wed 27 Sep, 2017 09:53 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
I still think of liberal largely by the basic definition
Quote:
The adjective is from Old French liberal, from Latin liberalis (“befitting a freeman”), from liber (“free”); it is attested since the 14th century. The noun is first attested in the 1800s.
(source: wiktionary)

A Liberaler ("liberal" [noun] in the meaning of 'supporter of a liberal party') was first printed in German in 1819.
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