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What should I think about my husband and his internet porn?

 
 
Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 08:31 am
Tanbear wrote:
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
Kristie wrote:
well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If he expects her to be ok with it, he should be ok with it too. But I think she should tell him this, not just do it out of revenge and malice.

Just an observation.


So two wrongs make a right?

It isn't the porn use that bothers me it is the obvious attempt to hurt her partner. I am not condoning what the husband has done... it has obviously hurt her and she is mad... but trying to hurt him back is only going to add more pressure on an already strained relationship.


Interesting how every possible allowance, every possible civil right is to be extended to porn viewing spouses.Could someone please tell me please what rights do we lowly human cum rags otherwise know as wives have in this situation?

I believe people have a right to watch/read whatever they like.. that right ends where other people's bodies begin. Dance with the one who brung ya ! if that 22 yr old hottie on your monitor gave you a woodie, then finish off with her and leave me alone please.Getting all huffy cause a woman won't jump on your porn inspired erection like you're doing her some sort of favor is insulting to say the least.

Personally I'd rather be cheated on, at least there's some honesty involved there instead of all of this "oh my porn viewing doesn't have anything to do with you" when it very obviously does.


If you are being treated like a "cum rag" your husband is the problem, not the porn. Any husband who would treat his wife that way is a sorry excuse for a man. But that is just my opinion. Face it. Men are turned on by the visual. If you think that before the porn problem, his hard on was never caused by something other than you, you are kidding yourself.

Don't take this as I am "allowing" your husband to do this to you or any other woman for that matter. But I guess what you're saying about cheating is that any man who can't get it up anymore like he did when he was 20 should cheat on his wife rather than find some means of arousing himself so he can enjoy sex with his wife again. Whether it be porn or meds. I guess you are saying men who use Viagra are pigs too because they are using something other than their wife to get hard. Correct me if I am wrong here.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 08:40 am
Please note also that while I do not condone the behavior that many men display while using porn (lying to their wives, making them feel unloved and unwanted) I think that the problems associated with porn are more often than not related to something else. Like the reason for this thread in the first place. It was stated in the opening post that her husband wanted sex all the time and it "bugged her". Well, what else did she want him to do? Porn or find someone else. The problem needing to be addressed first in this situation is why doesn't she want sex with her husband. Can they find a happy medium where both are satisfied sexually? Is some porn viewing ok or none at all?

I honestly feel very sad about the situations people present here because so many of them have underlying problems that have got to be resolved before the relationship can continue and heal. I really hope that there is some resolve in these situations. Whether it be divorce or counceling or whatever. No one deserves to be unhappy but we are each responsible for our own happiness. If you are not happy, take action to get happy. No one else will do it for you.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 08:42 am
<Just to lighten the mood, and I swore I'd stay out of these threads>

"If a woman tells you she's twenty and looks sixteen, she's twelve. If she tells you she's twenty-six and looks twenty-six, she's damn near forty." -Chris Rock

Isn't the world more complicated than many folks think? Smile I'm with Kristie on the issue that it's the husband that is the problem, not the porn.

It amazes me that this is such a hot topic. Reading through the countless threads regarding husbands and porn, I have to think that a lot of women just aren't willing to accept the fact that they have a crappy husband. They prefer to rail on about the porn 'addiction'. At the end of the day, some people just aren't meant to be together, for whatever reason.
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Tanbear
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 08:54 am
Kristie wrote:
Tanbear wrote:
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
Kristie wrote:
well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If he expects her to be ok with it, he should be ok with it too. But I think she should tell him this, not just do it out of revenge and malice.

Just an observation.


So two wrongs make a right?

It isn't the porn use that bothers me it is the obvious attempt to hurt her partner. I am not condoning what the husband has done... it has obviously hurt her and she is mad... but trying to hurt him back is only going to add more pressure on an already strained relationship.


Interesting how every possible allowance, every possible civil right is to be extended to porn viewing spouses.Could someone please tell me please what rights do we lowly human cum rags otherwise know as wives have in this situation?

I believe people have a right to watch/read whatever they like.. that right ends where other people's bodies begin. Dance with the one who brung ya ! if that 22 yr old hottie on your monitor gave you a woodie, then finish off with her and leave me alone please.Getting all huffy cause a woman won't jump on your porn inspired erection like you're doing her some sort of favor is insulting to say the least.

Personally I'd rather be cheated on, at least there's some honesty involved there instead of all of this "oh my porn viewing doesn't have anything to do with you" when it very obviously does.


If you are being treated like a "cum rag" your husband is the problem, not the porn. Any husband who would treat his wife that way is a sorry excuse for a man. But that is just my opinion. Face it. Men are turned on by the visual. If you think that before the porn problem, his hard on was never caused by something other than you, you are kidding yourself.

Don't take this as I am "allowing" your husband to do this to you or any other woman for that matter. But I guess what you're saying about cheating is that any man who can't get it up anymore like he did when he was 20 should cheat on his wife rather than find some means of arousing himself so he can enjoy sex with his wife again. Whether it be porn or meds. I guess you are saying men who use Viagra are pigs too because they are using something other than their wife to get hard. Correct me if I am wrong here.


No,what I am saying is that if my husband finds the prospect of sex with me to be so unappealing,my age, body appearance so unenticing that he needs to resort to looking at 20 yr porn stars before rushing into our bedroom,I'd prefer that he not bother. Same goes for vigra. I don't need or want mercy sex, thanks but I'll pass, he's free to get his needs met elsewhere and if thatt's not okay he knows where the door is.

He has the right to do whatever he wants.. but I retain the rights to my body, sorry if that idea bothers porn lovers here.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 09:40 am
Laughing
It's funny that you generalize me as a "porn lover". I don't particularly enjoy porn but I also am a realistic person. I know a lot of people do.

You are right; your husband doesn't have unlimited access to your body and you are free to do whatever you want. Just don't complain that your husband doesn't want sex with you when you make no attempt to meet him half way. (unless you have and I've missed that. If so, statement retracted with apology) Then again, I don't know you or your husband and he might just be a crappy husband. Either way, if you aren't happy, leave. Why wait for him to cheat on you and then deceide he wants a divorce?
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 09:42 am
cavfancier wrote:
<Just to lighten the mood, and I swore I'd stay out of these threads>


I swore them off too. Don't know why I came back to this one. Punishment I guess. :wink:
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Tanbear
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 09:58 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
I want to do this with as much respect as possible...especially since several of the women who disagree with me here are among my favorite cyber friends...

...however...

...any woman who thinks she is beautiful, sexy, and interesting enough so that "her man" will be so enthralled by her that he will never need further stimulation to obtain a working hard-on and to derive the sexual release a protracted, satisfying orgasm provides...

...is simply deluding herself.

Helen of Troy didn't meet that criteria; Elizabeth Taylor in her heyday didn't; Lana Turner, Marilyn Monroe, Jennifer Lopez, Jessica Simpson, Jessica Alba...none of them met it.

NO WOMAN DOES! NO WOMAN EVER WILL!

Eventually, the men initially stimulated by them, cease to be stimulated to the degree necessary for the male function.

In the past...men turned to other women to deal with this.

Presently...luckily if the cards are played right...they turn to chemicals or porn.

The fact that you cannot turn on a television set these days without seeing an advertisement for products that will enable men is no accident. Drug companies are not spending millions of dollars advertising stuff that doesn't sell. And the resaon it sells is not because the shyt tastes good...but that it is needed!

You women who want to make a big deal of the porn...go ahead and do so.

No matter what...the guy will go back to the porn.

You have a choice.

Make it as uncomfortable as absolutely possible for the guy. Let him feel as much guilt about it as you can possible produce. Try as much as possible to see that he enjoys the experience as absoluely little as possible. You can insure that the only way he can indulge himself is by lying and going behind your back. And you can be as certain as you can be of never trying to understand it...or to take advantage of it for your own sexual fulfillment.

Or you can go with the flow...be tolerant and understanding....and derive whatever advantage you can from the situtation.

There is absolutely no difference between the two choices except that one will help make your relationship and life more enjoyable...and one will turn it into a living hell.

Good luck with your decisions.



Are you purposely ignoring the other options ?

imho if he no longer finds me enticing enough to "function" without the use of outside stimulation he's perfectly free to seek his pleasure at his computer or at the local bar or whatever floats his boat... he just doesn't have the right to act as if he's doing me some sort of favor by lowering himself enough to sleep with me.

If the best I can hope to do is the options you've outlined above I say thanks I'll pass, I'd rather divorce then spend decades having to pretend to be grateful for mercy sex. Why should both of us be miserable ? better to split up and find people we're actually physically attracted to enough to have sex with.

He can watch all the porn he likes, strip clubs? lapdances ? no problem ! banging that hot coed at his office ? no problem..expecting me to act all happy and pleased at the information that he finds me so undesirable,so unattractive that he has to take drugs or stare at porn for an hour in order to try to work up enough iinterest to have sex with little old me ? HUGE PRPBLEM.

Btw, right now I am treating him EXACTLY as he has been treating me and for some odd reason he's not happy with that.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 10:11 am
Tanbear wrote:

Why should both of us be miserable ? better to split up and find people we're actually physically attracted to enough to have sex with.


Definitly. I think that if you aren't happy you should leave. This is one thing we both agree on.
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Tanbear
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 10:17 am
Kristie wrote:
Laughing
It's funny that you generalize me as a "porn lover". I don't particularly enjoy porn but I also am a realistic person. I know a lot of people do.

You are right; your husband doesn't have unlimited access to your body and you are free to do whatever you want. Just don't complain that your husband doesn't want sex with you when you make no attempt to meet him half way. (unless you have and I've missed that. If so, statement retracted with apology) Then again, I don't know you or your husband and he might just be a crappy husband. Either way, if you aren't happy, leave. Why wait for him to cheat on you and then deceide he wants a divorce?


dear my husband doesn't want sex with me after spending half the night watching porn, what it means is that he's too lazy to use his own hand to obtain relief. His approaching me has nothing to do with any desire for me or anything at all to do with any of my needs.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 10:25 am
THEN LEAVE.
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Tanbear
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 10:47 am
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
THEN LEAVE.


Why can't I simply treat him as he does me ? what's the problem with that?


I find the idea that we ladies are supposed to accept and be grateful for any erection our husbands point our way totally outragous. Frankly, the idea that he finds me so undesirable that he's got to get outside stimulation in order to have sex with me to be a total turn off.I don't want sex under such onditions.

My husband doesn't like how I've been treating him even though it's the exact same way that he's been treating me,sorry but that's not fair, nor is it reasonable, sex in these circumstances does nothing but make me feel like
total crap.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 10:56 am
Tanbear

I don't want to be unfeeling...

...but...

...I think you have much larger problem that need tending than what your husband does or does not do.

You are not going to get the kind of help you need here in an Internet forum.

I would suggest professional help.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 10:56 am
Tanbear wrote:

Why can't I simply treat him as he does me ? what's the problem with that?


I find the idea that we ladies are supposed to accept and be grateful for any erection our husband point our way totally outragous. Frankly, the idea that he finds me so undesirable that he's got to get outside stimulation in order to have sex with me to be a total turn off.I don't want
sex under such conditions.

My husband doesn't like how I've been treating him even though it's the exact same way that he's been treating me,sorry but that's not fair, nor is it reasonable, sex in these circumstances does nothing but make me feel like
total crap.


That's complete and total nonsense.

If you are so unhappy why would you stay there and continue to be unhappy? Just to make him unhappy too? That is a childish response that does nothing but create more problems and misery. If that is what you want then by all means stay there and be miserable.

I just hope you don't wake up 10 years from now and realize you squandered the last chance you had at being happy because you wanted revenge. Then where are you?
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 10:57 am
Tanbear wrote:
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
THEN LEAVE.


Why can't I simply treat him as he does me ? what's the problem with that?


I find the idea that we ladies are supposed to accept and be grateful for any erection our husbands point our way totally outragous. Frankly, the idea that he finds me so undesirable that he's got to get outside stimulation in order to have sex with me to be a total turn off.I don't want sex under such onditions.

My husband doesn't like how I've been treating him even though it's the exact same way that he's been treating me,sorry but that's not fair, nor is it reasonable, sex in these circumstances does nothing but make me feel like
total crap.


I find the idea that ladies who's husbands treat them like crap think its ok to treat the men the same way instead of just leaving is totally outrageous. If you find it so appalling the way you are treated, how can you treat someone else that way? You aren't any better than he is if that is your attitude. Just leave. It will at least allow you to leave with some dignity.
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Jackal
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 11:36 am
Understanding men instead of resenting them...
What amazes me is that women, who are certainly the smarter sex, still haven't figured out what makes men tick.

Two things ladies: food and sex. I think men are still at our base very primal in our needs.

Although we may admire the female form, most men don't want sex with a 20 year old office coed. They want it with their wife. However, marriage is a long time to be together, and the normal 10-minute quickies over the course of a lifetime get old very fast.

Instead of blaming and being mad at the men, understand where they're coming from. We want love and affection from you (as you want from us), but we also want passion, excitement, and lust - WITH YOU!!! I'm not just talking about quantity, but QUALITY. It takes effort and imagination, but is so worth it. Unfortunately, most women (and some men as well) take the attitude that the level of sex they provide should be good enough, and refuse to compromise on it. After a while of this, the husband turns to other outlets. Then, the wife gets offended and mad but still don't compromise, the husband gets mad at that and retreats further into porn and the cycle of resentment begins.

If women understood this, they'd have us eating out of their hands. My wife and I have gone through waves of this. During the high times, I find myself looking forward to coming home after work, helping with chores, doing whatever I can to show her how much I love her. During the low times, I find myself annoyed, resentful, less willing to help, etc. Men's sexual satisfaction tends to affect every other aspect of our lives as well. Women can be blind to this or understand it and use it in their favor.

TANBEAR - have you ever sat down with your husband and talked calmly about your desires, fantasies, and shared them with him? Have you ever asked him for his? Men ARE MORE THAN WILLING to make yours come true, because its a WIN-WIN for us. Nothing turns me on more than my wife in ecstasy. All we're looking for is that attitude in return. I'm not suggesting you degrade yourself - just open your mind, relax and enjoy it more.

There's an old, quite funny, but very true saying:

"Men weigh sex's importance in their marriage at about 10% - unless they're not getting any. Then, its 90%."
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 11:46 am
Nice post Jackal... Welcome to A2K.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 11:50 am
Re: Understanding men instead of resenting them...
Jackal wrote:


TANBEAR - have you ever sat down with your husband and talked calmly about your desires, fantasies, and shared them with him? Have you ever asked him for his? Men ARE MORE THAN WILLING to make yours come true, because its a WIN-WIN for us. Nothing turns me on more than my wife in ecstasy. All we're looking for is that attitude in return. I'm not suggesting you degrade yourself - just open your mind, relax and enjoy it more.


Jackal, what I don't get is why more women don't realize that they actually need to talk to their husbands instead of hating them secretly behind their backs. As a woman, I know women like to talk; about their day shopping, the neighbor, their stupid co-worker, the horrid assignment they are currently working on, what happened to the girl at the post office when she went out on her first blind date....you know what I mean. Smile But when it comes to the most important things in life, so many women can't (or won't) talk about it! I don't get it. How else is he going to know what's wrong if you don't tell him? I don't know about you but my husband is not a mind reader. Hell, sometimes I even have to spell things out for him more than once :wink: .
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 12:16 pm
Not exactly sure why I think this fits here, but...



HOW TO SPEAK ABOUT WOMEN AND BE POLITICALLY CORRECT:


1. She is not a BABE or a CHICK - She is a BREASTED AMERICAN.

2. She is not a SCREAMER or MOANER - She is VOCALLY APPRECIATIVE.

3. She is not EASY - She is HORIZONTALLY ACCESSIBLE.

4. She is not DUMB - She is a DETOUR OFF THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY.

5. She has not BEEN AROUND - She is a PREVIOUSLY ENJOYED COMPANION.

6. She is not an AIR HEAD - She is REALITY IMPAIRED.

7. She does not get DRUNK or TIPSY - She gets CHEMICALLY
INCONVENIENCED.

8. She does not have BREAST IMPLANTS - She is MEDICALLY ENHANCED.

9. She does not NAG YOU - She becomes VERBALLY REPETITIVE.

10. She is not a SLUT - She is SEXUALLY EXTROVERTED.

11. She does not have MAJOR LEAGUE HOOTERS - She is PECTORALLY
SUPERIOR.

12. She is not a TWO BIT WHORE - She is a LOW COST PROVIDER.




HOW TO SPEAK ABOUT MEN AND BE POLITICALLY CORRECT:

1. He does not have a BEER GUT - He has developed a LIQUID GRAIN
STORAGE FACILITY.

2. He is not a BAD DANCER - He is OVERLY CAUCASIAN.

3. He does not GET LOST ALL THE TIME - He INVESTIGATES ALTERNATIVE
DESTINATIONS.

4. He is not BALDING - He is in FOLLICLE REGRESSION.

5. He is not a CRADLE ROBBER - He prefers GENERATIONALLY DIFFERENTIAL RELATIONSHIPS

6. He does not get FALLING DOWN DRUNK - He becomes ACCIDENTALLY
HORIZONTAL.

7. He does not act like a TOTAL ASS - He develops a case of RECTAL
CRANIAL INVERSION.

8. He is not a MALE CHAUVINIST PIG - He has SWINE EMPATHY.

9. He is not afraid of COMMITMENT - He is MONOGAMOUSLY CHALLENGED

10. He is not HORNY - He is SEXUALLY FOCUSED.

11. It's not his crack you see hanging out of his pants....It is MALE
CLEAVAGE
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Jackal
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 12:34 pm
Thanks for the kind words. I agree with your post also. I think the reason is because hating them is easier. Talking, especially about this issue, and especially when there's already tension is VERY tough.

Even when you're getting along ok, I think discussing fantasies and desires can be tough. You want to convey these things to your partner (in the hopes of making them happen), however many are scared their spouse will think your desires are weird, perverted, etc. When that happens, walls on that subject go up immediately and are very hard to take down again.

Everyone knows most men are not big talkers. If the wife gets it started, its easier for the man to open up on this topic, as we're usually afraid to offend.

The problem I've seen is, women are the warmest, kindest creatures on the planet. They are also the most judgemental and quickest to close their mind on issues. No offense, just my opinion. Smile I think many men (including myself) are scared of women on some level - you just can never predict what their reactions are going to be. As I said before, I think men are much easier to guage reactions from.

Until someone comes out with the "mind-reading" pill you talked about, women will always own this part of the playing field. Maybe that's God's way of keeping the field level as well!

BTW - is that your real photo? Shocked
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 12:39 pm
Jackal wrote:


BTW - is that your real photo? Shocked


I wish Very Happy
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