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Christian Democrats?

 
 
cannistershot
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 02:49 pm
princesspupule wrote:
cannistershot wrote:
Princess that was a reply for PKB I haven't learned how to pull the quotes and add them to my post so by the time I post 3 others have gone between.


Doesn't mean you can't answer this:
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cannistershot wrote:
That isn't even a consideration to me, I don't see many religious organizations or religion in general backing Kerry or Bush. I know that smaller organizations back one or the other in public but that is another thing. As far as my feelings on this I don't know, I just think that any organization that operates in a tax free enviroment should be very careful.


1) Which "that?

2) Have you looked for religious organizations or religion in general backing Kerry or Bush?

3) How would "religion" back a candidate?

4) "I know that smaller organizations back one or the other in public but that is another thing." Then how is it relevent to this debate topic?

5)"As far as my feelings on this I don't know, I just think that any organization that operates in a tax free enviroment should be very careful," meaning what, exactly?
... Unless you are just speaking without knowing what you are saying... Idea


1) This is very strange,if you want the meaning of "that" look it up.
2) I have looked.
3) Got me on that one, stupid wording on my part.
4) That was only relevant to my reply to PDK.
5) Meaning that in my opinion organizations such as the Southern Baptists and others need to be careful in who they back, not saying that they aren't just my opinion.
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 02:56 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
cannistershot wrote:
Freeduck this is my point about turning ugly like I have said in a few of my posts I am not trying to prove anything to anyone except myself. I am in GA, part of the bible belt and in my area (and others that I have lived in) the main body of the church tends to lean (ok lean over) to the right. I am not saying that democrats are not christians, that is you trying to put words into my mouth, I am asking if they are out there. I have been into enough threads to see that we have a lot of democrats that belong to A2K and wanted to see the response. Since it seems to make people mad for me to tally the response vs. views I will keep that to myself.


Well, I've seen many threads that are uglier than this one, if that's any consolation.

If you really want to know if christian democrats exist (and you should have your answer by now) why not consider groups that typically vote democratic. Let's try hispanics. Most of them are catholic. Blacks. Almost entirely christian. The thing is that it should be obvious that there are many democrats that are christians, and many christians that are democrats.


I think that Hispanics voting more one way or the other is something else that depends on your location. My mind has been changed (like I said before) about some things since I started this thread, and I agree that the wording was wrong on the post that started it all, but I still haven't heard much from the A2K christian democrats. Do you think that the people who post here are even between right and left? If so I would expect a higher "yes" turnout, if it leans more to the right then that changes everything.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:01 pm
I don't really know for sure. I know that it's easy to classify someone as a democrat on this forum if you notice that they espouse views that are aligned with the democratic base. But then you may find out later that they are independents, libertarians, or anarchists.

You can create a poll, if you'd like a better measure. I think something like that was done before but I don't know what the results were. Keep in mind that many people prefer privacy about things like party affiliation and religion.
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:04 pm
Yes.

The belief that Christians are all republican by virtue of the abortion issue is naive at best. It casts a shadow on the complexity and multiplicity of potentially religious issues in this election, and any election.

As Rev. Jim Wallis, editor of Sojourners magazine (a Christian magazine that disavows the politicization of Christianity), explained: "When poverty has risen each of the past three years -- that's a religious issue. The war in Iraq -- that's a religious issue. Taking care of the environment -- that's a religious issue...This behavior by the Religious Right -- ordaining George W. Bush as 'God's candidate' -- is theologically outrageous. How did the faith of Jesus come to be known as pro- rich and pro-war? They've tried to hijack our faith -- it's time to take it back."

I should also remind all posters and readers that the last evangelical Christian president prior to Bush was Jimmy Carter, a democrat. :wink:

It's time for this country to reject the irresponsible bundling of religious and political issues. You may not support abortion (and I do not), but that does not mean that you're forced to accept everything else that comes out of this administration.

Don't let politicians use your faith to control you!
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:06 pm
Welcome, Steppenwolf!
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:08 pm
Thank you freeduck.
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:10 pm
Thanks, sozobe!
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:14 pm
Steppenwolf wrote:
Yes.

The belief that Christians are all republican by virtue of the abortion issue is naive at best. It casts a shadow on the complexity and multiplicity of potentially religious issues in this election, and any election.

As Rev. Jim Wallis, editor of Sojourners magazine (a Christian magazine that disavows the politicization of Christianity), explained: "When poverty has risen each of the past three years -- that's a religious issue. The war in Iraq -- that's a religious issue. Taking care of the environment -- that's a religious issue...This behavior by the Religious Right -- ordaining George W. Bush as 'God's candidate' -- is theologically outrageous. How did the faith of Jesus come to be known as pro- rich and pro-war? They've tried to hijack our faith -- it's time to take it back."

I should also remind all posters and readers that the last evangelical Christian president prior to Bush was Jimmy Carter, a democrat. :wink:

It's time for this country to reject the irresponsible bundling of religious and political issues. You may not support abortion (and I do not), but that does not mean that you're forced to accept everything else that comes out of this administration.

Don't let politicians use your faith to control you!


Welcome Steppenwolf, and thank you for the yes reply. I think that I would use another example than Jimmy Carter since he now questions his religion openly. Sorry before asked, I read this in the AJC but I don't have the date of the article.
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:19 pm
Steppenwolf wrote:
Yes.

The belief that Christians are all republican by virtue of the abortion issue is naive at best. It casts a shadow on the complexity and multiplicity of potentially religious issues in this election, and any election.

As Rev. Jim Wallis, editor of Sojourners magazine (a Christian magazine that disavows the politicization of Christianity), explained: "When poverty has risen each of the past three years -- that's a religious issue. The war in Iraq -- that's a religious issue. Taking care of the environment -- that's a religious issue...This behavior by the Religious Right -- ordaining George W. Bush as 'God's candidate' -- is theologically outrageous. How did the faith of Jesus come to be known as pro- rich and pro-war? They've tried to hijack our faith -- it's time to take it back."


Sorry I posted too soon. I am not trying to set anyone up for a fall or to argue a point. I know that you are new to the thread and it is not the first time that I have seen the defensive response. I only wanted to post this to answer a question for myself, I have to say that I am happy to see so many christians from bith parties chime in so far.

I should also remind all posters and readers that the last evangelical Christian president prior to Bush was Jimmy Carter, a democrat. :wink:

It's time for this country to reject the irresponsible bundling of religious and political issues. You may not support abortion (and I do not), but that does not mean that you're forced to accept everything else that comes out of this administration.

Don't let politicians use your faith to control you!
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:22 pm
Steppenwolf wrote:
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Don't let politicians use your faith to control you!


It had not occurred to me that this was a problem. Most seem to be excessively paranoid about the religious controlling the politicians.
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:26 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Steppenwolf wrote:
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Don't let politicians use your faith to control you!


It had not occurred to me that this was a problem. Most seem to be excessively paranoid about the religious controlling the politicians.



I agree.
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:45 pm
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:53 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Steppenwolf wrote:
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Don't let politicians use your faith to control you!


It had not occurred to me that this was a problem. Most seem to be excessively paranoid about the religious controlling the politicians.


Oh? The political/religious dynamic is not so simple--why would one area of beliefs affect the other, but not vice versa? There must be a million historical examples of the merging of politics and religion, but we hardly need those to point to the shift in American religious views in recent history. Christian evangelists were once primarily pacifists and anti-death penalty, without any sort of nationalistic slant. Things are changing, and I, for one, would never assume that religion could affect politics, but political ideas could not infiltrate the church. This would totally contradict 2000 years of Christian history.
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:55 pm
Steppenwolf wrote:


You are right about Carter's questions but he did go on into more than that. You are also right about the fact that I don't have the article to back it up so I will shut up on that issue until I find it. I don't question anyones religion or beliefs depending on which party they belong to. Political strategists taking quotes out of context is the understatement of the century, but I think that the buck doesn't stop with them. The media, film makers and others do the same for a living.
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 03:57 pm
Agreed Smile
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 04:02 pm
Steppenwolf wrote:
Agreed Smile


I don't know how to react to that it has never happened to me before. Just kidding.
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 04:07 pm
Lol. It's shocking that two people can have different political views, and yet not want to kill each other.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 04:52 pm
And sometimes neither are even evil. Smile
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cannistershot
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 09:11 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
And sometimes neither are even evil. Smile


Good point.
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Einherjar
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 03:07 am
Cannister, if with this thread you were trying to determine the religious makeup of the democratic party, you would be better served by making a poll asking: "for Democrats only, are you Christian". Tallying wiews versus yes replies wont do since the site counts one wiew each time a person wiews the page. Besides, there are other people than democrats that frequent this site.
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