Welcome to A2K, Jens8611.
And thanks for your input - you'll certainly find other interesting topics here on A2K as well.
It's okay to kill kids in an illegal war, but abortion is worse?
ebrown_p wrote:McGentrix wrote:Also, you hardly hear any liberals complaining about abortion, slander of christianity or other major issues. They seem to choose party over religion.
You hardly hear of conservatives complaining about helping the poor, loving their enemies, enduring slander with grace, showing mercy, paying their taxes, turning the other cheek, not resisting the evil man, forgiveness, not judging others, serving God over money, loving their neigbors or peace-making.
Of course, a true Christian would be a socialist...
Since Christian conservative (with the word "conservative" denoting the American brand of conservatism)...is an oxymoron...
...I think the thrust of the question proposed in this thread is absurd.
Any Christian who is not a liberal...whether a Democratic liberal or a Republican liberal...
...is an insult to Christianity.
Jens8611 wrote:the answer is no:
There is no such thing as a christain Democrat. I know this from many issues, but one main one. Abortion. As a true Christian i see no way another Christian can justify killing a living soul. Our Father created us before we were in the womb, so its only logical we would have a soul in the womb.
As a college student studding biochemistry and genetics, i know that fetus (scientifically speaking) is not part of the womans body. The DNA structure of he fetus from conception is its own and not its mother's, so thus is its OWN ORGANISM. This new organism is genetically human. Add two and two together and you get murder of an individual human life in its most helpless form. The Heavenly Father commands that none should murder.
Sry I just preached there, but im 19 and passionate. But there lies my answer: there is no Christain Democrats because Democrats condone abortion.
First...allow me to quote EVERYTHING Jesus ever said about abortion:
Now...with that out of the way, I must ask you, Jens:
What is your point?
Jens,
Likewise there is no such thing as a Christian Repulbican. I know this because of many issues:
- Republicans support capital punishment (for vengence no less). Jesus specifically taught forgiveness (including for those who killed him) and against vengence.
There were two times when Jesus spoke about capital punishment. The first time he said "Let him without sin throw the first stone". The second time he said "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do".
- Republicans are against taxes. Jesus specifically taught to pay your taxes.
- Republicans are pro-war and preach hatred of those they call "terrorists". Jesus specifically taught love and forgiveness and non-violence.
- Republicans are against help for the poor. Jesus specifically said that we must help the poor.
So Jens. You are not the only passionate person.
There are two different versions of Christianity. There is American Christianity and Real Christianity.
American Christianity has little to do with anything that is in the Bible. They take little scriptures as they build up wealth, buy guns, support war, judge other people. They use the Bible to support a political movement that has little relevence to the life of Christ or the early Christians.
Real Christianity is built on the life and words of Christ. It emphasizes humility, it doesn't judge, it doesn't get angry or seek vengence. It supports the poor and is suspicious of the wealthy. It teaches love for one enemies and selling your possessions to give to the poor. It calls for peace making instead of war.
You are 19 Jens, and you are focussing on a political issue using rhetoric from a political movement that is "christian" by name only.
Real Christianity is something different altogether...
Sorry for being angry, but American Christianity disgusts me. It is perversion the true meaning of Christ.
What do you all think about the geographical difference? Meaning, christians in the south tending conservative and christians in other parts of the country tending liberal (no shame in that word).
Ok about 80 views and 4 yes replies.... not looking too promising.
What exactly are you looking for cannister, self-identification? Is there a need for each and every one of us to tell you again that yes, there are Christian Democrats? Or is the question 'are you a christian democrat?'.
Craven de Kere wrote:McGentrix wrote:Also, you hardly hear any liberals complaining about abortion, slander of christianity or other major issues. They seem to choose party over religion.
Come now, McGentrix. So do you.
I don't proclaim otherwise Craven. Politics is more important to me than religion.
I don't see the "again" I asked for christian democrats to speak up. I made 2 mistakes in my last post 300 views not 80 and I missed freeduck so 5 yes replies.
And yes the question is are you a christian democrat? Sorry that I didn't define "is" before hand.
You can't judge "views" vs. "yes" votes as there are
A) Many repeat views by the same people
B) Republican Viewers of this thread
C) Discussion on the thread with each new post being ounted
D) Wreck Watchers stopping by to see the damage, but who are quickly clicking out.
(Just to note a few of the possible reasons for a 300 count with only 5 yes)
Since when does being a christian make you ' right',or 'good'. Why does someones religious standing make any diffrence? Espically when it is about cristianity?
If republicans were completely commited to thier ' political leanings...' they wouldnt be republicans.
The republican party supposedly STANDS for and asserts the seperation of the church and state..
but . .... if the truly did that, there wouldnt be a republican party.
Oxymoron at its finest.
;-)
cannistershot wrote:And yes the question is are you a christian democrat? Sorry that I didn't define "is" before hand.
That wasn't the question that I answered.
Separation of Church and State, however, does not mean or imply devoid of religious belief. The intent is that religious belief not be able to dictate policy but it does not logically follow that religious belief is not a component of policy; i.e. tax exempt status for religious organizations, etc. Republicans can be (and most are) staunchly opposed to the government being able to establish or dictate religious beliefs or practices. Republicans are probably also more opposed to government interference with the free exercise thereof. It should not be presumed that a Republican cannot be true to Republicanism and at the same time be religious.
cannistershot wrote:And yes the question is are you a christian democrat? Sorry that I didn't define "is" before hand.
No need to define 'is'. Just so you understand there is a difference between asking someone if something exists and asking them whether they are, themselves, that thing. It comes in handy to understand this difference if you are attempting to use the responses in this thread to make a point.
I think it's pretty clear from all of the posts that there are many democrats who are christians.
It is interesting to come across this thread as I have spent the last week perusing my voter's guide.
I was fascinated to find in the arguments in opposition to Measure 36 (thats the Oregon measure to amend the state Constitution to ban gay marriage) a statement by the Society of Friends (aka Quakers) saying that they had been performing gay marriage ceremonies in their Church's since 1989.
The Quakers are also pacifists (Richard Nixon being a notable exception).
I would say that the Friends support a Democratic agenda, and they are no doubt Christian.
Freeduck, you need to go back and count the yes replies, I don't see the pretty clear results that you do. By my count so far over 400 views and 5 yes replies.
So by your count there are 5 people who have replied to this thread saying that yes, there are christian democrats. How many people said that no, there aren't? How many yes's do you need in order to conclude that there is such a thing as a christian democrat?
Again, you should go back and look at the question you asked.
I am a Christian and a Democrat and I support John Kerry. As far as the abortion issue goes. NO! I do not support abortion. I support a woman's right to choose. I support intervention. I support as a Christian being there for those who are considering abortion and doing all I can to impress the importance of the life they carry and the consequences of their actions. God still loves the sinner. HE HATES THE SIN! If you don't like the stand your party takes on an issue get involved in your party and work to change the stand on the issue. As a Christian Democrat I also know that I cannot force my values, my belief, my love of God upon any one who does not believe. Your comment about how a "Christian can justify killing a living soul" is flawed. If you truly believe this (as a Christian) then how can you support either candidate? Whether a "living soul" perishes from starvation brought on by poverty or war...whatever... it is a death brought about unnecessarily.
