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Christian Democrats?

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 07:46 pm
I think the question may have been posed because some Christians wonder how others reconcile their political beliefs with their Christianity.

I definitely think Christians beating each other over the head over these things is in poor taste--but I do understand the question.

Much is being made of Kerry's self-described faith (Catholicism) and his profound departure of it's tenets...
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 07:50 pm
Also, you hardly hear any liberals complaining about abortion, slander of christianity or other major issues. They seem to choose party over religion.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 07:53 pm
Lash wrote:
Much is being made of Kerry's self-described faith (Catholicism) and his profound departure of it's tenets...


I haven't seen much of that at all. Most of my spare time has me stuck in those publications (mostly online these days) that address the issues (46 and counting...issues, that is). So I'm surprised. Where are you seeing this?
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 07:54 pm
Lash wrote:


Much is being made of Kerry's self-described faith (Catholicism) and his profound departure of it's tenets...


Have you ever read the Bible? It contradicts itself all over the place. I could probably make an argment for either side of anything and cite scripture to back up my position. Of course, *I* am a Sunday School teacher, I can persuade even a baby to believe. :wink:

Now, who's up for some salvation? Surprised

Seriously, there isn't any real conflict of interest unless you plan to force unbelievers to believe rather than wait for them to come to Christ in their own good time... Totally in line with the Constitution, that.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 07:57 pm
I would agree with you there McG. I'm not a Christian and I happen to be one of the biggest defenders of the religion on the board.

My wife laughs at me because I'm not a Christian. She is always telling me "Baby you're so close, why don't you step over that line?" I just look at her and say, "it's the whole Jesus and rising from the dead thing, I just can't wrap my head around it."


From looking at my wife and some others I know, it seems to me that they are what a Christian should be. I see others who say they are Christians and just don't live their lives like they are Christians. I like to call them "store front Christians" It looks good in the window but when you get inside its all crap.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 07:58 pm
The differences between Democrat Christians and Republican Christians is the fundamentalism of so many Republicans compared to more progressive Democrats. Neither side is really thrilled with the other.
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 08:05 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Also, you hardly hear any liberals complaining about abortion, slander of christianity or other major issues. They seem to choose party over religion.


That may be true, but I have spoken out about abortion. (In the thread about the OK guy who said, "Death to abortionists!"?) Logically, I feel abortion is akin to murder, but it's legal. Therefore, under the admonishment to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and also as cited in Ecclesiastes, (paraphrased) it is better to be unborn than to be born into a godless household... and considering that most who get abortions are godless...

Slander of Christianity? I have never noticed that. Defaming dogma, yes, but slandering christianity? Can't think of any instances... can you supply some links to slander of Christians by other Christians in the name of democracy? Confused

It isn't a matter of choosing party over religion. It's being able to recognise that part of the tenets of being a U.S. citizen recognizes the separation of church and state... Idea

I was serious about leading any of you to say the sinner's prayer. Send me an email, or an IM through yahoo. I won't force anyone, but if you are looking for someone to lead you to Christ, I'll gladly do my duty. No jokes about that.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 08:07 pm
I've only seen one mention of Kerry's departure and that was a speech in which he said he believes life begins at conception. So there are others?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 08:39 pm
Re: Christian Democrats?
cannistershot wrote:
Is there such an animal as a Christian Democrat? Question

Yes.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 08:53 pm
Lash wrote:
I think the question may have been posed because some Christians wonder how others reconcile their political beliefs with their Christianity.

How do the Bush supporters reconcile his record of capital punishment and the Iraq invasion with their Christianity? Embryonic stem cell research is bad, but blowing up living breathing children is OK?
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PKB
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 08:56 pm
Christian (United Methodist to be exact) and a Democrat. Not a Liberal. A Democrat. Smile
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 09:15 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Also, you hardly hear any liberals complaining about abortion, slander of christianity or other major issues. They seem to choose party over religion.


You hardly hear of conservatives complaining about helping the poor, loving their enemies, enduring slander with grace, showing mercy, paying their taxes, turning the other cheek, not resisting the evil man, forgiveness, not judging others, serving God over money, loving their neigbors or peace-making.

Of course, a true Christian would be a socialist...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:01 pm
Tonight somewhere--the O'Reilly Factor maybe--was a spokesperson for Roman Catholics who are mobilizing against Kerry. It is not for his pro-war, pro-abortion, pro fetal-tissue research stance but because of his litmus test for judges which would essentially bar any Catholic or conservative Christian from appointment to a judgeship.

Revel and Doglover both claim to be Christian Democrats and very liberal ones at that, and maybe Montana but I'm less sure about her.

And Mesquite, most Christians base their convictions and ideology on the greatest good. It can make sense to have an ultimate penalty (execution) as the consequence for committing the most henious of crimes while believing it wrong to kill the innocent, i.e. a baby in the womb. No Christian is against fetal tissue research; but many are opposed to killing a baby to do it. One can rationalize that war is hell on earth and there is nothing to commend it, but it may be the only remedy for a greater evil.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:12 pm
ebrown wrote
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You hardly hear of conservatives complaining about helping the poor, loving their enemies, enduring slander with grace, showing mercy, paying their taxes, turning the other cheek, not resisting the evil man, forgiveness, not judging others, serving God over money, loving their neigbors or peace-making.


I'm not sure of your intent here. Are you commending conservatives? Or condemning them?

I believe statistics will show that it is conservatives who contribute the most to charity and who are also the largest philanthropists to found hospitals, universities, museums, excellent private/parochial schools, organize ongoing prison ministries, and in the past who staffed the leper colonies and other quarantined, and who went into the slums of Calcutta and Bangladesh to minister to the poorest people on earth. It is conservatives who founded and man the Salvation Army centers and private shelters and soup kitchens that are sometimes the only place the police have to take a person in need. The vast majority of the conservatives in these ministries are also religious.

The liberals gravitate toward other types of ministries and causes for the less fortunate--battered women's shelters, Planned Parenthood, abortion clinis, etc., but these will usually also be religious and Democrat. Smile
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:23 pm
Re: Christian Democrats?
cannistershot wrote:
Is there such an animal as a Christian Democrat? Question


Sunnofagun if it isn't an actual party! http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a6b1e2b7413.htm
Quote:

CDUSA a new nonpartisan, nondenominational political party with a social and economic philosophy that centers on the core principles of the Christian faith and pragmatism.

The CDUSA core international policy is proactive in establishing and supporting global cooperation of allied and aligned CD political parties that work at the political level for common international goals and political objectives.

The CDUSA subscribes to other political parties of like interests and objectives. A world of international political parties is necessary to temper the actions and prevent the hegemony or domination by a World Confederation of nuclear armed governments back by a loyal military - industrial - commercial hierarchy.

The CDUSA strongly supports the separation of church and state. We do not support the separation of faiths and states.

The CDUSA supports the global ecological vision and mission of the Clean Millennium Movement (C2M); and makes the C2M's objectives the foundation and essence of a world "ecological " platform.

The CDUSA in nondenominational and was established to ensure the well being and independence of all faith based peoples ana organizations and to encourage, support and protect their continued existence in a growing non-faith based pluralistic world.

The CDUSA campions and promotes innovation, free market forces and free enterprise, structed, tempered and guided by economic and social justice and the common good.

The CDUSA supports the world wide labor movement as a peaceful and necessary balance of economic power and influence and a mechanism for physical protection of the work force, quality assurance of products and economic justice.

The CDUSA supports a minimum of three major political parties in any democratic form of government. This is a pragmatic political position that prevents, reduces and/or eliminates the polarization and the inevitable dominance of the two party system. We presently have the common self interests, commercialized power sharing of a two party system. political systems is inherently monopolistic. The solution is a third "Checks and Balance" major political party which is a necessary and essential element of a democratic form of government.

The CDUSA is a non partisan political, nondenominational party; its' political philosophy is Christian faith based and can best be described as a social order based on religious freedom and "Pragmatic Christianity"... eliminate the root causes, prevent social problems " ...hate the sins...love the sinners.."

We are recruiting for State and county based CDUSA party leaders, CDUSA party members, CDUSA voters and CDUSA candidates to run in the 2002 elections.

We hope to be an organized cd party by the 2002 elections.

Q&A Action Center, CD-USA-FL-Hillsborough -Tampa, Florida

813-251-4669 [email protected]



And here I thought you were suggesting that one could not be both christian and democrat at the same time. Apparently this party is pro-socialism, and I'm for that... I may be more CD than purely D... I have long thought that our 2 party system is outdated... I shall have to investigate the Christian Democrat platforms of other countries. The things one learns via the internet...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:34 pm
Fascinating. A Christian-based movement promoting socialism is good, but a Christian-based movement promoting conservatism is bad (according to many on the left). This is going to be fun to watch if it takes off. Smile
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Einherjar
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:52 pm
Christian homogenity, baad, christian heterogenity, good. Christian unity, baad, christian dissent good.

It is nice to see the christians break lines, and think for themselves to some extent.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 12:16 am
Because some mentioned this, and with a few there seems to be the common ignorance of the world outsite the USA:

- there are no Christian Democrats in the UK,
- Christian Democrats are one of the (if not THE) biggest poltical movement (at the moment) in Europe,
- in Germany, we have Christian Democrtas ('Christian Democratic Union'), but not in Bavaria: there, this movement is called Christian Social Union. [The most conservative are the Bavarians (Catholic), while with the CDU the evangelical wing is a bit stronger and more 'liberal' than their Catholic counterpart.)

The EU-Commission ('cabinet') is in majority conservative - due to the fact of the majority of the Christian Democrats in the EU-parliament: 278 seats out of 732. [The Christian Democrats in EU are named European People's Party (Christian Democrats) and the British conservatives are -partly- a member of this group).
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 12:24 am
McGentrix wrote:
Also, you hardly hear any liberals complaining about abortion, slander of christianity or other major issues. They seem to choose party over religion.


Come now, McGentrix. So do you.
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Jens8611
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 12:46 am
the answer is no:

There is no such thing as a christain Democrat. I know this from many issues, but one main one. Abortion. As a true Christian i see no way another Christian can justify killing a living soul. Our Father created us before we were in the womb, so its only logical we would have a soul in the womb.
As a college student studding biochemistry and genetics, i know that fetus (scientifically speaking) is not part of the womans body. The DNA structure of he fetus from conception is its own and not its mother's, so thus is its OWN ORGANISM. This new organism is genetically human. Add two and two together and you get murder of an individual human life in its most helpless form. The Heavenly Father commands that none should murder.

Sry I just preached there, but im 19 and passionate. But there lies my answer: there is no Christain Democrats because Democrats condone abortion.
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