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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
Lash
 
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Sat 29 Oct, 2022 07:51 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Once we welcome Ukraine into NATO we should rebuild the Chervone-Pustohorod airbase. And base F-35 stealth fighters there.

It's been abandoned for 30 years now since the end of the Cold War, and there are now trees growing in the middle of the runway. But it can be rebuilt.

Chervone-Pustohorod is positioned perfectly for conducting airstrikes against Moscow.

You decry the deaths of innocent Ukrainians, but salivate to kill innocent Russians?
Lash
 
  -1  
Sat 29 Oct, 2022 09:08 am
Briahna Joy Gray on Democrats and Obama
https://youtu.be/1twQxxhI5j0
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Lash
 
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Sat 29 Oct, 2022 09:43 pm
Dennis Kucinich talks about the war, progressives, and the current American political situation.

Kucinich was run out of politics by the establishment for being too lefty.

https://youtu.be/xk40UKzbDrA
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oralloy
 
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Sat 29 Oct, 2022 09:57 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
You decry the deaths of innocent Ukrainians, but salivate to kill innocent Russians?

The ability to conduct airstrikes directly against Moscow does not mean targeting civilians. Airstrikes can be directed at military and government targets.

And the mere ability to conduct airstrikes does not mean that they will be conducted. NATO being poised to rain bombs down on Moscow might make Russia decide not to invade NATO in the first place.
Lash
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 06:25 am
@oralloy,
The US is the aggressor.

Excerpt:

The most critical events that have been airbrushed out of the West’s political narrative are the violation of agreements that Western leaders made at the end of the Cold War not to expand NATO into Eastern Europe, and the U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine in February 2014. Western mainstream media accounts instead date the crisis in Ukraine back to Russia’s reintegration of Crimea in 2014, and the decision by ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine to secede from Ukraine as the Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics.

But these were not unprovoked actions; they were responses to the U.S.-backed coup, in which an armed mob led by the neo-Nazi Right Sector militia stormed the Ukrainian parliament, forcing the elected President Viktor Yanukovich and members of his party to flee for their lives.
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https://progressive.org/latest/us-reaping-sowed-in-ukraine-benjamin-davies-220201/

Can you deny this happened?
Lash
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 06:38 am
https://mronline.org/2022/02/24/what-you-should-really-know-about-ukraine/

What you should really know about Ukraine

Excerpt:

As tensions began to rise over Ukraine, U.S. media produced a stream of articles attempting to explain the situation with headlines like “Ukraine Explained” (New York Times, 12/8/21) and “What You Need to Know About Tensions Between Ukraine and Russia” (Washington Post, 11/26/21). Sidebars would have notes that tried to provide context for the current headlines. But to truly understand this crisis, you would need to know much more than what these articles offered.

These “explainer” pieces are emblematic of Ukraine coverage in the rest of corporate media, which almost universally gave a pro-Western view of U.S./Russia relations and the history behind them. Media echoed the point of view of those who believe the U.S. should have an active role in Ukrainian politics and enforce its perspective through military threats.

The official line goes something like this: Russia is challenging NATO and the “international rules-based order” by threatening to invade Ukraine, and the Biden administration needed to deter Russia by providing more security guarantees to the Zelensky government. The official account seizes on Russia’s 2014 annexation of Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula as a starting point for U.S./Russian relations, and as evidence of Putin’s goals of rebuilding Russia’s long-lost empire.

Russia’s demand that NATO cease its expansion to Russia’s borders is viewed as such an obviously impossible demand that it can only be understood as a pretext to invade Ukraine. Therefore, the U.S. should send weapons and troops to Ukraine, and guarantee its security with military threats to Russia (FAIR.org, 1/15/22).

The Washington Post asked: “Why is there tension between Russia and Ukraine?” Its answer:

In March 2014, Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine. A month later, war erupted between Russian-allied separatists and Ukraine’s military in the eastern Ukrainian region of Donbas. The United Nations human rights office estimates that more than 13,000 people have been killed.

[…]

But that account is highly misleading, because it leaves out the crucial role the U.S. has played in escalating tensions in the region. In nearly every case we looked at, the reports omitted the U.S.’s extensive role in the 2014 coup that preceded Russia’s annexation of Crimea. Focusing on the latter part only serves to manufacture consent for U.S. intervention abroad.

The West Wants Investor-Friendly Policies in Ukraine
The backdrop to the 2014 coup and annexation cannot be understood without looking at the U.S. strategy to open Ukrainian markets to foreign investors and give control of its economy to giant multinational corporations.

A key tool for this has been the International Monetary Fund, which leverages aid loans to push governments to adopt policies friendly to foreign investors. The IMF is funded by and represents Western financial capital and governments and has been at the forefront of efforts to reshape economies around the world for decades, often with disastrous results. The civil war in Yemen and the coup in Bolivia both followed a rejection of IMF terms.
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It’s all about the Benjamins—and who is brutal and powerful enough to extract them.

You’ve been fed a load of horseshit like everyone else, with a truckload of anti-Russian propaganda to make your horseshit more palatable.

I don’t like that this is true, but it is.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 07:07 am
@Lash,
The Marxist view of the Ukraine - and thus the war there - is quite known here: the extreme left wing of 'The Left' promotes that as well: their "Communist Platform" also does not want "socialism light", which they believe the party has as its programme.
Lash
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 07:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
To the point: do you deny the US was largely behind the coup in Ukraine in 2014?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 08:00 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
To the point: do you deny the US was largely behind the coup in Ukraine in 2014?
I don't know if it is "the" point but certainly yours.

Yes, I do.

My question: how many persons do you know who took part in the Euromaidan uprising? Besides just following the Russian propaganda under Putin to portray the Euromaidan movement as an overthrow "financed" by the West, I mean.
Lash
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 09:25 am
Something Republican/Democrats (Demoblicans? Republirats? I think Demoblicans) and freethinkers have in common.

They’re being vilified by the establishment and their media mouthpiece.
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https://www.thewrap.com/gina-carano-shades-susan-sarandon-nazi-germany-quote-canceled/

Excerpt:

Earlier this week, Sarandon posted an image fo the following quote on her Twitter account, “It didn’t start with gas chambers. It started with one party controlling the media. One party controlling the message. One party deciding what is truth. One party censoring speech and silencing opposition. One party dividing citizens into ‘us’ and ‘them’ and calling on their supporters to harass ‘them.’ It started when good people turned a blind eye and let it happen.”

Carano’s previous comments, meanwhile, said, “Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views.”
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Same.
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revelette1
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 10:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
https://able2know.org/topic/223808-14#post-7230399

Quote:
I wonder if Chris Hedges would run
.

Quote:
Hedges hosted the television program On Contact for RT America from 2016 to 2022.[2][3]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hedges

Lash
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 10:11 am
@revelette1,
Hedges is a brilliant, Harvard educated, ordained minister, and a former global journalist who teaches in prison when he’s not researching news segments.

No one would make a better president.

Free thinkers were bullied and censored off of other American outlets—and many went to RT.

Shitlibs here have been propagandized to believe that can only mean one thing.

Tools for the establishment. 🤦‍♀️
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 10:51 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Hedges is a brilliant, Harvard educated, ordained minister, and a former global journalist who teaches in prison when he’s not researching news segments.

No one would make a better president.

Free thinkers were bullied and censored off of other American outlets—and many went to RT.

Shitlibs here have been propagandized to believe that can only mean one thing.

Tools for the establishment. 🤦‍♀️


Time for you to get back to Earth, Lash.

A while back you wanted Bernie Sanders to be the Democratic Party candidate...a guy who had no chance to win. But compared with Hedges...he is a certainty.

So you ever back anyone with even a slim chance to win?
hightor
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 10:51 am
@Lash,
Quote:
No one would make a better president.

I don't think the qualities which distinguish Hedges as a social critic would function particularly well for him as chief executive.
Lash
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 10:52 am
@Frank Apisa,
Not if they sell out the American people.
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Lash
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 10:53 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
No one would make a better president.

I don't think the qualities which distinguish Hedges as a social critic would function particularly well for him as chief executive.


I’d rather raise the standards for the office of chief executive than exclude excellent applicants.
hightor
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 11:24 am
@Lash,
I'd prefer people with a record of effective public service and administrative experience. One of the critiques of Obama (from the left) was that he governed more like a journalist than a chief executive. I don't see why a self-described anarchist would even be considered for the job.
Lash
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 12:38 pm
For anyone actually interested in facts, neighbor/former friend informs about DePape.

https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/pelosi-attack-suspect-was-a-psychotic


Excerpt:

And, as I discovered yesterday, DePape lived with a notorious local nudist in a Berkeley home, complete with a Black Lives Matter sign in the window and an LGBT rainbow flag, emblazoned with a marijuana symbol, hanging from a tree. A closer look reveals the characteristics of a homeless encampment, or what Europeans call “an open drug scene.” In the driveway, there is a broken-down camper van. On the street is a yellow school bus, which neighbors said DePape occasionally stayed in. Both are filled with garbage typical of such structures in homeless encampments. People come and go from the house and the vehicles, neighbors say, in part to partake in the use of a potent psychedelic drug, ibogaine.

Neighbors described DePape as a homeless addict with a politics that was, until recently, left-wing, but of secondary importance to his psychotic and paranoid behavior. “What I know about the family is that they’re very radical activists,” said one of DePape’s neighbors, a woman who only gave her first name, Trish. “They seem very left. They are all about the Black Lives Matter movement. Gay pride. But they’re very detached from reality. They have called the cops on several of the neighbors, including us, claiming that we are plotting against them. It’s really weird to see that they are willing to be so aggressive toward somebody else who is also a lefty.”

Not all of the news media missed DePape’s history of drug use, psychosis, and homelessness. CNN reported that a woman named Laura Hayes, who said she worked with DePape 10 years ago making hemp bracelets, said he had been living in a storage shed. “He talks to angels,” she said, and told her that “there will be a hard time coming.”

Another woman, Linda Schneider, told CNN and KRON4, that she got to know DePape around 2014 and that he was still homeless, living in a storage unit, and using hard drugs. “He (was) likely a mindless follower of something he saw on social media because I don’t think he had the courage to be part of any political or terrorist group,” said Schneider. “His drug use began again and he went off his rocker.”

But much of the rest of the news media, particularly local journalists who could have interviewed DePape’s neighbors, were swept up in the narrative that DePape was more like John Wilkes Booth, the fanatical but sane assassin of Abraham Lincoln, than John Hinkley, Jr., the mentally ill man who shot Ronald Reagan. DePape is much more like one of the hundreds of psychotic homeless people I’ve interviewed in recent years than the fanatical climate ideologues who I’ve been writing about in recent weeks.

Wrapped up in their own obsession with Trump Republicans, most journalists have missed the real story. David DePape is not a microcosm of the political psychosis gripping America in general. Rather, he’s a microcosm of the drug-induced psychosis gripping the West Coast in particular.
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Lash
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 12:40 pm
@hightor,
Obama governed like a mobster, like everyone since 1980.
Doing something distinctly different is long overdue.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 30 Oct, 2022 12:51 pm
A different story from another merchant of misinformation:

The Awful Truth: Paul Pelosi Was Drunk Again, And In a Dispute With a Male Prostitute Early Friday Morning.

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