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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 5 Feb, 2024 12:45 pm
@Glennn,
Don't be absurd.

At least they've got the decency to put it on late at night when most people are going to bed.
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vikorr
 
  4  
Mon 5 Feb, 2024 02:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I don't watch the news, so I have only seen limited amounts of news regardin the resurgence of right wing extremism. It seems to me that such groups are gaining in popularity around the western world. To me, Trump's popularity is a reflection of that.

I think this extremism is caused by several things;
- the growing divide between the rich and the poor
- the growing disrespect of government towards its constituency, where they look after the rich at the expense of the poor (this is a decades long trend. Search Whitehouse records for 'historic contribution to Federal tax revenue'
- the growing secrecy of government
- the growing use of outright lies by the government
- the growing surveillance of citizens by government

All of these things promote extremism. I see Trumps popularity is a result of his anti-establishment rants...ironically gaining him almost an iron grip of an establishment.

His rants seem similar in intent to Mussolini's tactics:

Quote:
Before Mussolini became prime minister, Fascist squads had used violence to kill, harm, frighten, and humiliate their enemies. After Mussolini became prime minister in October 1922, the squads were still important, but Mussolini could also then rely on the police to go after enemies like Communists, Socialists and Anarchists.

...thumping the Ministers’ bench with his tightly clenched fist to emphasize his points… he spoke with fire, passion and vehemence … Only force, he said, can decide between Fascism and the Opposition, and this force he now proposes to use.”

Attendees stood and applauded every sentence, and shouted “Vivo Mussolini! Vivo Fascismo!”
...which reminds me of the blind faith many in the US have in Trump, and his increasingly authoritarian speeches. I have little doubt that if he can, he will undermine the courts, law enforcement, and news to achieve outcomes he wants (he has already said he will go after his enemies)

My view is he means exactly what he says (another thing he does so differently from the establishment), so if he gets in, you know what he is going to do.
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Lash
 
  0  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 05:05 am
Looks like Britain has an Israel problem similar to that of the US.
‘No platforming’ for those who disagree with the all powerful Israel edicts.

Were they behind the public lynching of Jeremy Corbyn? 🤷‍♀️

https://youtu.be/mBmFa5lfTbE?si=FyrCCn1mn90kLiqA
izzythepush
 
  0  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 05:26 am
@Lash,
When you get your news from obscure sources it will be skewed.

The main news is about Prof David Miller winning a court case against Bristol University for unlawful dismissal due to his anti zionist views.

You're way off with jeremy Corbyn.

He stood down after a disastrous election result which had more to do with Brexit than anything else.

Corbyn made some bloody stupid mistakes, not meeting Hamas, that was something I agreed with, but other stuff.

What stands out above all are his comments on an antisemitic anticapitalist mural. Corbyn did not see the antisemitism,only the anticapitalism so he supported it.

That got the attention of Rachel Riley who caused a real stink.

She was the latest intellectual "hottie" on coundown after the divine Carol Vorderman was kicked out.

Riley was incredibly popular having been on lots of quiz/chat shows and the like and her intervention caused him a lot of trouble.

All this was before the election, but once the results came through he had no choice but to resign.
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Lash
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 05:49 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Our CIA appears to be threatening Wikileaks. Whistle blowers and honesty under attack by those in power who have something to hide. Which side are you on?

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/19/assange-strikes-back-at-cia-and-talks-trump-russia-and-hillary-clinton/

We know now that Hillary and Pompeo wanted Assange killed; cooler heads prevailed, but his life has been ruined, incarcerated largely in solitary confinement for a decade without a legitimate charge.

His story is coming to a head soon. Some decision about his future will be made.

His incarceration is seen to be by many as a vendetta by and for Hillary Clinton, who was unmasked as a corrupt, careless elitist who bumbled Trump into office by Assange’s reporting. Of course, when one government elitist is unmasked, they are all potential targets of the same type of reporting—and rally round like rats to cheese.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 06:05 am
@Lash,
Assange's incarceration has **** all to do with the Clintons.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 06:17 am
@izzythepush,
Who knows? There is also unbeatable proof that the earth is flat. But it's also being suppressed, according to trends on X formerly known as twitter by Hilary.

https://i.imgur.com/ImUW47cl.png

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Lash
 
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Tue 6 Feb, 2024 06:19 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

This power to censure and erase speech could be the mightiest weapon ever known if it is misused.

Lash
 
  -1  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 06:24 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I feel silly defending this small area of free speech when Google is reading my mail, selling pieces of it to corporations, and my government monitors key words in what I say here, to my family, etc, etc while killing children et al in the Middle East.

They are not the entity that should decide what can and cannot be said and heard.


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izzythepush
 
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Tue 6 Feb, 2024 06:27 am
@Lash,
The power to fetishise free speech has already fucked things up big time.
hightor
 
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Tue 6 Feb, 2024 06:48 am
@Lash,
April 19 2017?
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Lash
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 07:42 am
@izzythepush,
Obv I believe strongly that the opposite is true.
Exactly what I said I was concerned about in 2017 has happened.

Speech is a weapon to silence legitimate dissent.
Lash
 
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Tue 6 Feb, 2024 07:44 am
@izzythepush,
You’re wildly incorrect.
Lash
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 07:57 am
For passers-by:

https://www.npr.org/2016/08/17/489386392/julian-assange-sees-incredible-double-standard-in-clinton-email-case

Julian Assange Sees 'Incredible Double Standard' In Clinton Email Case

AUGUST 17, 20164:42 AM ET

Julian Assange says if the United States government sees him as a threat to national security, it should see Hillary Clinton as one, too.

In an interview with Morning Edition's David Greene, the founder of WikiLeaks called the Department of Justice's decision not to prosecute Clinton for handling classified information on her private email server an "incredible double standard."

Assange has been living in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London for four years to avoid extradition to Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning on suspicion of rape.

In a statement last month, FBI director James Comey said the FBI "did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws," but that the use of a private email server was "extremely careless." Comey advised the Justice Department that "no charges are appropriate in this case," and career prosecutors agreed.

Assange noted that, had a case proceeded, Clinton could have been prosecuted under the Espionage Act of 1917, which bans the disclosure of classified information to an unauthorized person "with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States."

Assange said in the past courts have found that a lack of intent to harm the United States did not absolve the accused of guilt.

"There has been an interpretation saying that it doesn't matter that you didn't intend to harm the United States, but they seem to have changed the standard."

In 2013, U.S. Army Pfc. Chelsea Manning was convicted of the Espionage Act after disclosing classified military information to WikiLeaks. Some have criticized the conviction, arguing Manning was a whistleblower, not a spy with intent to harm the United States.

In his NPR interview, Assange regarded the open disclosure of information with reverence. He referred to WikiLeaks' 11 million documents as a "rebel Library of Alexandria."

"I believe that the way to justice is education," Assange said. "By bringing out into the public domain how human institutions actually behave, we can understand frankly, to a degree, for the first time the civilization that we actually have."

As an example, he cited one of WikiLeaks' more recent publications: the 20,000 hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee. Those emails revealed that some senior DNC staffers had worked to promote the candidacy of Hillary Clinton over her opponent Bernie Sanders. Four DNC officials resigned in the aftermath, including its chair, Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Assange called the leak "a great journalistic scoop."

"That's a remarkable and important contribution to U.S. democracy by our sources and by WikiLeaks," Assange said. He questioned how other publications might have handled the information.

"What media organization who had received that information would not publish it? I think that's a real question. I would like to say the answer is no media organization would censor that material," Assange said.

FBI Turns Over Secret Clinton Email Documents To GOP Lawmakers
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But, he added, "I'm not confident that in fact all media in the United States would have published those emails," referring to what he called the partisan nature of the U.S. media landscape leading up to the election.

The potential source of the leaked material has intrigued some as much as its substance: U.S. officials have said they're "highly confident" the DNC hack was the work of the Russian government. Assange said he could not give any information to Greene about who his sources are.

"So far we have a perfect record of WikiLeaks having never revealed information that exposed a source over 10 years," Assange said.

In the interview, Assange also spoke about the Trump campaign — he'd happily receive any authentic "internal documentation" from it. And when asked about the murder of a DNC staffer early last month, who some have speculated was a WikiLeaks source, Assange repeated that WikiLeaks does not disclose its sources, "even dead sources."

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izzythepush
 
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Tue 6 Feb, 2024 07:59 am
@Lash,
When anything is taken to an extreme it's wrong.

That's the case with free speech advocates, free speech at the expense of everything else.

Protecting hate speech and lies are far more important than anything else.

If the only reason for allowing something is free speech, it's no reason at all, there must always be something else.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 08:02 am
@Lash,
You're obsessed with the Clintons, it's like Jasper's monomania with magnets.

Over here Bill Clinton will be known for having an integral part in the NI peace process.

The first American president who bothered with peace since FDR.
Lash
 
  -1  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 08:10 am
@izzythepush,
I’m obsessed with people being accountable for their ****.
Her sloppy and illegal handling of classified info made it easy for a journalist to gain access to—the world deserved to know that elections are rigged and thanks to Assange—we know.

Clinton played a huge role in that—and that is why Assange is being persecuted.

Glennn
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 08:41 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Her sloppy and illegal handling of classified info

Yeah, that's a fact. I was surprised at the number of people who are willing to overlook it because, well, it was Hillary. She stole their hearts.
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 08:41 am
@Lash,
Now you sound like Trump.
Lash
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Feb, 2024 09:10 am
@izzythepush,
If Trump said it, he was accurate.
Saying someone ‘sounds like Trump’ is also weaponization of speech to suppress dissent.

___________________

Some very good speech news!!
From a post on Twitter, so use salt. I’ll try to get confirmation elsewhere.
I hope this is accurate.
__________________
BREAKING: PROFESSOR DAVID MILLER WINS LANDMARK DISCRIMINATION CASE AGAINST BRISTOL UNIVERSITY AFTER BEING FIRED FOR ANTISEMITISM

A verdict has been reached in the case of David Miller, finding him a victim of discrimination due to his stance against Zionism.

Following his dismissal from the University of Bristol in October 2021 over remarks linking the Zionist movement to the propagation of Islamophobia, Professor Miller pursued legal action, asserting that his beliefs were unlawfully targeted under the Equality Act 2010.

Today, the judiciary has affirmed that discrimination was indeed at play in his dismissal.

This pivotal case has set a precedent, affirming the protection of anti-Zionist convictions within the professional sphere.
 

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