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Was I assaulted?

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 01:20 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Love the PC attempts


Probably best not to talk about the things you love, some people have weak stomachs.
Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 01:22 pm
@Olivier5,
See how reasonable people can be ? I was thumbs down for posting oxytocin was a ver powerful hormone. Also-- for pointing out cheating is not ok....LOL. Then as a "girl" in Science I'm used to prejudices. Not that it has an impact on me but it's funny..then I'm not ruled by emotion.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 01:42 pm
@ehBeth,
Well, you are free to ride on your high horse and advise this kid to report his girlfriend to the cops come hell and high water; and I am free to disagree with that advice.

I am free to think that this girl only did a small offense, perhaps because she wanted to help him get over some irrational fear of sex, and should not have her entire life fvcked up as a consequence. This is not a theoretical issue, we're talking (I guess) of real people here, real kids, with a whole life in front of them.

I don't even think he should report her for his own sake. Sending your girlfriend to jail must be the worst possible way to navigate puberty and prepare for adulthood. I still feel guilt for rejecting a girl who later put a bullet in her cute little head... All I did was to leave her because she was crazy, and 30 years later I am still crying whenever I think of her.

So I will advise this kid to avoid any rash decision and think it through before he does something that can impact on his and her lives forever.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 01:43 pm
@chai2,
I wouldn't do that even to YOUR daughter...
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 01:57 pm
@Germlat,
Oh i get thumbed down all the time, sometimes for asking questions as innocuous as 'Why?'. Just that... I now take it as badge of honor: the more minus points I get, the better I feel.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 01:59 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
perhaps you'd also like to take a second or two to consider the price to the person who was raped/assaulted and is/was fearful of reporting it


An that is not the case for both the female and the male who had justed started threads here on whether they was victims or not!!!!!!!
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Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 01:59 pm
@Olivier5,
Yep...that's ok...I think it's ok... I get it.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:03 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Probably best not to talk about the things you love, some people have weak stomachs.


This coming from a man who supported the murder by slow torture of a man on the uninvestigated word of a 13 years old!!!!!!!
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:04 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
See how reasonable people can be ? I was thumbs down for posting oxytocin was a ver powerful hormone. Also-- for pointing out cheating is not ok....LOL. Then as a "girl" in Science I'm used to prejudices. Not that it has an impact on me but it's funny..then I'm not ruled by emotion.
Being voted down routinely has happened and will continue
to happen to a lot of us. It happens to me all the time.
It does not bother me at all. It was very ez for me to get used to.
I already knew that authoritarians don t like me,
because I reveal their lies, their intentional factual inaccuracies.





David
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:06 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Well, you are free to ride on your high horse and advise this kid to report his girlfriend to the cops come hell and high water


when did I advise Travis to report his gf to the cops?
Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:08 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
If I had ever been constructed (due to genetics) in this way, I would be a miserable human being.,.I know that as I lawyer you'll never please everyone either...we were both ok at the outcome....
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:10 pm
@ehBeth,
I don't know. If you haven't, what are you disagreeing about exactly?
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:17 pm
@Olivier5,
Maybe you should look at what you were responding to.

I haven't told Travis to report his gf to the police, here or in our pm's.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:19 pm
@Germlat,
Verily I say onto you, the last will be the first, and the first will be the last. The thumbed down will inherit A2K...

I could thumb you down whenever I see a post of yours, and you could do the same to me, and we'd be the worst rated posters on A2K... That could be fun. What do you say? Smile
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:20 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David I am still laughing that by judging by the votes downs of my last posting here many have no problem with murder by slow torture of a man base on only the uninvestigated word of a 13 years old.
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Germlat
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:20 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Verily I say onto you, the last will be the first, and the first will be the last. The thumbed down will inherit A2K...

I could thumb you down whenever I see a post of yours, and you could do the same to me, and we'd be the worst rated posters on A2K... What do you say? Smile

I say I have the audacity to say I enjoy a posters posts outside a given thread....and don't call them disgusting.,.based on what they repeatedly said they considered a hypothetical situation....I think I'd take their M.O. Into consideration .
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:21 pm
@ehBeth,
Ok, then we agree.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:24 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:

1. They are kids, not adults. It is generally considered that children do not have the same legal responsibilities as adults have.

I'm not aware that Travis mentioned his age or hers. Maybe they are kids, maybe not.
And who says children aren't responsible for abiding by laws, or that they aren't held accountable for crimes, even if they are tried as juveniles?
Quote:
2. They have been involved romantically for some time and have slept together. She pushed their usual necking game to the next level, and should NOT have, but I think the fact that she likes or loves him help explain what she did. If all she wanted was sex, she could probably have dumped him and gone with any other boy who'd be less shy.

You don't know how long they have been involved with each other--nor should that matter. If you like or love someone you respect them, and their boundaries and wishes. Maybe Travis' girlfriend likes dominating males and overpowering them to get what she wants, or simply to make them look weak. She ignored his crying the next day and acted like she didn't care. Maybe she forced sex on him to humiliate him.
Quote:
3. He was not hurt physically. On the contrary he said that he enjoyed it, although not at first. I don't mean to imply that psychological damage does not matter, but it's not like this girl inflicted massive physical pain on that boy.

What difference does it make she didn't hurt him physically? Psychological damage, can be just as traumatic, and far more lasting and extensive in its effects.
Travis might have found the sexual stimulation pleasurable, while it was occurring, simply as an unconditioned response of his autonomic nervous system, but the effect of the experience left him feeling distressed and crying the next day.

Quite apart from legal issues, and I never said anything about reporting this incident, why are you trying to trivialize the effect of what his girlfriend did to him, or its impact on Travis? '

If your daughter was devoutly committed to remaining a virgin until marriage, for her own reasons, and she came to you in tears, clearly upset, and told you her boyfriend wanted her to "put out"and he held her down and forced intercourse on her, would you still view the situation in terms of those same 3 points? Would you tell her that, while her bf should not have done that, it was basically no big deal because he liked her and, didn't harm her physically, so she shouldn't even think about wanting to get him into trouble with the law for what he did to her against her will?


izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:26 pm
@BillRM,
You're making stuff up again. I supported nothing, I understood why a father would want to attack someone who had raped his 13 year old daughter. So do a lot of people, a darn sight more, I would wager, than those who understand why someone would want to look at images of child abuse. That's something you understand.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2014 02:28 pm
@Germlat,
Quote:
I enjoy a posters posts outside a given thread....and don't call them disgusting.,.

When did I call any of your posts disgusting? I am not shy of playing hardball and I have pissed off many around here, but I don't remember shooting one like that to you.
 

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