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@OmSigDAVID,

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If a new cover leaf was ALREADY available,
then the cigar robbery was un-necessary.

just a guess here, but maybe he does not live in a state like Washington where pot, and everything you need to get it into your body, is legal and easily procurable.

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@giujohn,

giujohn wrote:

I know that he is guilty of 2 felonies in 15 mins. I saw him on video commit a strong arm robbery and I'm quite certain the officer didnt assault himself.
Clearly a Prima Facia case of guilt if I ever saw one.
I dont have to be a "Merlin"...been there, done that, got the T-shirt, thanks.

So the video you watched had captions that described what was happening as strong arm robbery?

Mine didn't...and to be honest, since the owners of the store never called in a report of a robbery, it still is open to question. Any competent lawyer would call into question what was happening in what was captured on that video.

And whether or not Brown assaulted the officer or responded to the officer assaulting him is still in question.

Why not wait until all the evidence is in...and have the judicial process decide than suggesting that everything is already settled?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank, Black people are guilty regardless of the video haven't you heard?

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@OmSigDAVID,

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There is no requirement that an aggressor possess a weapon before you are allowed to defend yourself against their aggression

This is for you and guijohn. In Pa , a "Stand your ground law" requires that the other guy be similarly armed. Any actions you tke that violate that precondition will draw mandatory.

My real point was why a pistol and not a taser. Obviously you people have not much experience with tasers. They are a close order weapon that , in such an environment , wouldn't miss.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Clearly a Prima Facia case of guilt if I ever saw one

what does a soffet cover have to do with anything?

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@Frank Apisa,

the guijohns depend on a series of "if this, then that" preconditions. This they've magically assembled without a shred of evidence. Forensics has never been our strong point. We assemble into "mobs"

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@farmerman,

The farmer falsely alleges that DAVID wrote:

" There is no requirement that an aggressor possess a weapon
before you are allowed to defend yourself against their aggression "
Farmer, I dunno who uttered this assertion,
but I AGREE with it, and I join in the sentiment. I adopt it.
U have falsely attributed an error of grammar to me,
whereof I remain innocent, to wit:
I did NOT use the plural "their" to refer to "an aggressor". Thus attesteth: David

farmerman wrote:

This is for you and guijohn.

In Pa , a "Stand your ground law" requires that the other guy be similarly armed.

I know not the law of Pa., Counsellor,
but it disappoints me to learn that a man of average stature and
average musculature must allow those of c.3OO pounds and 6' 4"
to beat them to death, in their discretion, rather than for the victim to use technology
(firearms, e.g. a .44 special revolver loaded with hollowpointed slugs) to end the danger.
I thought that Pa. was a better place than that.
I sympathise with the frail & the elderly of Pa.

In 2005, after intestinal surgery, I was so badly enfeebled
that I lost my ability to walk, for a while; so badly weakened
that a butterfly coud have taken me. Its a good thing that
I stayed out of Pa., now that I know what its law requires.

farmerman wrote:

Any actions you tke that violate that precondition will draw mandatory.
My real point was why a pistol and not a taser.

I suspect that Mr. Wilson had an emergency on his hands.
His concern was remaining alive and hopefully intact,
not in protecting the menace. He has my gratitude. We r all safer now.

farmerman wrote:

Obviously you people have not much experience with tasers.
They are a close order weapon that, in such an environment, wouldn't miss.

Then u and I woud remain exposed to the danger that was Big, Bad, Michael Brown.

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@Frank Apisa,

gungasnake wrote:

I don't really have much of a read on this one yet but from what I can gather,
it appears to have started out with the kid robbing some sort of a store.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Could be. But the bottom line is that the cop who shot him to death...
stopped him for a variation of jaywalking.

The kid was shot 6 times, Gunga.

Show a bit of humanity...even if you have to fake it.

Good faith and candor require me to join in spirit with Gunga!
U r rong, Frank. It was good self defense against getting beaten.
Wilson did what I 'd expect u to do in the same circumstances.

David

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

whoever is "Godlike Production", they are not above lying through thir teeth.
A forensic exam shows ll 6 shots were from behind as if the kid were running away.

If ya cant believe the internet what can ya believe eh?

Tell us again, farmer, about who is LYING
about getting shot in the back and what the "forensic exam" shows ??

Is your nose growing ??????

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@OmSigDAVID,

I wasn't lying gramps. I was reporting what I heard. I later ,a few posts later, acknowledged that. had you not ignored that fact I suppose it would have stolen your point eh?btw, did the cop have all this 'factual info' about brown even before the dispatcher? wonder how all you guys have connected those dots?

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@OmSigDAVID,

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it disappoints me to learn that a man of average stature and
average musculature must allow those of c.3OO pounds and 6' 4"
to beat them to death, in their discretion,

So fr, there is no bsis to that ssertion that there ws even a beating. Eye witnesses said that Qilson backed his car up to the boys and threw open his car door which had, almost knocked Brown over with the force. THAT is an eyewitness .

Wheres yours that Wilson was being beaten?

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Wilson also was firing from INSIDE his car , one bullet was in the upholstery.
I see a cop whose goot very little training in deployment and use of firerms who went off and started hooting. (Of course that's my opinion but it is of the same value as your friends "fairy tles" That Brown was making blunts to sell. ( All that, even if true, was not available to the cop -HOW WOULD HE HAVE KNOWN ALL THAT??)

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@farmerman,

The WIIIIDE latitude that Mo cops enjoy is mideaval. However, the use of deadly force is specifically to

"assist in affecting an apprehension" Not exactly what Wilson was doing eh? He was executing this kid (who, as Daves only defense of Wilson , is because the kid was bigger than Wilson). That's really kind of an unenlightened reason , in my estimation .

Other , less deadly force means could have been chosen (But the pro-Wilsonians totally dismiss the RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR ACTIONS that cops must display-Mindlessly relying on the broad latitude that the Mo reminds me of deadly force requirements impart sounds VERY un enlightened.
SO, maybe we let the investigation proceed and conclude WITHOUT these bullshit statements about " the kid was making meth blunts" or "busting eye sockets" or even "Wilson knowing the kid was robbing a store previously to this shooting when we know the dispatcher hadnt gotten around to put it on the air yet"

That's all evil conjecture and hearsay and just plain lying.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

I wasn't lying gramps.

I am 1OO% confident that u r NOT my grandson.

farmerman wrote:

I was reporting what I heard.

Yea? U came across as being pretty definite about it; even arrogant!

farmerman wrote:

I later, a few posts later, acknowledged that.

What CORRECTION did u make??

farmerman wrote:

had you not ignored that fact I suppose it would have stolen your point eh?
btw, did the cop have all this 'factual info' about brown even before the dispatcher?

IF I got this straight, during his jaywalking-based interaction with Brown,
Wilson heard about the cigar robbery & saw the cigars.

David

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

The WIIIIDE latitude that Mo cops enjoy is mideaval. However, the use of deadly force is specifically to

"assist in affecting an apprehension" Not exactly what Wilson was doing eh? He was executing this kid (who, as Daves only defense of Wilson , is because the kid was bigger than Wilson). That's really kind of an unenlightened reason , in my estimation .

Other , less deadly force means could have been chosen (But the pro-Wilsonians totally dismiss the RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR ACTIONS that cops must display-Mindlessly relying on the broad latitude that the Mo reminds me of deadly force requirements impart sounds VERY un enlightened.
SO, maybe we let the investigation proceed and conclude WITHOUT these bullshit statements about " the kid was making meth blunts" or "busting eye sockets" or even "Wilson knowing the kid was robbing a store previously to this shooting when we know the dispatcher hadnt gotten around to put it on the air yet"

That's all evil conjecture and hearsay and just plain lying.

R u telling us to SHUT UP until the investigation is over ???????

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@OmSigDAVID,

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IF I got this straight, during his jaywalking-based interaction with Brown,
Wilson heard about the cigar robbery & saw the cigars.

No, since Wilson's account of events has not yet been released, you can't assume what he knew or didn't know about what went on with a robbery.

According to Brown's friend Johnson, who was with him, the interaction with Wilson was initiated because they were walking down the middle of the road and he told them to get on the sidewalk. They failed to comply, which is likely why he backed his car up to continue the interaction. Some type of altercation seems to have taken place while Wilson was still in his vehicle and Brown was at the open window on the driver's side. We don't know what transpired during that time. This was followed by Brown running from the vehicle and Wilson exiting it with his gun drawn and shooting, according to eyewitnesses. At some point, Brown turned toward the officer and was facing him when he was struck with bullets. When the fatal shot was fired, Brown's head had to be lowered and facing downward based on the angle of the shot when it hit him. That position was confirmed by one of the eyewitnesses who said Brown was bent over when the last shot was fired.

We don't know why Brown ran from the police car or why Wilson was shooting at him. To apprehend him for blocking traffic? That would make no sense. Someone fleeing from him did not present an imminent danger to Wilson. Even if Wilson knew about the robbery, that wouldn't justify shooting at Brown to effect an arrest for that. Was he trying to arrest him for having assaulted a police officer? I don't think that would justify shooting at him either. Did Wilson fear Brown would charge at him, or was Brown charging toward him? One eyewitness supports that perception, a few others, of varying reliability, don't. But that last possibility would be the only legitimate reason, in my mind, for the officer to have used any deadly force in that situation. And, even in cases like that, I'd much prefer that the police use something like a Taser to subdue someone than use lethal force, although I don't believe that was available to Wilson.

We have seen no evidence thus far that really justifies Wilson's use of deadly force. Neither Wilson's account of events nor his medical records have been made public. Why not?

Yet, even without any evidence to justify this use of lethal force, you seem pleased that this officer killed Brown and took him off the streets. But that's not the job of the police, David, that's why we have courts and jails.

A minor stop for blocking traffic should not have wound up with someone, an unarmed person, dead at the hands of a police officer. And we are still a long way from having enough evidence to understand how that came about, and whether the officer's actions were justified.

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@firefly,

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followed by Brown running from the vehicle and Wilson exiting it with his gun drawn and shooting, according to eyewitnesses.

and this cop is such a poor shot that every one missed till he turned around, the story goes, the the cop was accurate 6 times .

How many shots were fired in total?

I am willing to consider this story, but it certainly is far fetched.

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@hawkeye10,

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and this cop is such a poor shot that every one missed till he turned around, the story goes, the the cop was accurate 6 times .

How many shots were fired in total?

Maybe Wilson wasn't trying to hit Brown as he was running away, maybe he was just trying to get him to stop? He really wouldn't be able to justify, in any way, shooting an unarmed person in the back.

As far as I know, they haven't said how many shots were fired in total.

There's not been enough substantial or compelling evidence released yet to warrant any firm conclusions regarding justification for this shooting.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

In Pa , a "Stand your ground law" requires that the other guy be similarly armed.

Stand your ground is different from basic self defense.

Just because an act doesn't qualify for stand your ground does not mean it also fails to qualify for ordinary self defense.

farmerman wrote:

My real point was why a pistol and not a taser. Obviously you people have not much experience with tasers. They are a close order weapon that, in such an environment, wouldn't miss.

I am skeptical of this. Usually the wires have to launch over to the other person and stick before current can be applied.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Wilson also was firing from INSIDE his car , one bullet was in the upholstery.

That would be the round that was fired when the police officer was allegedly being assaulted in the course of an attempt to steal his gun.

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