hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 12:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You keep pounding on the negative about Robin Williams, but the facts are 1) he was financially successful, 2) he was admired and loved by his family, friends, and fans, and 3) he was a better person than you'll ever hope to be.

Actually, my last post was about the masses inability/unwillingness to grasp reality, the misconceptions and misinformation about Robin Williams was mearly the latest example of this problem.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 12:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
You're implying that 'your' reality is more informed? LOL
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 12:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
All careers have "ARCS". Some artists reach their full powers early, and some later. Harrison Fords early stuff was pretty lame. His later stuff is once gain sinking into lameness (viz Cowboys an ALiens). To deny (or even imply a denial ) of greatness on Ford (OR ROBIN WILLIAMS) just cause they've made a couple of stinkers is missing the point of how great talents Williams or ford are.

Williams infused anything he did with his zany ADD hyperactivity. He couldn't save all his pictures (even though he was sought by the producer of many a potential bomb to do just that).
Witness RV. It was a lame movie in which Williams gave it his all. HE NEVER "PHONED IT IN" in anything he did. He drained himself in every performance (Even that movie where he played that creepy film kiosk manger). Hawkee has always been a serial- contrarian gussied up as a self proclaimed Nostradamus
Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 01:30 pm
@farmerman,
well-said (written)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 01:44 pm
@farmerman,
All humans achieve different levels of success or failure, but those who attempts to imply any individual's failure doesn't understand what achievement is. Most perceptions of success is subjective to the individual and to others who attempts to criticize or demean. They'll never 'get it.'

Poor or having experienced different levels of failure doesn't equate to failure - as hawk would have us believe. I'd venture to say many who are poorer in money than hawk are richer in more ways than he'll ever realize.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 03:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Unfortunately I dont have the skill of looking into someones eyes and seeing their soul....what did his eyes say?


Shame that :-

Revellette said :-
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Foxfire talked about you could see the kindness in his eyes (a lot more) and she is right, you could. Even in his comedy shows like Mrs. Doubtfire, you could, he was just so real.


Kindness, softness, lost or hiding behind, sad...

Turn that question over to the Body language experts. It's pretty easy to see something in someone if you take the time to look.

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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 03:47 pm
That is likely Firefly that said that about eyes.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 04:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Hawkeye foolishly, and snobbishly, talks about the films Williams was "reduced to doing" in the past few years, as though he has some unique insight into the types of film roles Williams wanted to take after he turned 60, when, of course, he is ignorant on that score. Mainly what aging actors want to do is to go on working, and creating diverse characters, and Williams seemingly encountered no problems doing that--not only in films, but on TV, as well as on the Broadway stage, over the past few years. He wasn't "reduced to doing" anything that justifies Hawkeye's demeaning appraisal.

In the 2013 critical dud, "The Big Wedding", Williams fellow cast mates included 3 other highly regarded Oscar winners--Diane Keaton, Robert Di Nero, and Susan Sarandon--all of whom must have been equally washed up and "reduced to doing" this movie according to Hawkeye's standards. Laughing

In fact, Williams had just been in several successful films as well. Notable among those was the critically well received "The Butler" (2013)--in which he played President Dwight Eisenhower. He had also just reprised his role as President Teddy Roosevelt for the yet to be released Night at the Museum 3, and there is no reason to believe that this film won't be as extremely commercially successful as it's predecessor in the series.

Williams appeared in 83 films and 27 television series-- he was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Actor three times, beside winning an Oscar for Best Supporting Actor. He also received two Emmy Awards, four Golden Globe Awards, two Screen Actors Guild Awards, and five Grammy Awards.

He had a long, and distinguished, and successful career, right up until his death, despite Hawkeye's rather absurd and melodramatic attempts to portray him as a pathetic failure at the end. He never stopped surprising us with his genius for comic improvisation, or with the range of dramatic roles he chose, which is why we never lost interest in him, and why he never lacked for new projects.

Williams seemingly had everything to live for--a loving family, good friends, devoted fans, financial and career success, and a solid record of accomplishment, both artistically and in terms of his philanthropy, of which he could be justifiably proud. He had so much to draw upon in terms of support for whatever he was dealing with or going through. Unfortunately, those things weren't enough to balance out whatever internal pain and darkness caused him to leave us.

Hawkeye, in his usual know-it-all arrogance, thinks he knows the answer to "Why?". More thinking people, respectfully recognizing William's complexity, as well as his acknowledged vulnerabilities, know that he took the only answer that matters with him.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 04:22 pm
@firefly,
Stated very well; in a way most of his family, friends, and fans would understand. Only hawk seems lost in his own world.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 04:43 pm
Quote:
Williams publicly said in 2006 that he had not been diagnosed with clinical depression and it remains unknown whether that ever changed or whether he sought or received treatment for mental health issues.


http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/13/robin-williams-depression.html

This tracks with an interview I saw of Robin talking about his alleged early life depression. Likewise I have seen claims the Williams was BiPolar but like depression no one ever says that it was ever claimed by a doctor. Google Robin Williams diagnosis and all you get is the parkinson's, that at least was actually real.

The " journalists" and the minders however rarely let the truth get between them and a good story, all you will hear is the Robin williams took his life after suffering from depression and drug addiction....an assertion that in the first part is completely unproven and in the second part is by all they we know false.
Germlat
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 05:42 pm
@hawkeye10,
He talked about his addiction on a stand-up routine in 2010. He called drugs his weapons of self-destruction. Since drugs alter brain chemistry, when someone stops talking them, it leads to depression...the brain becomes accustomed to the constant release of certain neurotransmitters...I've read it takes a recovering addict about 1 year to recover normal brain function.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 05:52 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye, people are quite capable of recognizing when they are depressed--it's not something that necessarily needs a formal diagnosis. The same is true of anxiety. Most of the time, these conditions are diagnosed simply based on self-reports.

He had always spoken about his anxiety and fears. Since his open heart surgery in 2009, Williams had spoken to friends about experiencing increasing bouts of depression.

He was an avid cyclist and used the exercise of cycling to help deal with feelings of depression and anxiety.

And, prior to his suicide, both his publicist and his wife have said he was experiencing depression.

His wife said...
Quote:
"Robin's sobriety was intact and he was brave as he struggled with his own battles of depression, anxiety as well as early stages of Parkinson's disease, which he was not yet ready to share publicly.

His publicist said...
Quote:
He'd "been battling severe depression of late," his publicist Mara Buxbaum told The Times.


And the assistant deputy chief coroner said he had received treatment for depression
Quote:
Lt. Keith Boyd, assistant deputy chief coroner for the Marin County Sheriff's Department, told reporters. Recent cut marks were visible on his wrist, and a pocket knife was found near his body.

Boyd confirmed that Williams had "received treatment for depression" but declined to speculate on what may have led the actor to take his own life.

No matter how many times this info has been posted, you continue to disregard or deny it. These people have considerably more knowledge of what Williams was experiencing than you do. According to them, he had been depressed, and battling depression and anxiety, before taking his own life.





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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 06:00 pm
@Germlat,
Quote:
I've read it takes a recovering addict about 1 year to recover normal brain function.

Williams hadn't used drugs in at least 30 years, and he had last quit drinking about 5 years ago.

But maintaining sobriety is always a daily struggle for someone in recovery, particularly during periods of depression or anxiety. And Williams seemed to be going through that this summer when he briefly went back into alcohol rehab for support with his sobriety

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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 06:31 pm
Billy Crystal seems the perfect choice to do this.
Quote:
How Billy Crystal will Honor Robin Williams at the 2014 Emmys
Aug 20, 2014,
By MICHAEL ROTHMAN

Robin Williams is getting the tribute the comedic legend deserves.

His very dear friend Billy Crystal will be honoring the late icon at this year's 66th Emmy Awards on Monday night.

Williams died last week at the age of 63 from an apparent suicide.

"We felt we needed to do something powerful and memorable. Billy seemed like the perfect choice," said Emmys producer Don Mischer, according to E! News.

This announcement comes after Mischer revealed last week that something for Williams was definitely in the works.

"Plans for the In Memoriam segment are in discussion," Mischer, told ABC News via a statement. "We are working to give Robin Williams the proper and meaningful remembrance he so well deserves."

Williams was no stranger to the Emmy Awards, having been nominated eight times and winning twice.

The 66th Primetime Emmy Awards are set to air Aug. 25 on NBC.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/billy-crystal-honor-robin-williams-2014-emmys/story?id=25055059

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nononono
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2014 01:31 am
I'd just like to remind everyone here that firefly is BOTH a sexist/misandrist/hateful bigot, and also NOT an authority figure on ANYTHING relevant...

roger
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2014 02:01 am
@nononono,
Let's see you relate THAT to Robin Williams.
nononono
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2014 02:12 am
@roger,
Oh, it has nothing to do with directly relating to Robin Willims, other than firefly seems to have a lot to say here... ALMOST like she really believes that she's an authority figure on ANY given subject.

Last time I checked firefly was NOT the official, registered Robin Williams historian!

And almost no one calls her out on her bullshit.

firefly's words hold ZERO value. And that goes for ANY subject matter...

FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2014 02:30 am
@ossobuco,
Nope I did.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2014 02:34 am
@nononono,
Then start a new thread Smile FIREFLY is a witch Smile Good luck

One thing she is good at is obtaining facts, analysing those facts and discussing those facts.

Often we go back and forth, sometimes what she says makes perfect sense other times my own intuition tells me something is a miss, either way, she has time on her hands and investigates all the facts before posting as factual or at least to the best of anyone's knowledge. She accepts someone else's opinion of it's based on the same, reading the facts.

So don't worry about what you feel about her, that's a personal issue.

Do read what she writes and comment if you will, as that's part of this communication here having our own opinions.

(Got to stop your nastiness you aren't a bad person)

nononono
 
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Reply Thu 21 Aug, 2014 02:45 am
@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:
Then start a new thread Smile FIREFLY is a witch Smile Good luck


Did that. And even though it's an OBVIOUS truth, I got crucified for it...

Quote:
One thing she is good at is obtaining facts, analysing those facts and discussing those facts.


Incorrect. What she's good at is spinning truths to suit her agenda. And that agenda ALWAYS includes her portraying herself as an authority figure. Even when the "facts" she's obtaining are nothing more than a google search that literally ANYONE could attain and spin themselves.

Quote:
she has time on her hands


And that's what bothers me. I have SO little free time, and yet I'm still able to maintain a certain level of awareness that she seems oblivious to.

Quote:
She accepts someone else's opinion


This has literally NEVER happened, unless that opinion aligns with hers...


 

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