blatham
 
  1  
Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 11:29 pm
I cannot think of anyone who might come closer to being again arisen. And wouldn't that be just about ******* perfect - Robin as the Second Coming.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  4  
Reply Mon 18 Aug, 2014 03:06 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:
. . . I've had the hawk-turd on ignore for ages now
mainly so I won't be tempted to fall into the trap of reading
and responding to his idiotic inanities. . . .
That is a very hateful post.
Ragman
 
  2  
Reply Mon 18 Aug, 2014 06:38 am
@OmSigDAVID,
shoot him!
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Tue 19 Aug, 2014 05:19 am
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:
shoot him!
No, no; I recognize Andy's right
to select any emotion.

I was just pointing out which one he had chosen.





David
Lustig Andrei
 
  1  
Reply Tue 19 Aug, 2014 10:27 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Thank you, David.
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Tue 19 Aug, 2014 10:43 am
@Lustig Andrei,
U r welcome to each of your emotions.

One hopes that u will use them wisely.





David
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Reply Tue 19 Aug, 2014 11:49 pm
Quote:
I couldn't stand to watch Robin Williams. I don't mean this in the sniffy sense of an asshole contrarian saying "Eh, he was not so special" hours after a man's death; he was so special—that's the problem. His default manic-improv mode—which, as confirmed by myriad remembrances, tickled, pleased, and even uplifted millions—always made me recoil in horror and shame. The reason for this reaction was simple, and retroactively clear: Williams’s mania seemed to mask extreme, sustained, and infectious despair.

Perhaps “mask” isn’t even the right word. Some comics use the spotlight to exorcise their demons; Williams used his to feed them. Taken one at a time, his improvisational glissandos were often inspired, just as often clichéd, and increasingly hoary as time bore on: Schwarzenegger, a swishy gay guy, a “ghetto” “black” voice, a burst of Yiddish, a fifth-grade double entendre. (Just think what he would have done with the words “tickled, pleased, and uplifted” in the above paragraph.) What made these bits terrifying, at least to me, was the intensity of their aggregation. Taken together, they constituted more of a tic than a schtick, a curtain of compulsion that nearly obliterated the need to communicate as oneself, which the world proceeded to applaud. Of course, this switched-on, impressionistic style was mainstream at the time when Williams started out—Pryor's, Midler's, and Minnelli's routines all use it—but no one took it as far and held on to it so tight as Williams did.

Norm Macdonald, one of my comedy heroes, tweeted a sweet encomium of Williams that’s accidentally illustrative of this. Decades ago, Macdonald was about to go on Letterman for the first time, and terrified to follow Williams; seeing this, Williams kindly stuck around to distract and console him for half an hour, apparently without saying a single word as Robin Williams. Instead, he did a Jewish tailor (complete with “which way do you dress?”) and a prolonged phone routine pretending to be a Chinese waiter. I feel pretty safe saying that, of the two men in the green room that night, the one more terrified was not Norm Macdonald.

Post-Aladdin, Robin Williams managed to relegate this persona from film to stage, voiceover, and promotional appearances (his late-night interviews, in particular, always seemed to build to him miming a giant penis). On the big screen, he gradually embraced a kind of twinkly-eyed, post-rehab mawkishness. It got him accolades, and an Oscar. Yet I still tensed up at it, waiting for the slip-up—a funny voice here, a quick impression there—the compulsion now mine as much as his. (I wonder if more viewers won’t feel the same now, the way one can no longer help zeroing in on premonitions of malady in Marty McFly’s twitchy charm in Back to the Future).

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/08/13/robin_williams_suicide_he_was_at_his_best_playing_a_villain.html

Michael Idov is the editor-in-chief of GQ Russia and the author of Ground Up, a novel inspired by this Slate essay about a coffee shop. He lives in Moscow.

I certainly never saw the fear back then, and Williams was very clear that he believed comedy was his best therapy, but considering that fear eventually bound him up killing his creativity and convinced him to leave it may well be so.
FOUND SOUL
 
  4  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 02:11 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
I certainly never saw the fear back then, and Williams was very clear that he believed comedy was his best therapy, but considering that fear eventually bound him up killing his creativity and convinced him to leave it may well be so.


No, Robin Williams if you will, believed in "imagination". It was his imagination that created people to laugh when he was a child growing up, fearful of being bullied as he was being bullied. And, so, he turned his fear into Comedy and it worked. THAT does not stop someone from still having fear. He had heart surgery, watched people he loved, die helpless, still, he went on being a Comedian, who everyone loved.

His eyes speak volumes if you look closely enough. In all of his photos.

It is easy to go onto the Internet and be someone else, it is easy to play characters and be someone else, ultimately if you can not jump over a pain, you continue to suffer.

He suffered, he was depressed, he used comedy to try to make light of his depression, he was "ok" he was sober for 20 years, he was "ok" he got past the heart problem. But, depression is real and once he established he had what his dear friend had, he couldn't see anything funny in that, or anything funny full stop, at that moment, just at that moment.... It's called depression Hawkeye, which has a lot of strings, anxiety, depression, the need for something, alcohol, cutting, something...

Stop grasping for straws, we all fear . The strong find solutions, the weak, especially if they have conditions, sometimes let go.

I can not see at all that you are Zen after reading up on the said subject. There is nothing wrong with analysing we all do it, **** I do it, I love to investigate and find answers.

But, someone so beautiful within the soul, always giving, shy, loving.. There is no need to investigate if you were spiritual you'd work it out immediately as it's within the ream of the soul.............

revelette2
 
  3  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 06:39 am
@FOUND SOUL,
Mental illness's are misunderstood by a lot of people. It is a lot like a person with cancer or addiction. They go may go in remission, or may be sober, but its still there waiting. Also, there are a lot of functional people who have mental illness but its such a bad thing to admit because it discredits a person and gives others ammunition to use against you that it takes a lot of courage for someone who is famous or in a high position to talk about. But what I mean by functional is that you can be in a grip of a period of depression or even mania (there are degrees)but still able to carry on with whatever your daily life is. It seems Robin Williams was able to do that.

I don't want to turn this personal, but I deal with mental illness, luckily, its not as bad as when I was younger and I do take medicine, but its still there.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 07:02 am
@revelette2,
And it's extremely brave of you to mention it on A2K. +1
OmSigDAVID
 
  0  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 09:08 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
I couldn't stand to watch Robin Williams. I don't mean this in the sniffy sense of an asshole contrarian saying "Eh, he was not so special" hours after a man's death; he was so special—that's the problem. His default manic-improv mode—which, as confirmed by myriad remembrances, tickled, pleased, and even uplifted millions—always made me recoil in horror and shame. The reason for this reaction was simple, and retroactively clear: Williams’s mania seemed to mask extreme, sustained, and infectious despair.

Perhaps “mask” isn’t even the right word. Some comics use the spotlight to exorcise their demons; Williams used his to feed them. Taken one at a time, his improvisational glissandos were often inspired, just as often clichéd, and increasingly hoary as time bore on: Schwarzenegger, a swishy gay guy, a “ghetto” “black” voice, a burst of Yiddish, a fifth-grade double entendre. (Just think what he would have done with the words “tickled, pleased, and uplifted” in the above paragraph.) What made these bits terrifying, at least to me, was the intensity of their aggregation. Taken together, they constituted more of a tic than a schtick, a curtain of compulsion that nearly obliterated the need to communicate as oneself, which the world proceeded to applaud. Of course, this switched-on, impressionistic style was mainstream at the time when Williams started out—Pryor's, Midler's, and Minnelli's routines all use it—but no one took it as far and held on to it so tight as Williams did.

Norm Macdonald, one of my comedy heroes, tweeted a sweet encomium of Williams that’s accidentally illustrative of this. Decades ago, Macdonald was about to go on Letterman for the first time, and terrified to follow Williams; seeing this, Williams kindly stuck around to distract and console him for half an hour, apparently without saying a single word as Robin Williams. Instead, he did a Jewish tailor (complete with “which way do you dress?”) and a prolonged phone routine pretending to be a Chinese waiter. I feel pretty safe saying that, of the two men in the green room that night, the one more terrified was not Norm Macdonald.

Post-Aladdin, Robin Williams managed to relegate this persona from film to stage, voiceover, and promotional appearances (his late-night interviews, in particular, always seemed to build to him miming a giant penis). On the big screen, he gradually embraced a kind of twinkly-eyed, post-rehab mawkishness. It got him accolades, and an Oscar. Yet I still tensed up at it, waiting for the slip-up—a funny voice here, a quick impression there—the compulsion now mine as much as his. (I wonder if more viewers won’t feel the same now, the way one can no longer help zeroing in on premonitions of malady in Marty McFly’s twitchy charm in Back to the Future).

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/08/13/robin_williams_suicide_he_was_at_his_best_playing_a_villain.html

Michael Idov is the editor-in-chief of GQ Russia and the author of Ground Up, a novel inspired by this Slate essay about a coffee shop. He lives in Moscow.

I certainly never saw the fear back then, and Williams was very clear that he believed comedy was his best therapy, but considering that fear eventually bound him up killing his creativity and convinced him to leave it may well be so.
He said that he was an actor first,
a comedian second, because in his early career,
he coud not find work as an actor.
I liked him best as a kind and thoughtful actor.
I preferred him without the screaming.
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revelette2
 
  3  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 09:30 am
@izzythepush,
Not really, but thanks. Someone in a high position has a lot more to loose than a bored housewife confessing on an internet forum.

Foxfire talked about you could see the kindness in his eyes (a lot more) and she is right, you could. Even in his comedy shows like Mrs. Doubtfire, you could, he was just so real.
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OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 09:36 am

It was very nice of Robin Williams
not to use gunfire to effect his suicide.

He 'd have been more comfortable, if he had,
but he 'd have made gun owners look bad
with a lot more outcries for gun control to prevent suicide.





David
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 10:21 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Yea, and did you hear about the grandmother who shot her 7 year old grandson in Florida? Without a gun in the house, that would never have happened. Her grandson is in critical condition.

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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 10:54 am
@revelette2,
Quote:
I don't want to turn this personal, but I deal with mental illness, luckily, its not as bad as when I was younger and I do take medicine, but its still there


we dont know that Robin Williams ever had a diagnosis, much less that he was ever prescribed. Journalism accounts state over and over again that he is dead because of depression and drug problems, they dont let the lack of evidence of a diagnosis, or the fact that so far as we know he did not do drugs over the last decades get in the way of a good story.
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 10:57 am
@FOUND SOUL,
Quote:
His eyes speak volumes if you look closely enough. In all of his photos.
Unfortunately I dont have the skill of looking into someones eyes and seeing their soul....what did his eyes say?
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 11:09 am
A critic catches hell for pointing out that William did a fair amount of very bad work in a lot of bad movies

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2729468/Robin-Williams-addicted-tooth-rotting-sentimentality-says-Barry-Norman-Film-critic-believes-late-actor-s-films-affect-legacy.html

This is most certainly the truth, but few are open to it. The last movie I enjoyed was Good Will Hunting, which is 1997 work. That was a very long time ago. IN his last years Williams was often doing movies that were so commercially worthless that they could not or could not easily find distribution, two of his latest; THE ANGRIEST MAN IN BROOKLYN and The face of Love were as commercially disastrous as they come, and one of his 4 movies in the can still has no distribution and may never be seen. Robin Williams career had gotten so bad that he was making movies that almost no one would ever see, that is what he had been reduced to.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 11:12 am
@hawkeye10,
You keep pounding on the negative about Robin Williams, but the facts are 1) he was financially successful, 2) he was admired and loved by his family, friends, and fans, and 3) he was a better person than you'll ever hope to be.
firefly
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 11:22 am
David Letterman's tribute to his friend.

cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2014 11:34 am
@firefly,
Thanks for sharing that tribute. I took my family to see the very first David Letterman show in NYC, and as we walked out of the theater, I said to my family, "he's not going to last very long."

So much for foot in mouth disease.
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