Obama may have lied, or "misspoke" after all

Obama may have lied, or "misspoke" after all

minimum standards for health insurance coverage, requiring, for example, that all health plans carry mental health benefits, prescription drug coverage, vaccinations, dental and vision care for children, maternity care for women, and more. Coverage also must be available to all regardless of preexisting medical conditions. In effect, this outlaws many existing “bare bones” plans that were cheap, but didn’t cover all (or any) of the required benefits and were available to mainly healthy persons. Those plans are now outlawed, and not all who had them welcome better insurance at greater cost.

The large majority of Americans are not affected by these changes, since they get their coverage through comprehensive employer plans or Medicare or other government programs. But about 15 million Americans, or 5 percent of the population, currently purchase coverage on their own, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. An insurance industry-sponsored analysis pointed out that the law — starting in 2014 — will push premiums in the individual market up for some, down for others.

Yup. This is actually a consumer protection measure that's baked into Obamacare.

If you're paying for a junk healthcare plan, then you'll have to change plans.

I read an analysis of some of these "health insurance" plans that people are complaining about having to move off of, and the plans are basically scams. They take the person's money and provide extremely limited benefits. If the person were to get seriously sick, then the person pays everything out of pocket.

But how about the Democrats stop trying to defend their plan with outright lies? (Especially since the Republicans are certain to pounce on those lies.)

I'm all for that and would be interested to see those outright lies.

But others are higher quality than anything that is being offered on the health care exchanges.

Last month, [Barrette] received a letter from Blue Cross/Blue Shield informing her as of January 2014, she would lose her current plan. Barrette pays $54 a month. The new plan she’s being offered would run $591 a month, ten times more than what she currently pays. “What I have right now is what I’m happy with, and I just want to know why I can’t keep what I have. Why do I have to be forced into something else?” [says Barrette]

Show me some people who are genuinely hurt by ACA...somebody who is being forced to accept a low quality plan.

On January 1, 1995, the National Health Insurance Law went into effect. The law sets forth the state's responsibility to provide health services for all residents of the country (not including tourists.) The law stipulates that a standardized basket of medical services, including hospitalization, will continue to be supplied by the sick funds. Sources for funding of health costs include progressive health insurance premiums paid by each resident, employers' health tax payments, National Insurance Institute funds, funds from the Ministry of Health budget and consumer participation payments. The insurance premiums are collected by the National Insurance Institute.

The law provides that:

Every resident must register as a member with one of the four sick funds.

The sick funds may not bar applicants on any grounds, including age and state of health.

Equal status is accorded to all four sick funds.

Health care services covered by the law include:

Medical diagnosis and treatment
Preventive medicine and health education
Hospitalization (general, maternity, psychiatric and chronic)
Surgery and transplants. If medical treatment is not available in Israel, treatment abroad will be covered.
Preventive dental care for children
First aid and transportation to a hospital or clinic
Medical services at the workplace
Medical treatment for drug abuse and alcoholism
Medical equipment and appliances
Obstetrics and fertility treatment
Treatment of injuries caused by violence
Medication, in accordance with an order issued by the Ministry of Health
Treatment of chronic diseases
Paramedical services (physical therapy, occupational therapy, etc.)

But how do you know this?

Show me some people who are genuinely hurt by ACA...somebody who is being forced to accept a low quality plan.

Because I am capable of comparing my existing plan with the plans being offered on the exchanges.

Currently I have traditional insurance where I can be treated by anyone, without bothering with any sort of "network" nonsense. And my maximum out of pocket expenses are only $250 a year.

There is no traditional insurance being offered on the exchanges. The closest thing I can get is a PPO where I will only be fully covered if I stay within a network. And that PPO has maximum out of pocket expenses of $5100 a year.

So that is simultaneously both less choice and less coverage for me.

The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes. Because of the small sample, there is a larger chance that it may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.[1][2] Anecdotal evidence is considered dubious support of a claim; it is accepted only in lieu of more solid evidence. This is true regardless of the veracity of individual claims.[

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The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes. Because of the small sample, there is a larger chance that it may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.[1][2] Anecdotal evidence is considered dubious support of a claim; it is accepted only in lieu of more solid evidence. This is true regardless of the veracity of individual claims.

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So when the Democrats say that something is so, it's against the rules to point out that the opposite is true?

oralloy wrote:

So when the Democrats say that something is so, it's against the rules to point out that the opposite is true?

Nahhh ...
I think Rev was commenting on the fact that I had asked you to provide some news stories on how ACA was causing hardship for people having to change their plans and you repeated the story about your plan.

poor people don't pass their homes on to their children.
they pass on an estate that must be liquidated to pay the medical bills left over from what medicaid does not cover...