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The moral differences between the holocaust and bombing Japan

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 05:30 am
I have always dated the start of the Second World War with the outbreak of the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. That doesn't mean that Japan was considered an eminent threat to the United States. The Einstein-Szilard letter was sent to FDR in 1939. That there was no project called the Manhattan District Project doesn't mean that there was not a program to investigate the use of atomic fission to make a bomb.

Japan wasn't in the atomic weapons race. Germany was.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 07:40 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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wrote:

In Germany, in 1938, Hahn and Strassmann of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Berlin successfully bombarded uranium atoms to produce fission.
What they actually did was to repeat Enrico Fermi's experiments that he conducted under the fooball stadium at the U of Chicago. Fermi's atomc "pile" allowed bombarding U with neutrons and he (Fermi) noted the creation of several new elements.
What the Germans did was to quantify the amount of energy that was "created" in the fission xperiments.
Germany was being led in the wrong direction in creating a bomb so while US was futzing around, we and the Brits and Canadians were far ahead f Germany (But no one knew it at the time).
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 09:49 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Are you really suggesting that Nazi Germany considered the Jews their wartime enemies and that their efforts to exterminate them amounted to warfare?


The German high command certainly did consider them a large part of Germany's problems. In this, Finn, they were "dealt with" in fashion similar to how the US "dealt with" Native Americans. The US certainly does have it share of Holocausts.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 09:58 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Equally, I'm not surprised that you cling to the propaganda pumped out by your "historians", Finn. The facts are there. The US has committed war crimes after war crimes in so many different locales around the world. The US is far and away the leading terrorist group in the world.

And yet the US media and US academics have hidden these facts. Not all, but enough to keep the propaganda at the fore.

Again, a country cannot resort to war crimes in order to shorten a war. And the Japanese were ready to surrender. The propaganda was marched out right after the deeds were done to hide the hideous things the US had done. There was more than enough evidence to convict the US administrations just on the firebombing of Japanese cities. Curtis LeMay admitted that had the US been on the losing side, he would have been held to be a war criminals.
Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 09:58 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:

The Jews posed no clear and present danger to Hitler except, perhaps, as potential political opponents. We were at all-out war with Japan.


Not in agreement. The mere presence/existence of Jews posed a threat to the entire New World Order ideology, whereby that focus would be about the grandeur of the old Norse Teutonic heroes. The Jews represented a competing ideology. They were in the way; however, due to Christians learning over two millenia that Jews were antithetical to Christianity, and were expendable (in society), the new lesson from the Nazis was not hard to learn - that being that Jews are antithetical to the New World Order ideology, and still expendable. The only difference though was the approach. Christianity developed ghettos, since all humans had a worth under Christianity. Nazis developed gas chambers, since not all humans had a worth under Naziism.

JTT
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 10:16 am
@Lustig Andrei,
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Zinn's research and scholarship are impeccable. It's his one-sided JTT-like slant on those facts that make his conclusions less than reliable and much of his work distasteful to the average American.


His work is only distasteful to those Americans who hat to hear the truth, Merry. You are of that ilk. The notion of you producing facts on these topics is ludicrous in the extreme.

Here is Lustig Andrei commenting on these very issues of US war crimes and terrorism and how they should be handled:

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I'm making no attempt whatever to be fair. I'm expressing my opinions and recognizing that that's all they are. To be fair, I'd have to look at both sides of the issue. I don't intend to.

**** "fair".


http://able2know.org/topic/203331-2#top

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And that's one reason why there can be no meaningful comparison between Hitler's Holocaust and the US bombing of Japan. The Jews posed no clear and present danger to Hitler except, perhaps, as potential political opponents. We were at all-out war with Japan.


But of course, that's just silly, Merry. According to your skewed logic, all the Germans had to say/have to say is the Jews posed the greatest of dangers to their society and therefore their actions were justified. The US has used this kind of arrant nonsense numerous times to justify their war crimes and terrorism.

Cuba, Nicaragua, ... are threats to US "national security". You idiots don't even grasp how stupid these notions are.

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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 10:30 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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Ever hear of the Rape of Nanking (1937), the capital of China?
I dunno, but I suspect that the Chinese felt threatened by the Japs by then.


Ever hear of the Rape of the Philippines (1899), the Rape of Cuba, the Rape of Nicaragua, the Rape of Haiti, the Rape of Chile, the Rape of Guatemala, the Rape of Korea, the Rape of [fill in with any country of the 200 US illegal invasions]?
Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 10:33 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
Ever hear of the Rape of Nanking (1937), the capital of China?
I dunno, but I suspect that the Chinese felt threatened by the Japs by then.


Ever hear of the Rape of the Philippines (1899), the Rape of Cuba, the Rape of Nicaragua, the Rape of Haiti, the Rape of Chile, the Rape of Guatemala, the Rape of Korea, the Rape of [fill in with any country of the 200 US illegal invasions]?


To be fair, actual rapes in occupied WWII Germany were done by whose Army? Not the Americans, nor the Allies. You must know the answer.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 10:37 am
@Foofie,
Quote:
Nazis developed gas chambers, since not all humans had a worth under Naziism.


And the US developed their "gas chambers" and the US has done to numerous peoples what the Nazis did to the Jews. Not in as crass a fashion of course, but the results have been the same.

No humans have worth to the US except when they are needed for propaganda purposes. History clearly illustrates this.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 10:54 am
@Foofie,
You've avoided the issue, Foofie, but you have raised another important one.

Quote:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2332670/American-WWII-GIs-dangerous-sex-crazed-rapists-French-feared-Germans-explosive-book-claims.html

American WWII GIs were dangerous sex-crazed rapists who the French feared as much as the Germans, explosive book claims

Book 'debunks myth that the GI were manly and always behaved well'
By 1944 women in Normandy 'filed complaints about rapes by US soldiers'
Debauchery, lawlessness and institutional racism are chronicled in book
Penned by Mary Roberts, a history professor at the University of Wisconsin
Veterans Affairs rep says there is 'no way' to reprimand the U.S. soldiers
Comes just after Sexual Assault Prevention Month in the U.S., where the military is under fire for string of high-profile assault cases
Japanese politician also just claimed that American soldiers used their women as 'sex slaves' during WWII

Swapping stockings for kisses and teaching girls how to jive, American GIs were meant to be a welcome ray of sunshine in war-torn Europe.
But a new book has revealed the dark side of Europe’s liberation after the Second World War.
Professor Mary Louise Roberts, from the University of Wisconsin, said within months of D-Day ordinary French women came to fear their American ‘liberators’.

She tells how, by the summer of 1944, large numbers of women in Normandy filed complaints about rapes by US soldiers.
And their arrival prompted a wave of crime all over France, with American soldiers caught committing robberies and petty thefts.
Professor Roberts said: ‘My book seeks to debunk an old myth about the GI, thought of as a manly creature that always behaved well. The GIs were having sex anywhere and everywhere.
‘In the cities of Le Havre and Cherbourg, bad behaviour was common.
‘Women, including those who were married, were openly solicited for sex. Parks, bombed-out buildings, cemeteries and railway tracks were carnal venues.
‘People could not go out for a walk without seeing somebody having sex.
‘But the sex was not always consensual, with hundreds of cases of rape being reported.’
The locals of Le Havre were shocked by the soldiers’ behaviour and wrote letters of protest to their mayor.



And another that you will surely want to read, Foofie.

Quote:
'Bandits in Uniform': The Dark Side of GIs in Liberated France

By Mathieu von Rohr

US soldiers who fought in World War II have commonly been depicted as honorable citizen warriors from the "Greatest Generation." But a new book uncovers the dark side of some GIs in liberated France, where robbing, raping and whoring were rife.

The liberators made a lot of noise and drank too much. They raced around in their jeeps, fought in the streets and stole. But the worst thing was their obsession with French women. They wanted sex -- some for free, some for money and some by force.

ANZEIGE

After four years of German occupation, the French greeted the US soldiers landing in Normandy on June 6, 1944 as liberators. The entire country was delirious with joy. But after only a few months, a shadow was cast over the new masters' image among the French.
By the late summer of 1944, large numbers of women in Normandy were complaining about rapes by US soldiers. Fear spread among the population, as did a bitter joke: "Our men had to disguise themselves under the Germans. But when the Americans came, we had to hide the women."

With the landing on Omaha Beach, "a veritable tsunami of male lust" washed over France, writes Mary Louise Roberts, a history professor at the University of Wisconsin, in her new book "What Soldiers Do: Sex and the American GI in World War II France." In it, Roberts scrapes away at the idealized picture of war heroes. Although soldiers have had a reputation for committing rape in many wars, American GIs have been largely excluded from this stereotype. Historical research has paid very little attention to this dark side of the liberation of Europe, which was long treated as a taboo subject in both the United States and France.

American propaganda did not sell the war to soldiers as a struggle for freedom, writes Roberts, but as a "sexual adventure." France was "a tremendous brothel," the magazine Life fantasized at the time, "inhabited by 40,000,000 hedonists who spend all their time eating, drinking (and) making love." The Stars and Stripes, the official newspaper of the US armed forces, taught soldiers German phrases like: "Waffen niederlegen!" ("Throw down your arms!"). But the French phrases it recommended to soldiers were different: "You have charming eyes," "I am not married" and "Are your parents at home?"

READ ON AT,

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/new-book-reveals-dark-side-of-american-soldiers-in-liberated-france-a-902266.html
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 11:21 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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This truly does show how sick we are.


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What's with this "we" Kimosabe?


The 'we' certainly has to include you, Finn, and most of the other posters on this thread. And of course, it includes a staggeringly large number of Americans who continue to make the same lame excuses for what are US crimes against humanity, vicious acts of terrorism, unrelenting ones that go on as we speak.

And it's not that the US is The Great Satan. It's simply that the US has committed numerous war crimes and acts of terrorism over its long history. It's that the US has never been held to account for these crimes despite US posturing that all countries need to be held to account for such actions.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 11:25 am
@Lustig Andrei,
It would be nice if one of you cowardly clowns could come up with something new, Merry. You're a newspaper guy [and here you are ignoring the truth - go figger] and the doyen of the English language, so how hard could it be for you to rework this same lame excuse y'all use.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 11:35 am
@Foofie,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
Ever hear of the Rape of Nanking (1937), the capital of China?
I dunno, but I suspect that the Chinese felt threatened by the Japs by then.


Ever hear of the Rape of the Philippines (1899), the Rape of Cuba, the Rape of Nicaragua, the Rape of Haiti, [????]
the Rape of Chile, the Rape of Guatemala, the Rape of Korea, the Rape of [fill in with any country of the 200 US illegal invasions]?
Foofie wrote:
To be fair, actual rapes in occupied WWII Germany were done by whose Army?
Not the Americans, nor the Allies. You must know the answer.
U refer to the USSR, right ?

Ordinarily, I 'd ask what was "illegal" about the alleged 200 US invasions,
but I know that it has been alleged by someone (JTT) who is mentally disabled,
possibly delusional and hence not a suitable person for genuine inquiry.





David
Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 11:41 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Yes. There was a film about it. I forgot the name. Perhaps, a reference librarian knows it? It was on DVD.

The British sector was not friendly, but not raping. The American sector treated German civilians like concerned neighbors regarding their plight in not having food, etc. No rapes. My opinion here is based on two degrees of separation.

American GI's did marry German women. Did that happen with the other Allies? I do not know.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 11:43 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
U refer to the USSR, right ?


You guys are always right there, able to spew out propaganda on a moment's notice.

If you weren't such a coward, Om, you'd be able to read the truth.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 11:49 am
@Foofie,
Quote:

http://www.iacenter.org/Koreafiles/ktc-civilnetwork.htm

19. Statistics on Crimes Committed
by US Troops in south Korea

Civil Network for a Peaceful Korea

Over 100,000 Cases of Crimes, Over 100,000 Victims

Crimes committed by US soldiers were found as early as when US troops were first stationed in south Korea. According to the south Korean government's official statistics, 50,082 crimes were committed by US soldiers from 1967 to 1998 (including those by soldiers' families), and 56,904 US soldiers were involved (including soldiers' families) in these crimes. The statistics imply that the actual figure may be higher if take into account those cases not handled by the south Korean police. Based on the statistics, the total number of crimes committed by US soldiers since September 8, 1945 (when they were first stationed in Korea) is estimated to be around 100,000. Unfortunately the south Korean government does not have statistics on US soldiers' crimes committed before 1967, because SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement) went into effect in 1967, allowing the south Korean court jurisdiction over crimes committed by US soldiers with narrow and limited application.

So, from 1945 to 1967, the US had full authority in court. south Koreans were even subjected to American rulings (of course, in English language). And during 1945-1948, when the US military government took control over the south Korean government, a judge was an active US soldier, with no jury system although the court followed American court system. Many problems aroused including language barrier, lack of cultural understanding and even prejudice on the part of the judge, unfair practices on the part of interpreters.

Study by Ministry of Justice of south Korea shows that among the 39,452 cases (45,183 US soldiers involved) of crimes committed by US soldiers from 1967 to 1987, south Korea was able to exercise its jurisdiction only in 234 cases, punishing only 351 US soldiers. Among them, 84 US soldiers were convicted of rape and 89 US soldiers were convicted of murder and robbery. Taking into account the fact that rape cases were more common before 1967, and that many rape cases were intentionally hidden and forgotten, the actual number of rape cases committed by US soldiers will be much higher than what official figures suggest.

1980, the year of civilian uprising in Kwangju alone, over 1,679 crimes committed by US soldiers were reported.

Due to the military dictator, Chun Doo Hwan’s martial law at the time, south Korea lost its jurisdiction that year. Not even a single case was handled in south Korean court.

Countless cases of rape were committed by US soldiers, including a woman gang raped by 4 soldiers' in March 1946, a 14-year-old schoolgirl raped in 1956, a daughter and a mother both raped in 1967, a woman raped by 8 soldiers in the mountains in 1971, a month pregnant teacher raped in 1986 by 5 soldiers in the middle of Team Spirit military exercise, a handicapped schoolgirl sexually harassed in 1996, and a 6-year-old girl sexually harassed in May 1997.

Gregory Henderson, who served at the US embassy in Seoul in the 1950s and 1960s, recalls in his thesis 'politically dangerous factors in US troops exercising operation & control right in Korea':

" ... Every US soldier from officer down enjoys material indulgence in Korea. Material indulgence includes abundant supply of fresh bodies of young local women."

Earnst W. Carston, a former chaplain in US military camp in Korea, also harshly criticized US soldiers in his report to the US government in October 1964: "90% of US soldiers in Korea lead immoral sex lives. On being stationed to their posts, a soldier indulges in illegal sex with prostitutes, and when returning to the US, he sells off the woman, her house, and furniture to the new arrival".

<The Korea Times>, in its June 10th 1971 edition, quoted a high-ranking military officer as saying "around 2 million foreign soldiers stayed in south Korea since the Korean war, among which 70% were venereal diseases patients as well as drug addicts".

Robert Oliver, an American adviser to former south Korean President Rhee Seong-man, once said that 2,000 US soldiers out of total 30,000 stationed in Korea were from poor class. Also, Kevin Heldman, an American freelancer writer, wrote on the Internet in September 1997 that US troops in Korea are potential criminals and losers had they stayed in the US society.

Although above comments seem to lay a blame on those less-educated soldiers from poor family background for the crimes, the crime report shows that it is the officers who are very often commit rape and robbery by faking marriages before secretly returning to the US. There is no official statistics on fake marriages, mainly because victims do not want it reported.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 11:56 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
I have always dated the start of the Second World War with the outbreak of the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937. That doesn't mean that Japan was considered an eminent threat to the United States. The Einstein-Szilard letter was sent to FDR in 1939. That there was no project called the Manhattan District Project doesn't mean that there was not a program to investigate the use of atomic fission to make a bomb.

Japan wasn't in the atomic weapons race. Germany was.
AGREED. I was just a bit taken aback to see
that u wrote:
Setanta wrote:
". . . The Manhattan Project and the British tube alloy project were initiated before the war began in Europe,
and before Japan was a threat on anyone's horizon. . . ."
Do u allege that the Manhattan Project antedated 1937??
I don't believe that it did.

It is my understanding that in the Rape of Nanking,
after accepting the Chinese surrender, the Japs separated
the 2 genders and shot all of the male citizens of all ages.

Thay then put all of the female citizens, from the lowest scrubwoman
to the highest aristocrat into brothels where their army
raped them all to death, over a period of several months.
Nanking was the capital of China, in 1937. I 've gotta believe
that the Chinese must have noticed that, on their horizon.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 12:27 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
In 'Eisenhower's Death Camps':
A U.S. Prison Guard Remembers

Martin Brech

In October 1944, at age eighteen, I was drafted into the U.S. army. Largely because of the "Battle of the Bulge," my training was cut short, my furlough was halved, and I was sent overseas immediately. Upon arrival in Le Havre, France, we were quickly loaded into box cars and shipped to the front. When we got there, I was suffering increasingly severe symptoms of mononucleosis, and was sent to a hospital in Belgium. Since mononucleosis was then known as the "kissing disease," I mailed a letter of thanks to my girlfriend.

By the time I left the hospital, the outfit I had trained with in Spartanburg, South Carolina, was deep inside Germany, so, despite my protests, I was placed in a "repo depot" (replacement depot). I lost interest in the units to which I was assigned, and don't recall all of them: non-combat units were ridiculed at that time. My separation qualification record states I was mostly with Company C, 14th Infantry Regiment, during my seventeen-month stay in Germany, but I remember being transferred to other outfits also.

In late March or early April 1945, I was sent to guard a POW camp near Andernach along the Rhine. I had four years of high school German, so I was able to talk to the prisoners, although this was forbidden. Gradually, however, I was used as an interpreter and asked to ferret out members of the S.S. (I found none.)

In Andernach about 50,000 prisoners of all ages were held in an open field surrounded by barbed wire. The women were kept in a separate enclosure that I did not see until later. The men I guarded had no shelter and no blankets. Many had no coats. They slept in the mud, wet and cold, with inadequate slit trenches for excrement. It was a cold, wet spring, and their misery from exposure alone was evident.

Even more shocking was to see the prisoners throwing grass and weeds into a tin can containing a thin soup. They told me they did this to help ease their hunger pains. Quickly they grew emaciated. Dysentery raged, and soon they were sleeping in their own excrement, too weak and crowded to reach the slit trenches. Many were begging for food, sickening and dying before our eyes. We had ample food and supplies, but did nothing to help them, including no medical assistance.

Outraged, I protested to my officers and was met with hostility or bland indifference. When pressed, they explained they were under strict orders from "higher up." No officer would dare do this to 50,000 men if he felt that it was "out of line," leaving him open to charges. Realizing my protests were useless, I asked a friend working in the kitchen if he could slip me some extra food for the prisoners. He too said they were under strict orders to severely ration the prisoners' food, and that these orders came from "higher up." But he said they had more food than they knew what to do with, and would sneak me some.

When I threw this food over the barbed wire to the prisoners, I was caught and threatened with imprisonment. I repeated the "offense," and one officer angrily threatened to shoot me. I assumed this was a bluff until I encountered a captain on a hill above the Rhine shooting down at a group of German civilian women with his .45 caliber pistol. When I asked, "Why?," he mumbled, "Target practice," and fired until his pistol was empty. I saw the women running for cover, but, at that distance, couldn't tell if any had been hit.

This is when I realized I was dealing with cold-blooded killers filled with moralistic hatred. They considered the Germans subhuman and worthy of extermination; another expression of the downward spiral of racism. Articles in the G.I. newspaper, Stars and Stripes, played up the German concentration camps, complete with photos of emaciated bodies. This amplified our self-righteous cruelty, and made it easier to imitate behavior we were supposed to oppose. Also, I think, soldiers not exposed to combat were trying to prove how tough they were by taking it out on the prisoners and civilians.

These prisoners, I found out, were mostly farmers and workingmen, as simple and ignorant as many of our own troops. As time went on, more of them lapsed into a zombie-like state of listlessness, while others tried to escape in a demented or suicidal fashion, running through open fields in broad daylight towards the Rhine to quench their thirst. They were mowed down.

Some prisoners were as eager for cigarettes as for food, saying they took the edge off their hunger. Accordingly, enterprising G.I. "Yankee traders" were acquiring hordes of watches and rings in exchange for handfuls of cigarettes or less. When I began throwing cartons of cigarettes to the prisoners to ruin this trade, I was threatened by rank-and-file G.I.s too.

The only bright spot in this gloomy picture came one night when. I was put on the "graveyard shift," from two to four a.m. Actually, there was a graveyard on the uphill side of this enclosure, not many yards away. My superiors had forgotten to give me a flashlight and I hadn't bothered to ask for one, disgusted as I was with the whole situation by that time. It was a fairly bright night and I soon became aware of a prisoner crawling under the wires towards the graveyard. We were supposed to shoot escapees on sight, so I started to get up from the ground to warn him to get back. Suddenly I noticed another prisoner crawling from the graveyard back to the enclosure. They were risking their lives to get to the graveyard for something. I had to investigate.

When I entered the gloom of this shrubby, tree-shaded cemetery, I felt completely vulnerable, but somehow curiosity kept me moving. Despite my caution, I tripped over the legs of someone in a prone position. Whipping my rifle around while stumbling and trying to regain composure of mind and body, I soon was relieved I hadn't reflexively fired. The figure sat up. Gradually, I could see the beautiful but terror-stricken face of a woman with a picnic basket nearby. German civilians were not allowed to feed, nor even come near the prisoners, so I quickly assured her I approved of what she was doing, not to be afraid, and that I would leave the graveyard to get out of the way.

I did so immediately and sat down, leaning against a tree at the edge of the cemetery to be inconspicuous and not frighten the prisoners. I imagined then, and still do now, what it would be like to meet a beautiful woman with a picnic basket under those conditions as a prisoner. I have never forgotten her face.

READ ON AT,

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p161_Brech.html

Martin Brech lives in Mahopac, New York. When he wrote this memoir essay in 1990, he was an Adjunct Professor of Philosophy and Religion at Mercy College in Dobbs Ferry, New York. Brech holds a master's degree in theology from Columbia University, and is a Unitarian-Universalist minister.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 03:21 pm
@rosborne979,
Quote:
reasoning logic wrote:

I wonder how many more answers are out there that differ from yours.



rosborne979

Quote:
Probably millions, but what you should be asking yourself is "how many other answers differ but still match historical facts and make logical sense", and how are you going to find those few shades of rational difference amidst the swarming lunacy echoing through the internet. (Hint: Know your source, and do your research)


I waited for a while to see if others were going to reply to your post and they did but in only one way and that is voting your reply up.

I think it is good that they did because your reply is a logical position to hold but what I find even more amazing is how a "tribe of people" Americans are quick to jump on the wagon of propaganda mixed with truths.

I see that you produced reason and you had no replies other than thumbs up but Setanta recites history as recorded by Americans and he got how many thumbs up and replies? Why do you think that is?

If we lived in a different country and the two of you were presenting similar ideas do think that the outcome would be much different? Meaning that the people would cling to their side of history as it was taught?
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2013 03:44 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You are, as always, tediously obtuse. I was writing of the three powers in the atomic arms race: Germany, Britain (w/Canada) and the United States. At the time that these three powers began their research into atomic fision and its possible military uses, Japan was not a threat on any ot those powers horizon.

You just want something to argue about. Find someone else.
 

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