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Afghanistan and Iraq: a retrospective (for JTT)

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2012 09:46 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
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Anything the military does is an "operation." Your argument was regarding semantics, not substance.


Don't tell me what my argument was. I know what it was. It was regarding your gross dissembling. It was your referencing a war crime as a military operation. That military operation was a war crime.

You know that and still you dissemble.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2012 09:49 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Lots of luck with convincing JTT that he is unreasonable. A few good points mixed with mostly bad ones.


I'm not trying to convince JTT of anything. Everybody is entitled to an opinion. If anything, I'm trying to show the rest of you why JTT's opinion is wrong. Convincing the opponent of the rightness of one's own opinion is not a task I feel equipped to undertake. But inasmuch as JTT can't seem to argue without injecting personal invective and hysterical hyperbole, I feel fairly comfortable about winning this one on points as long as I call JTT's bluff each time a straw man is introduced into the equation.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2012 09:52 pm
@JTT,
Again with the irrelevancies. Whether or not it was a war crime has nothing whatever to do with what I said or with what you criticized. Your post very clearly upbraided me for referring to the invasion of Iraq as an operation. You try hard to derail an argument, don't you?
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2012 10:09 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
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Whether or not it was a war crime has nothing whatever to do with what I said or with what you criticized.


You just can't stop yourself from this dissembling. Why, Merry? It was a war crime, so just call it what it is.

It has everything to do with it. I was calling you on your devious use of language and I'm calling you on your devious use once again.

JTT
 
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Reply Mon 10 Dec, 2012 10:11 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
This post is another clear example of your attempts at deception. Soon there will be another group of US war crime apologists and then y'all will go off on a 101 tangents, just like y'all did in Gracie's thread.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2012 09:22 am
@JTT,
Damn it. It's a tree!

It isn't an oak. If you continue to call it an oak then you are dissembling and devious when clearly it's a tree.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2012 01:51 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

This post is another clear example of your attempts at deception. Soon there will be another group of US war crime apologists and then y'all will go off on a 101 tangents, just like y'all did in Gracie's thread.


Wrong again, JTT. So far you're the only one who keeps going off on tangents. (Btw, I thought Robert G's first post on Gracie's thread where Gracie questioned some of your assertions is one of the finest, most honest, most thought-out political posts I have ever read on A2k and I've been a member since the site's inception.)
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2012 06:50 pm
@parados,
Here's one of those war crimes apologists now.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2012 07:28 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
This isn't a retrospective, Andrei, it's a whitewash disguised as a terribly lame attempt at being fair.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2012 07:34 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

This isn't a retrospective, Andrei, it's a whitewash disguised as a terribly lame attempt at being fair.


Wrong again (It's becoming a habit with you). I'm making no attempt whatever to be fair. I'm expressing my opinions and recognizing that that's all they are. To be fair, I'd have to look at both sides of the issue. I don't intend to. You can have your half-assed opinions and welcome to them. I have mine and I have expressed them. You disagree, fine. That's your privilege. I have no desire nor intent to try and change your mind.

**** 'fair.'
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2012 07:46 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
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Much the same is true of the claim made by the Bush administration that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. This was marginally more believable but still a very, very doubtful proposition. Most of us didn't buy it.


What is all this reminiscing about, Merry? Cut to the chase. The US illegally invaded Iraq, causing the deaths of how many, Merry? If the US was truly interested in helping these people as they loudly proclaim, there would be an interest in the number dead.

You have zero interest in discussing the tough issues.

We both know that y'all don't give a rat's ass how many Iraqis were killed.

Armed aggression against a sovereign nation is a war crime. There are innumerable war crimes that flowed from that one.

JTT
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2012 07:59 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
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I'm expressing my opinions and recognizing that that's all they are. To be fair, I'd have to look at both sides of the issue. I don't intend to.


It was pointed out to you just how out to lunch you were. That's gonna be the case when you set out to be an apologist for war crimes. That makes you a Foofie in short pants, or more likely, a skirt.

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**** 'fair.'


That's right; 'fair' would require you to be honest and that is something that we've rarely seen from you.

**** 'fair'. You don't give a **** that hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis died because of the actions of the rogue nation that is the USA.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Tue 11 Dec, 2012 08:05 pm
@JTT,
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You have zero interest in discussing the tough issues.


Correct. I don't believe I said anything different in the original post.

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We both know that y'all don't give a rat's ass how many Iraqis were killed.


No, we don't both know that. You may assume that if it makes you feel better. But I've made no statements which would warrant such an assumption.

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Armed aggression against a sovereign nation is a war crime. There are innumerable war crimes that flowed from that one.


OK, that's a defensible position. (Not necessarily true but certainly argueable.) However, nowhere did I indicate that that's what this thread is about.



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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2012 04:58 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
"Fair" means all of my people come home alive, screw those shooting at us.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2012 05:00 pm
@mysteryman,
That's more than fair, mm.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2012 05:22 pm
@mysteryman,
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"Fair" means all of my people come home alive, screw those shooting at us.


That's certainly is fair, as long as it's a war. When it's an illegal invasion, then all those actions of the invading horde are war crimes.

If the US hadn't illegally invaded those 200 countries, there wouldn't be ten million dead; there wouldn't be millions upon millions of lives wrecked; the US would be lots poorer of course because it would have been able to simply steal others wealth.

There wouldn't be bombs and landmines spread all over these countries, nor would there have been agent orange, depleted uranium or any of the other WMDs that the US likely has used.

I don't think that you have the foggiest notion of the meaning of 'fair'.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 12 Dec, 2012 06:37 pm
@JTT,

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Armed aggression against a sovereign nation is a war crime



So then the Japanese attack on pearl harbor was by your own admission a war crime?
The Chinese invasion of Nepal was a war crime?
The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was a war crime?
The British invasion of the US was a war crime?
The Japanese invasion of the Phillipines, and China, were also war crimes?
The North Korean invasion of South Korea was a war crime?

The list goes on and on, yet you seem to want to ignore these acts, that by your own admission, are war crimes. Why is that?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 16 Dec, 2012 11:54 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Afghanistan and Iraq: Merry Andrew's lame attempt at another whitewash

How does one live with himself when he knows the truth and yet he still unashamedly attempts to delude himself and others. Especially about such heinous crimes, Merry?

http://wpcomics.washingtonpost.com/client/wpc/db/2012/12/08/
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2012 09:56 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
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I didn't want to derail your anti-Pearl Harbor Day rant of a thread


With your first sentence you lie, Merry, and the lies pour forth after that. FDR planned the attack on Pearl Harbor. He sacrificed how many thousands of American lives? He set in place a war in order to secure US tramping rights in the western Pacific.

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The "reasons" we invaded Iraq were never honestly vocalized,


The "reasons" we illegally invaded sovereign Iraq, committing the ultimate war crime, were never honestly vocalized, ... .

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What, withdraw our troops just because we drove the Iraqis outof Kuwait?


After giving the Iraqis the green light to go into Kuwait. You just have no idea how dirty Bush was. You have no idea just how dirty every one of your "administrations" have been.

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I think it's a damned good thing that Saddam Hussein is dead; it simplifies certain things in the Near East. I wish it could have been accomplished with less loss of lives, both Iraqi and American, but it needed to be done.


That is thee definition of terrorism. Thank you for your frank admission that the US is the top terrorist group on the planet. Not to mention war criminals of the highest order.

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As for Afghanistan, I never had the least problem with going in there;


Another vicious set of war crimes against a sovereign nation. Tell us something we don't know, Merry. You've made it clear that you fully support the war crimes and the terrorist activities of various US governments.

And you somehow hold out that you are different than H2oman or Oralloy. Please, Merry. At least they don't disguise their evil.

I could go on, but you've done a good enough job on yourself.

mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:29 pm
@JTT,
What were the "legitimate" reasons Japan had for attacking pearl harbor?
After all, you claimed they had them.

And doesn't that attack constitute a war crime?
After all, you are the one that said any armed aggression against a sovereign nation was a war crime.
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