22
   

The moral differences between the holocaust and bombing Japan

Forums: History, Religion, Philosophy, Eisenhower Death Camps 24, Chomsky 20
Email this Topic • Print this Page
 
 
JTT
 
  -4  
Reply Wed 7 Aug, 2013 09:25 pm
@Ticomaya,
Quote:
I was wrong once.


That would have been your birth.
0 Replies
 
neologist
 
  2  
Reply Wed 7 Aug, 2013 09:50 pm
@JTT,
As compared to a greater evil
0 Replies
 
oralloy
 
  2  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 01:36 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
What do you think are the moral differences between the holocaust and the bombings of the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

The Holocaust massacred innocent people for the sole purpose of massacring innocent people.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were wartime strikes against military targets in a just war of self defense against a brutal enemy that was deliberately massacring innocent people and was refusing to surrender and end their reign of terror.
oralloy
 
  4  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 01:48 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
If and when someone uses the a bomb on us will it only be the idiots that are not able to understand the reasons why it needed to be done?

Can you tell the moral difference between:

a) a police officer shooting a criminal to prevent that criminal from committing a horrendous crime

and

b) a criminal shooting a police officer to prevent that police officer from interfering with the commission of a horrendous crime

?
0 Replies
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 02:02 am

There was nothing rong with boming Japan.
That is the difference.





David
0 Replies
 
farmerman
 
  4  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 05:17 am
An excellent piece of work Set. Im in awe of the fund of knowledge you bring to so many discussions of history. The compilation of all the unconnected facts (seemingly), you've brought together in a readable yet scholarly fashion.

RL, If yu feel that you've got something to add, you should try to provide an argument of similar scholarship rather than presenting your five foot bookshelf of irrelevant videos.

Are you trying to amass some position for a school project? (From your tone in this and other of your contributions, I figure that you are a middle school student whose been mesmerized by a teacher)


Potsdam wasn't going to allow Japan to "Sue for peace" after the level of atrocities theyd commited on the world. They had to be smashed so their wae machine couldn't be resurrected at a later date.



History is the compilation of facts.
0 Replies
 
reasoning logic
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 07:08 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
The Holocaust massacred innocent people for the sole purpose of massacring innocent people.


You do not think that in the eyes of many Germans that the Jews had done wrong?
reasoning logic
 
  -3  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 07:17 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
You are delusional if you still think, after all this time, that i'm going to waste an hour of my life on some bullshit you dredged up at youtube.


Yea you are probably correct, "what could a young person who has a PhD in history be able to teach you about delusions? Rolling Eyes
neologist
 
  3  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 07:28 am
@reasoning logic,
You do not, by any chance, have a commission from the
Iranian government, do you?
Aryan Nation?
Your arguments have a familiar sound
reasoning logic
 
  0  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 07:42 am
@neologist,
Quote:
You do not, by any chance, have a commission from the
Iranian government, do you?
Aryan Nation?
Your arguments have a familiar sound


No I do not, Isn't the Aryan Nation a Christian movement?
tsarstepan
 
  3  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 08:04 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Historians who write reliable histories provide sources for their work. It is in a section after the main body called the bibliography. They also footnote their work, making reference to the source of their claims, usually in reference to the bibliographical entries. If you read something in a book, and the author doesn't have a source for it, you should consider it suspect unless and until you have read further and found confirmation for it.

This is why i have told you more than once that the kind of crap you pick up at youtube is no substitute for formal education.

This needs to become your new mantra (albeit a very long one) Reasoning Logic.
neologist
 
  4  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 08:07 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

Quote:
You do not, by any chance, have a commission from the
Iranian government, do you?
Aryan Nation?
Your arguments have a familiar sound


No I do not, Isn't the Aryan Nation a Christian movement?
You would prefer the Islamic view, then?
tsarstepan
 
  3  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 08:08 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Yes, i know it would be excruciating agony for you to read one book, let alone several....

That's the ONLY way one can get the answer to this question. Go to the main branch of a city or university library, ask the librarian in the history department on the best books from multiple perspectives (US, Japan, a neutral third party country, etc...). Read and compare the books and sources as listed in the footnotes and bibliography. Formulate an more educated opinion when the reading and analytical digestion is done.
0 Replies
 
roger
 
  6  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 08:16 am
reasoning logic wrote:

You do not think that in the eyes of many Germans that the Jews had done wrong?


reasoning logic wrote:

Yea you are probably correct, "what could a young person who has a PhD in history be able to teach you about delusions? Rolling Eyes


No comment, you know? I just wanted to see these two posts together.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 08:23 am
@roger,
It might be worthwhile noting, if only for RL's benefit, that just because someone claims to have a Phd in History doesn't mean they have one. Also, not all Phds are alike, not every university has a brilliant reputation.
Below viewing threshold (view)
roger
 
  2  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 08:55 am
@reasoning logic,
History major, then, but also a PhD in the subject. Awesome.
reasoning logic
 
  -4  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 08:55 am
@neologist,
Quote:
You would prefer the Islamic view, then?


I know some Islamic people who are good people, I just think that they have delusions like other religions do.
neologist
 
  3  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 08:56 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
It might be worthwhile noting, if only for RL's benefit, that just because someone claims to have a Phd in History doesn't mean they have one. Also, not all Phds are alike, not every university has a brilliant reputation.
Quite true, Izzy.
Piled
Higher and
Deeper
0 Replies
 
neologist
 
  2  
Reply Thu 8 Aug, 2013 09:01 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
I know some Islamic people who are good people, I just think that they have delusions like other religions do.
I see your point. Are you saying your delusions are more or less pronouced then, let's say, Al Quaeda or Aryan Nations?
 

Related Topics

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY, EVERYONE! - Discussion by OmSigDAVID
WIND AND WATER - Discussion by Setanta
The real reason why Dec 7 is a day of infamy - Discussion by JTT
Who ordered the construction of the Berlin Wall? - Discussion by Walter Hinteler
You can go back in time and prevent a great catastrophe. Which one would you prevent? - Discussion by BumbleBeeBoogie
True version of Vlad Dracula, 15'th century - Discussion by gungasnake
ONE SMALL STEP . . . - Discussion by Setanta
History's worst villains: Edward III and the Black Prince - Discussion by gungasnake
History of Gun Control - Discussion by gungasnake
How many people has the United States killed in your lifetime? - Discussion by Robert Gentel
Where did our notion of a 'scholar' come from? - Discussion by TuringEquivalent
 
  1. Forums
  2. » The moral differences between the holocaust and bombing Japan
  3. » Page 3
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.04 seconds on 05/10/2024 at 07:45:40
▲ ▼