Where did our notion of a 'scholar' come from?

I'm sorry that you think scholars are not needed to "run the government, fight enemy, or farming the land."

What is your first language?

You've really gone to school on this question haven't you.

why so sorry? what is your second language?

It's just that you are obviously not a native speaker of English. It would be helpful to know where you are coming from.

Does it matter? This is a history forum. I want to think about history. If you don` t understand, fine. Don` t comment.

Hey, I was being kind to you. You wrote in an illiterate fashion. I thought perhaps you were foreign born. Now I see that you are a small-minded idiot. Want a second opinion? You're rude.

Turing was in many ways a wretched man, I hope he is not your view of a scholar.
As to your analysis I'm afraid it is just warmed-over Ayn Rand in its assumptions. The book that probably started my conversion was by her and I read it when I was taking a Statistics course years ago. It was called 'For the New Intellectual" and it still holds the record with me of the most unfair book ever written.

I do agree with your favorable view of Judaism however.

If there's a specific "class" of people, who have been ordained to "study" for their living ( i.e. Torah scholars), why should others be discriminated against and prohibited from earning a living by studying night and day?

Why not allow everyone to study night and day? By the way, who's paying the bills, while the "scholars" are studying?

Moreover, why is this "studying" you're referring to, both a "gender-specific" activity and apparently a "class-specific" activity?

You are not a student of history, you are making up your own history. For instance, the "hunter-gather" meme is baloney. People have always lived in villages and planted gardens.

If you want to study something, the first step is to look up what the words mean so you know what you are talking about without making up anything. "Scholar" is simply one who attends a school, or studies a lot. In ancient Greece they had schools to teach slaves to perform useful skills.

The modern notion of a scholar is connected with the academic system. That originated in Akademos, a sacred grove near Athens, dedicated to the goddess of wisdom. Yes, we are talking about a pagan religion. Members claimed ownership of all knowledge, by which they meant stuff they made up by their own human reasoning. Practical knowledge was for servants and tradesmen. The most famous member was Aristotle, whose name is still a synonym for "arrogant jerk". For two thousand years nobody studied science; they studied Aristotle.

"Scholarship" has two meanings. One is the continuing act of studying. The other is money given to support a scholar. When my daughter finished high school she was accepted into a summer program in a foreign country, which basically meant an extended vist with a family living there. She had to pay her own air fare to get there. I gave her the money. The high school principle announced this at the graduation ceremony, but he did not say "Her father paid for the trip," he said "She has her scholarship now." That sounds much classier in academic cirles.

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The Atapuerca site in N Spain would argue against that assumption. It was clearly a small family group in several limestone caves (Occupation dates around 1.2 my-750 Ky. This is a "hunter gatherer" site where the folks engaged in cannibalism.
Hunting, and hunting/gathering has graced us with artifacts learly all of points, blades, pebble axes, etc. Cave art honored the spirits of the wild animals they used for prey, (cf Lascaux,Altamira,Chauvet. )None of the art galleries of paleolithic and early mesolithic "airbrush" doesnt show any vegetables or grains, only herds of big tasty hoofed animals(with some pries f lions in the Chauvet caves).

Yes Virginia , there wasa hunter gatherer culture before the "Village People" arrived. Your disdain of "cholars" is the same as this presidents disdain of anything that smacks of expertise. Hes got a whol herd of non-climate scientists posing as tudied scholars with xpertise IN climate sciences.

A physicist is NOT a climate scientist no matter what the administration asserts. No more than a climate scientist is an xpert on genetics.

I would love to argue with you but your spelling is so poor I'm not sure what you are saying.

I know, Im really a fool who thinks that all people are smart enough to decipher my "mal- orthography". I should really use the spell check but alas, Im always in a hurry and Ive got some other shortcomings .However, since my previous post only had about 4 misspellings and the actual jargon terms (the names of the Paleolithic cave art sites) were all correct, and, were you informed sufficiently Im sure you could have muddled your way and understood my point (That there was indeed a hunter gatherer culture that varied in age from +50K ybp to as young as 9K ybp (the paleo indian culture of the US was a hunter gatherer culture till about 8K ybp)

Your argument about "there were always villages" IMHO, is without an understanding of how ancient cultures were analyzed by paleo anthropologists.


I always have had pity for people who only had one way to spell a word. Member Om Sig DAVID? He always was a fan of phonetic spelling. I always ridiculed him but he did make a good point about it , specially for a board like this on here people of many languages pop in and out.

Is English not your first language?

I very doubt that Spanish cave dwellers had any scholars. You are off your own topic!

UHH, I was responding to your post in which you brought up the incorrect assertion ,as follows,
Before you(incorrectly) criticize others scholarship, take care of your own.