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Is that stuff that JTT says about America true?

 
 
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 02:45 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

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Thomas was nice enough to offer to tutor her on historical American atrocities, but she apparently has declined his offer.


Not only Gracie, Finn. For her - though exceedingly bright, she's still only a 13 year old - it's understandable. For the "adults" here, it's completely incomprehensible, albeit understandable.


Would you care to edit that post, JTT? I believe there's a contradiction in terms somewhere in that last phrase. (For myself, I've never known anything 'incomprehensible' to be 'understandable.')
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 02:57 pm
@thack45,
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It sounds like a military strategy developed in 1996.


Shock and Awe had nothing to do with a military strategy. It served only to pander to the mindless group of American citizens who are, for some odd reason, brought to near orgasm by the thought of their government blowing yet another group of dark skinned foreigners to smithereens.

Why, why oh why, would a government that was purportedly seeking to save the oppressed bomb them into oblivion? And this is the norm. See Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Korea, Japan, ... .

Layla Anwar knows.

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SEPTEMBER 2, 2010

Vomiting Perfidy.
Since yesterday I have been vomiting my insides out...

My first bout of vomit came after I read a transcript of your President's speech, his speech to the "nation". Because you consider yourselves a nation ?!

It started off with an uneasiness felt in the pit of my stomach, then quickly transformed itself into a queasiness, then into a foul nausea, only to erupt like a dammed out volcano into violent throes of pure vomit...

I have over the past 20 years or so, developed a high intolerance to perfidy and you throughout your history have excelled in perfecting what I am most allergic to...

You literally make me sick.

Change - you clamored like a herd of sheep, while munching, ruminating like cattle every word that is fed to you...Black and White, even those retards who call themselves American Arabs and Muslims rejoiced at Uncle Tom's arrival to the White House.

Oh the "principled", "moralistic" prudish puritanical perverts called Americans, always showing up late for change...always jumping on the bandwagon, when the train has already passed...

The peace loving war mongers of the new world order is what you are. Fake and ignorant to the bone.

So you pride yourselves on being "a good people", a "compassionate" "sharing caring hugging" people -- nothing but Perfidy.

For 20 years, I witnessed my country, the land of my father, my mother, my ancestors, disintegrate before my very eyes...20 ******* years. 20 ******* years.

Twenty years of people -- first withering, wilting away, like flowers never allowed to see the light, never allowed to turn their faces to the sun, then from fading into shadows, faltering into a colorless background...bombed, massacred, slaughtered into a nothingness...the same nothingness that inhabits you daily...the same nothingness that makes you rush to your shrink, the same nothingness that you feed with your junk, the same nothingness that you fill with your consumer products...the same nothingness of your void, of the pit, the deep pit that you all live in, and I throw up some more, from the pits of my belly....

So you "sacrificed" for us, so you liberated us from "tyranny", so you "lived up to your responsibilities" --- like you did in Falluja, Haditha, Mahmoudiya, Baghdad, Basra, Mosul, Ramadi...¨"kill the motherfuckers" you shouted...and your wives masturbated to your love letters, or shed a few tears while waving that infamous flag...the flag of a degenerate, decaying country that has offered nothing but murder, carnage and mayhem...

You liberated us from "dictatorship" with 5 times the size of a Hiroshima and a Nagasaki...you liberated us until there was no space left in our morgues, and 7 and half years later, we still search for the dead...you liberated us until our streets turned into pools of blood, and mosques became torture dungeons where those hajjis were having their eyes plucked out and their flesh drilled, you liberated us so we can be abducted, raped and murdered for a 1000$ or for wearing lipstick...you liberated us so our bodies can float on the Tigris and Euphrates, mutilated unrecognizable...you liberated us alright...stuffing us in prisons cells, covering us with your piss and excrements, or handing us to your mercenaries and your pimps and whores in turbans, while you fucked the prostitutes specially brought to you in your Green Fortress... and while the rest of us lived in walled ghettos that you constructed for us...

You liberated us alright...and you lived up to your principles, your ideals and your responsibilities...

But I do grant you one thing, you computerized, digitalized death for us...you see, thanks to you our morgue is now equipped with the latest technology, so 7 years down the line, we can finally go and find the corpse of a loved one, maybe. We even got numbers, serial numbers, you are serial killers and we get serial numbers...

We carry numbers wherever we go, number on our passports, on our ID cards, on our prison bracelets, and even on our dead bodies...the numbers follow us to the cemeteries, we got plenty of them today...all this reconstruction money, we built cemeteries with...well not quite, you stole the money...billions of dollars, so we turned gardens and parks into graveyards...our children play there, amidst the wailing of mothers in perpetual grief...

You are indeed a brave people...a noble, brave people. See, all what you've done for us! Your generosity will be recorded in history annals...and you will be used as a historical example, a model of a country and a people of great integrity -- just like the New Iraq model.

Those of us who could not handle this overflowing compassion from you (as your stinking alternative press likes us to believe - Americans are compassionate people), flew away...escaped the milk of human kindness, carrying a few documents and memories, wounds and scars stacked in suitcases...with no destination...

A permanent exile has become our abode...a new geographical location not found on any map...carrying our selves like some overburdening, heavy bundle, struggling to make ends meet, struggling to survive, struggling not to become insane, struggling not be engulfed by that nothingness of yours...

Scratching humanity with our nails...trying to find it, digging with our bare hands, sometimes wishing that we were buried there, alongside our loved ones...sometimes wishing we were never born, sometimes crying in our solitude, sometimes screaming in our nightmares, sometimes numbing ourselves so we can match your nothingness...

Most of the time, confused, lost and bewildered...still unable to grasp what has befallen us, in the name of Freedom...other times engrossed with story after story of endless suffering and misery inflicted by you...with stories of relatives and friends lost in dungeons of Democracy, with stories of monsters being born in the land of Freedom, with stories of disease and illnesses nesting into our DNA and becoming part of our make up, of our being...infiltrating the very essence of us, of our soil, our air, our water...

Story after story...image after image -- wheelchairs, amputations, limbs lost, eyes lost, fingers lost, a child dying, a woman raped and killed, a man tortured to death...story after story of -- poverty, disease, need, neglect, abandonment...story after story of an eternal fatigue that has settled upon us like a blanket...

I watch in my head, in my imagination, in my memory, the river Tigris flowing on a summer eve right at sunset...when the air is cooler (and when there was electricity and drinking water), I watch the river flow, calmly, silently, peacefully...nothing obstructs it, it just flows and I close my eyes and imagine myself flowing with it, in it...to an unknown destination...only in these moments do I find real tranquility...during those seconds, when I am transported there, by that river where everything grew and took shape...from the dawn of Time...

I go back in time thousands of years, when you were non existent, when you had no name, no shape and no color...and I find myself...I find myself and I find Iraq.

This is the only consolation I can give to myself - that even in the buckets of vomit wrought out from my guts, I can still find Her and me.

But you can't.


http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/2010/09/vomiting-perfidy.html


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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 03:01 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
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Would you care to edit that post, JTT? I believe there's a contradiction in terms somewhere in that last phrase. (For myself, I've never known anything 'incomprehensible' to be 'understandable.')


After that post of mine, Merry, first there was Gunga, then Bill then you. Go back and read your [that's the plural 'you'] posts.

If you still can't grasp the meaning, it will only serve to confirm that language has never been your long suit.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 03:09 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

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Would you care to edit that post, JTT? I believe there's a contradiction in terms somewhere in that last phrase. (For myself, I've never known anything 'incomprehensible' to be 'understandable.')


After that post of mine, Merry, first there was Gunga, then Bill then you. Go back and read your [that's the plural 'you'] posts.

If you still can't grasp the meaning, it will only serve to confirm that language has never been your long suit.


Well, perhaps not English.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 03:31 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Quote:
Well, perhaps not English.


If you realize this, why do you persist with your nonsense, Merry, especially this type of stuff? It illustrates exactly what I was saying, doesn't it? Care to fill us in on how ashamed that makes you feel, "adult" Merry?
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 03:36 pm
@JTT,
I've got just three words for you, JTT. Hint: they're not "Happy New Year."
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 29 Dec, 2011 03:52 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Surprise, surprise, Merry. That same ole "adult" response that so many of you have become famous for.

Happy New Year, Merry.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 09:28 pm
@Setanta,
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it's about whether or not what JTT peddles is true, that's what she asked.


Then why have you, one who frequently whines about off topic posts, been nothing but off topic?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 09:44 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Andy, It's useless trying to discuss anything with somebody who thinks they are perfect humans. He's been throwing stones in 100% of his posts against the US, because he's such a freak'n bore, and doesn't understand any history of all the so-called heads of states in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East.

He gets his jollies for lambasting the US. A ****'n bore.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 09:55 pm
@GracieGirl,
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What do you want us to do JTT? How are we suppose to stop it?


I'm sorry for not answering you sooner, Gracie. I just saw your replies today. I thought you had abandoned this thread.

These atrocities, which have been going on for well over a century, Gracie, go on only because the American people allow it. You said that your American History teacher had never heard of these events.

Ask yourself, how is such a thing possible!

You said that your father also didn't believe it or didn't know the actual history of the US. I forget which it was.

Ask yourself, how is such a thing possible!

The first thing is information. Not the propaganda that you've heard all your life, not the propaganda that prevents almost every "adult" that has visited this thread from dealing honestly with these vitally important issues.

Ramsey Clark, the Attorney General for President Carter says,

"The United States is not nearly so concerned that its acts be kept secret
from its intended victims as it is that the American people not know of them.”

Again, ask yourself how it has been possible for such unimaginable atrocities to have been kept hidden.

If and when these events are accurately described the large majority of good Americans, the ones who you believe are the majority, will rise up and demand an end to these brutal actions against innocents around the world.



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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 09:56 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I think that you wouldn't even have to try very hard, Finn, and you could come up with an even more despicable posting.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:01 pm
@GracieGirl,
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Who are the presidents that we should hold to account?


As with any situation involving criminals, start with the biggest ones. That would be Bush Jr and Dick Cheney and then Bush Sr.

Every US president since WWII has committed war crimes/terrorist acts.

I don't recommend prosecuting the dead ones. Smile
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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and doesn't understand any history of all the so-called heads of states in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East.


Compare that to folks like you, CI, who know virtually nothing about the sordid history of their own nation and upon learning but a small portion of it, go into the most unbelievable childish forms of denial.

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But yes, JTT is right that America is guilty of a lot of bad things, and also right that we should talk about them more than we do.


Consider just how much talking about those "bad things" has gone on. How much talking have you done, CI?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 08:02 pm
@GracieGirl,
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What do you want us to do JTT? How are we suppose to stop it?


Here's an excellent way, GG. It's a group of Americans, those good ones that you described, who organized to stop the genocide that the Reagan government was perpetrating upon the people of Nicaragua.

http://www.witnessforpeace.org/

GracieGirl
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 08:06 pm
@JTT,
Hmmm, havent been on this thread in awhile.

Did it work?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 08:32 pm
@GracieGirl,
Sadly, no, GG, it hasn't. Witness Iraq and Afghanistan. And it's not just what has passed during what is euphemistically known as the "war" period. For example, in Iraq during the 1990s, half a million Iraqi children died because of a US led embargo.

American politicians were on record saying that a million or so Afghan deaths was okay as long as the US could hand the USSR its own Vietnam. Such callous disregard for the lives of poor innocents the world over is, again, sadly the norm for successive US administrations.

EDIT: In the immediate sense, GG, it has worked wonders. With Witnesses for Peace present in villages, the US trained and financed terrorists leave the villagers alone.
GracieGirl
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 09:01 pm
@JTT,
Im sorry JTT, but I dont really understand. Im trying to though...

I looked up embargo and that means you cant move ships right? So all those little kids died because the US military people didnt move their ships? How could that have hurt all those kids? And why would we do that if we knew kids in Iraq would get hurt? What did the US want?

The US said it was okay as long as the US could give the Soviet Union its own Vietnam? What does that mean? Vietnam like the country?

Anyway, yeah, that sucks. That's really really sad. Sad How come we dont like Iraq? Why are we always fighting with them and stuff? Was that crazy dude that blew up the Twin Towers from Iraq or something?

Is it true that lots of other countries dont like America? Is it because we have lots of war crimes and stuff like you said? Or is it because we're a better country or what?

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 09:30 pm
@GracieGirl,
Do they not teach in school anymore how to find information? Or is it that you are too lazy to do the work?
GracieGirl
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 09:41 pm
@hawkeye10,
Whatever, dude. Rolling Eyes

Dont you have a job, or hobby or something else you could be doing with your time?

Get a life grandpa and leave me alone or your new names gonna be blackeye.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 09:45 pm
@GracieGirl,
Shocked Laughing Cool
 

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