You didn't address any "issues" JTT, you just went on a copy and paste rant without addressing any real disagreement we have. I said that it is not true that America kills "for no reason" and went on to say that sometimes the reasons were wrongheaded, self-serving and fundamentally immoral. You disagreed with this but not in any material
way, you simply thought I was whitewashing it because I didn't adopt your screeching, hyperbolic tone
. That's not an issue worthy to address; of whether I have the requisite amount of foam on my mouth to satisfy you. If I don't act as crazy as you, you say it's a "diversion", ignoring that I happen to agree with you for the most part.
We don't disagree about the politics, we disagree on the amount of bat-**** crazy that the forum should be inflicted with. I'm with you on the politics, I'm just not on board with the jackass quotient you require in going about expressing it.
I have criticized the same things you have on multiple occasions. My failing, in your eyes, is merely in that I don't go around like a jackass trying to force people to talk about it and to express the same sheer amount of emotive instability about it. There is no point to that, you do your purported cause no good if your interlocutors can't abide said interlocution. You justify this boorish behavior to yourself on the basis of the great wrong you feel you are exposing and think you do good work but you do it precious little good by being so hysterical about it. If your message is so important then the messenger should find a way to communicate it. You think it's simply all denial (not that that doesn't play a role, but that's not really what you face) and refuse to accept that it's your personality that is what is acutely off-putting.
Like it has already been said, the best way to try to change it is to appeal to the good Americans. Not to just try to vilify and create a caricature of America the Great Satan and come across as a wild-eyed lunatic. That is not the way to get your message across, and you appear to believe it is very important to do so. If you think your message is important to get across, you are going to have to figure out how these human beings tend to work, and how to effectively communicate with them.
Let's not mince word. America has done simply awful things. America continues to do awful things (I want the Nobel committee to ask for Obama's Peace Prize back, I want Obama to be tossed from office for being elected on an anti-war sentiment and proceeding to escalate the warfare). I am no apologist for any of this, JTT. I consider my American nationality incidental, I have lived in over 10 countries and choose not to live in America. I am not a nationalist of any nation. I criticize them all without reserve (ask anyone here, if there's a nation well-represented here they've heard me criticize it irreverently).
What we disagree on is your behavior
, JTT. Not the politics
. You hijack moral causes to justify the way you behave with others on this forum, using their moral cover to deflect from the wholly insupportable way in which you conduct yourself on this forum. And it's a damn shame for folks like me, who care about the same things you do, because you manage to make the very message you are trying to get across easier to ignore as the lunacy of the extreme.
You aren't ignored because of your message, your message is ignored because of you.