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Is that stuff that JTT says about America true?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 09:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Do they not teach in school anymore how to find information? Or is it that you are too lazy to do the work?


Aren't you a laugh, Hawkeye? Gracie is at the top of her class, she's been advanced because of her smarts.

What has fueled your abysmal ignorance for all these years, the lack of an education with any measure of honesty or your own laziness?

Care to fill Gracie in using all your research skills and your "education"?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 09:52 pm
@JTT,
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Aren't you a laugh, Hawkeye? Gracie is at the top of her class, she's been advanced because of her smarts.


I have no way to verify that info, nor do I see any indication that it is true.

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Care to fill Gracie in using all your research skills and your "education"

No, and I dont recommend that anyone else do it either.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 09:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
f*cking grow up, jackass.

how infantile is this gonna get?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 09:57 pm
@GracieGirl,
I'm sorry for not making things more clear, GG.

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I looked up embargo and that means you cant move ships right? So all those little kids died because the US military people didnt move their ships? How could that have hurt all those kids? And why would we do that if we knew kids in Iraq would get hurt? What did the US want?


All these issues are very complicated - the historical background is long and tortuous and I can understand that you have a lot of questions. Please feel free to ask as many as you want.

Let's take this one step at a time. Here is an explanation for you on this first issue. It's very succinct in describing what the US and the UK did to the people of Iraq.

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Why We Ignored Iraq in the 1990s

by John Pilger

Even before the 2003 war, we were attacking Iraqi civilians with our inhumane economic sanctions. Yet where were the media protesting against this injustice?

In October 1999, I stood in a ward of dying children in Baghdad with Denis Halliday, who the previous year had resigned as assistant secretary general of the United Nations. He said: "We are waging a war through the United Nations on the people of Iraq. We're targeting civilians. Worse, we're targeting children . . . What is this all about?"

Halliday had been 34 years with the UN. As an international civil servant much respected in the field of "helping people, not harming them," as he put it, he had been sent to Iraq to implement the oil-for-food programme, which he subsequently denounced as a sham. "I am resigning," he wrote, "because the policy of economic sanctions is . . . destroying an entire society. Five thousand children are dying every month. I don't want to administer a programme that satisfies the definition of genocide."

Halliday's successor, Hans von Sponeck, another assistant secretary general with more than 30 years' service, also resigned in protest. Jutta Burghardt, the head of the World Food Programme in Iraq, followed them, saying she could no longer tolerate what was being done to the Iraqi people. Their collective action was unprecedented; yet it received only passing media attention. There was no serious inquiry by journalists into their grave charges against the British and American governments, which in effect ran the embargo. Von Sponeck's disclosure that the sanctions restricted Iraqis to living on little more than $100 a year was not reported. "Deliberate strangulation," he called it. Neither was the fact that, up to July 2002, more than $5bn worth of humanitarian supplies, which had been approved by the UN sanctions committee and paid for by Iraq, were blocked by George W Bush, with Tony Blair's backing. They included food products, medicines and medical equipment, as well as items vital for water and sanitation, agriculture and education.

The cost in lives was staggering. Between 1991 and 1998, reported Unicef, 500,000 Iraqi children under the age of five died. "If you include adults," said Halliday, "the figure is now almost certainly well over a million." In 1996, in an interview on the American current affairs programme 60 Minutes, Madeleine Albright, then US ambassador to the UN, was asked: "We have heard that half a million children have died . . . is the price worth it?" Albright replied, "We think the price is worth it." The television network CBS has since refused to allow the videotape of that interview to be shown again, and the reporter will not discuss it.

Read on at,

http://www.lewrockwell.com/pilger/pilger16.html
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
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No, and I dont recommend that anyone else do it either.


Why might that be, Mr Honesty?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:02 pm
@Rockhead,
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how infantile is this gonna get?


Not at all, Rocky, if you deal in the facts. Gracie has expressed a desire to do so. Why wouldn't any rational adult not want to do that?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:04 pm
@JTT,
gracie has asked him, and told him to leave her be, and yet he can't leave her alone when she stops in for a bit.

I think he's jealous of the attention she gets, jtt.

but it is very juvenile at the least...
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:06 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

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No, and I dont recommend that anyone else do it either.


Why might that be, Mr Honesty?


She has to want to know bad enough to be willing to do some work to find out, failing that throwing information at her is a waste of time, nothing is going to stick.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
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She has to want to know bad enough to be willing to do some work to find out, failing that throwing information at her is a waste of time, nothing is going to stick.


You know that to be false, Hawk. Consider how much of a lifetime of propaganda has stuck with you and all the others who now can't face reality.

You really are scared shitless about finding out the truth, aren't you?

Show us your research skills, Hawkeye?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:21 pm
@Rockhead,
I don't think that GG would have much of a problem handling Hawkeye. He's just trying to divert attention away from the very issues that Gracie want to discuss.

What affect could Hawkeye have if you address the things GG wants to learn about?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:22 pm
@JTT,
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You know that to be false, Hawk. Consider how much of a lifetime of propaganda has stuck with you and all the others who now can't face reality.


Reality and the advertised story sold by those pushing their agenda are not equivalent. One requires dedication to know, the other laziness in order to think that we believe.

You JTT are suffering from logic fail
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:24 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Reality and the advertised story sold by those pushing their agenda are not equivalent. One requires dedication to know, the other laziness in order to think that we believe.


Okay, so stop with the mumbo jumbo and address the issues in the article by John Pilger. You have read it, haven't you? Be honesty now, Mr Honesty.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:25 pm
@JTT,
maybe you're not that familiar with him.

everywhere he posts, it becomes all about him.

Boring.

and gracie has asked him nicely to not post on her threads.

end of story...
GracieGirl
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:26 pm
@JTT,
Oh gosh. So that's what you meant by 'embargo'. The US didnt let people in Iraq get food and medicine and stuff, right? And it said that there was supposed to be a oil for food program but it didnt happen. So, the US was gonna give Iraq food and stuff it they gave us oil? Thats what Iraq has that we want? Oil?

American soldiers are doing all this stuff right? People in the military and armies? How come they dont talk about all that stuff that happens in war when they come home? I've never even heard about America doing war crimes and stuff. How did you find out? Did America ever hurt your country too?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
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You JTT are suffering from logic fail


Your desperation is showing. Aren't you the least bit concerned what that is doing to your reputation as Mr Honesty, Hawk?
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GracieGirl
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:27 pm
@Rockhead,
Wink Smile Very Happy
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:27 pm
@Rockhead,
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and gracie has asked him nicely to not post on her threads.


I dont allow others to tell me what to do as I decide what I do...a point that I have made directly to you multiple times. You know this of course.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:30 pm
@GracieGirl,
if we all pretend he's not here, he'll go bother someone else...
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GracieGirl
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:34 pm
Thanks JTT and Rocky! Very Happy You guys are awesome, but I dont really care about hawkeye. He doesnt bother me. When I see his stupid posts I just roll my eyes and move on, Lol. Let's just ignore him. Smile
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2012 10:44 pm
@GracieGirl,
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Thats what Iraq has that we want? Oil?


That has been the case in the Middle East for a long long time, GG. After WWII, the US and the UK overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran because the new leader wanted the benefits from their oil to help the Iranian people instead of enriching western oil companies.

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American soldiers are doing all this stuff right? People in the military and armies? How come they dont talk about all that stuff that happens in war when they come home? I've never even heard about America doing war crimes and stuff. How did you find out? Did America ever hurt your country too?


Yes, the US military has done much harm over the last century. It's not talked about because it's not something people want to discuss. It doesn't
mesh with the idea that Americans are fed from a very young age, that the US is a kind and benevolent country.

But some of the greatest harm comes from the US training military personnel from other countries who then work with the US to help steal the wealth from their own countries in exchange for being supported as the "government" of X country.

Here's a good description of how the US has done this to numerous Central and South American countries.

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The CIA
America's Premier International
(and Domestic) Terrorist Organization
(But with strong competition from Pentagon Special Ops)

...

CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment.

So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination.

These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator's security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists" [or these days "terrorists"] but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

— Steve Kangas: Timeline of CIA Atrocities

http://www.serendipity.li/cia.html




Anyone can find these things out, GG. Virtually all the material comes from US government sources through freedom of information legislation.

The stuff you hear on TV, the stuff you read in the newspaper is all carefully filtered to give a badly skewed idea of what is really going on around the world.




 

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