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Is that stuff that JTT says about America true?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 09:43 pm
@izzythepush,
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Using a WMD to force an implacable foe to surrender is one thing.


That's wrong on at least two counts, Izzy.

Japan was not the implacable foe US politicians made it out to be. That was pure after the fact rationalization for the inhumane act they perpetrated not once but twice, after having spent months committing other war crimes with their firebombing of Japanese cities.

A country cannot resort to war crimes in order to shorten a war. Firebombing and using atomic bombs were war crimes, the latter was simply a political game played by a group of highly immoral people, and I use 'people' reservedly.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 09:50 pm
@Thomas,
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Are there any concrete atrocities you'd like us to discuss with you in more detail?


Break a leg, Thomas.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 10:19 pm
@JTT,
I often agreed with JTT when I paid attention. On the other hand, I think JTT will work up a blast against pancakes, given a thread window, so occasionally I'd demur.

I consider his or her posting behavior as repetitive assault and battery.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 10:32 pm
@ossobuco,
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On the other hand, I think JTT will work up a blast against pancakes,


How generous of you, Osso, to equate the lives of millions of innocents slaughtered by the US around the world to 'pancakes'.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 10:55 pm
@JTT,
You do not know me at all. I probably had most of your views before you did. Your routine bores me. You d0 a repetitive insult-athon.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 11:02 pm
@ossobuco,
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You do not know me at all.


On the contrary, Osso. You have exhibited your ignorance numerous times.

On grammar, it matters little.

On this topic, real human beings are being badly brutalized as you dither on your many tangents.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 11:12 pm
@JTT,
It is true that I don't say my opinions repeatedly, on and on forever on multiple threads, whether or not they are related.. I have seen no use for that.
You, on the other hand, are a pest to be dismissed.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 02:38 am
@JTT,
Remember Japan started the war, the battle of Okinawa showed how many allied lives would be lost in an attack on the home islands.

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The battle has been referred to as the "Typhoon of Steel" in English and tetsu no ame 鉄の雨 "iron rain" or kou no kaze 鋼の風 "steel wind" in Japanese. The nicknames refer to the ferocity of the fighting, the intensity of kamikaze attacks from the Japanese defenders, and to the sheer numbers of Allied ships and armored vehicles that assaulted the island. The battle resulted in the highest number of casualties in the Pacific Theater during World War II. Japan lost over 100,000 troops killed, captured or committed suicide, and the Allies suffered more than 65,000 casualties of all kinds.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 09:39 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Firebombing and using atomic bombs were war crimes, the latter was simply a political game played by a group of highly immoral people, and I use 'people' reservedly.

The rules changed when the V-2 started hitting London. And, it was imperative to shorten the war, since the Soviet Union was coming into the war against Japan. That might have set up a future war, since it was conceivable for the Soviet Union to want land from the Japanese, upon their surrender. Remember, Russia was humiliated in the Russo-Japanese war in the late 1800's.

Plus, I have a very strange (sarcastically said) opinion, in that because the Japanese committed biological warfare against Manchuria, and had a penchant for torturing our Marines, I could care less how we won the war.

Perhaps, if a female relative was forced into being a "comfort girl" for the Japanese troops, the concern over firebombing and atomic cherry bombs would be of less concern. I assume your family never suffered due to the Japanese racism and inhumane behavior.

But, in my opinion, you would still believe you are correct in your position, I am guessing, since you never offer an argument in behalf of your opposition, and then prove it ethically not as compelling as your contrary argument. My point being that your debating skills do not impress me.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 08:13 pm
@izzythepush,
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Remember Japan started the war,


Japan was forced to act by the US. The US, and the UK, had enacted policies that neither the US or UK would have ever tolerated.

The US knew well in advance of Japan's intent to attack Pearl Harbor and it let it happen to get it into WWII.

There is a very good reason that the Japanese fought as they did. Before the war, the racism from the US was vociferous, some 19% of Americans believed that the Japanese race should be exterminated.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 08:17 pm
@Foofie,
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because the Japanese committed biological warfare against Manchuria,


The US didn't give a rat's ass about that, Foofie. Back in the 30s, the US was willing to look the other way as long as Japan was willing to share China with them.

Are you of the opinion that this biological warfare was pretty awful, Foofie?
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 08:35 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
because the Japanese committed biological warfare against Manchuria,


The US didn't give a rat's ass about that, Foofie. Back in the 30s, the US was willing to look the other way as long as Japan was willing to share China with them.

Are you of the opinion that this biological warfare was pretty awful, Foofie?


Sorry, you don't get to ask me questions. You just make your argument.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 09:09 pm
@Foofie,
It was a rhetorical question, Foofie. You have shown time and again what a piece of scum you are. You complain, often, about what has happened to the Jews and yet you wish this same thing upon many of the peoples on the planet.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 03:37 am
@JTT,
I'm sure the benevolent nature of Japan's occupation of China is shown by the way China holds Japan in such high esteem today.

I've heard that Churchill knew about Pearl Harbour, but kept schtum. I don't know about Roosevelt though. If I'd been in Churchill's shoes I'd probably have done the same. The Pearl Harbour attack was the only thing that silenced Nazi sympathisers like Lindbergh.
Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 09:51 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

It was a rhetorical question, Foofie. You have shown time and again what a piece of scum you are. You complain, often, about what has happened to the Jews and yet you wish this same thing upon many of the peoples on the planet.


You are slandering me. I do not wish any ill will on anyone. My lack of compassion is all that you can claim about me. Please correct your slanderous statement. I owe no one any compassion. That is my right, since compassion, on occasion, can make me be in a less than good mood. How dare you decide that I can be in a less than a good mood.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 10:03 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

I'm sure the benevolent nature of Japan's occupation of China is shown by the way China holds Japan in such high esteem today.

I've heard that Churchill knew about Pearl Harbour, but kept schtum. I don't know about Roosevelt though. If I'd been in Churchill's shoes I'd probably have done the same. The Pearl Harbour attack was the only thing that silenced Nazi sympathisers like Lindbergh.


I do not think Roosevelt should get all the blame for entering WWII. As I understand it, prior to WWII, there was a large isolationist contingent in the U.S., and in Britain there were appeasers, so those people that OWN the U.S., and did not want to see National Socialism one day come to the U.S. shores, had the conundrum of not letting Europe go back to the pagan culture, even though a sizable contingent of the U.S. did not want to protect Europe.

The people that own the U.S., for the most part, in my opinion, is that demographic that came to the U.S. way prior to 1850, and their ancestors did all the dirty work of dying (including diseases) and fighting, so the large waves of immigrants that came after 1850 arrived in a much larger version of their homeland.

Without being too specific, the U.S. is a macro version, in my opinion and in the way of analogy, of Israel having the early European Ashkenazi Jews in the power positions, yet over 50 percent of Israel is Sephardic non-European Jews. The conundrum for the Ashkenazim is how not to lose their power, even though their birthrate is lower than the Sephardim?

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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 11:19 am
foofie
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because the Japanese committed biological warfare against Manchuria,


JTT
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Back in the 30s, the US was willing to look the other way as long as Japan was willing to share China with them.


While you make some good points about America's racist treatment of Japan that statement is utter nonsense.
The US didn't realize the extent of unit 731's work until the end of the war.

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Between 1932 and 1945 Japan experiments included testing biological weapons on humans, and attacked 11 Chinese cities with biological weapons. The Japanese, as the US learned at the end of World War II, had been making significant progress learning about traditional biological warfare agents like botulism and anthrax.

The US Army sent several investigators to Japan after the war to interrogate captured Japanese scientists. Leading the team was Dr. Norbert Fell and Lt. Col. Arvo Thompson. Working with Gen. Douglas MacArthur's intelligence team at Supreme Commander Allied Powers (SCAP), Dr. Fell and Thompson learned the full extent of the Japanese program headed by Lt. Gen. Shiro Ishii.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 12:36 pm
@panzade,
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While you make some good points about America's racist treatment of Japan that statement is utter nonsense.
The US didn't realize the extent of unit 731's work until the end of the war.


While it must have seemed Unit 731 was what I was referring to, Pan, it wasn't.

More later.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 03:11 pm
@izzythepush,
JTT would make excuses for The Devil if he thought it would advance his obsessive mission to paint the US in the darkest of colors...generally black and red.
Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2012 10:10 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

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You do not know me at all.


On the contrary, Osso. You have exhibited your ignorance numerous times.

On grammar, it matters little.

On this topic, real human beings are being badly brutalized as you dither on your many tangents.


When did you become a thread moderator? Please lighten your serious mind from its stranglehold on your personality. Everyone cannot care like you care. I am apathetic. I join a thread out of boredom, not concern. Living here in my castle with maids and servants, I cannot care for the common man the way you do. It has nothing to do with intent. It has to do with APATHY, born out of boredom with serious people like yourself. Perhaps a regimen of hot baths, and hot cocoa will help your affliction?
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