Rioting spreading through London & to other English cities.

Mysteryman needs to be reminded that this country is a sovereign nation, not the 51st State. Our politicians make the decisions, thank you very much. We do not need troops shooting people on our streets.

I found this article yesterday.
I truly hope that the British army is given shoot to kill orders against these punks and rioters.

we will keep your comments with in the contex of the Sun polling that has a huge majority of you Brits wanting the military called in, and over 30% wanting live rounds fired on the scum.....

ragtime!

Are you watching the rabble in the House of Commons?

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron said Thursday that Scotland Yard and intelligence agencies are considering a ban on social media for those known to be plotting violence.

"We are working with the Police, the intelligence services and industry to look at whether it would be right to stop people communicating via these websites and services when we know they are plotting violence, disorder and criminality," Cameron said in a speech before the House of Commons.

Source: PCMag.com, August 11, 2011

For the first time, Mr. Cameron said police commanders had acknowledged that they had misjudged the situation at first and deployed too few officers.

“Initially the police treated the situation too much as a public order issue, rather than essentially one of crime,” he told the summoned lawmakers, blaming a wide social breakdown for the violence.

“This is not about poverty, it’s about culture,” he said, “a culture that glorifies violence, shows disrespect to authority, and says everything about rights but nothing about responsibilities." ...

While many Britons had initially blamed the violence on unemployed youth, one surprise was the presence in courts of young men and women with regular jobs among the riot suspects lined up in police wagons outside courthouses in London and other cities. That raised questions about why they had been caught up in the kind of mayhem that has traditionally drawn on an underclass of alienated young people, with no jobs and few prospects.

Many of those who were remanded for trial appeared to come from just those kinds of backgrounds — evidence, as some commentators saw it, that the root causes of the disorders lay in social deprivation and despair. But those who stood before the courts for bail hearings in London, many of them still in their jeans and hooded sweatshirts, included a graphic designer, a postal employee, a dental assistant, a teaching aide, a forklift driver and a youth worker.

One 19-year-old woman was listed on court documents as living in a converted farmhouse in a leafy, upmarket area of rural Kent that is part of what Londoners call the stockbroker belt. A 22-year-old woman gave her address as an upscale block of flats in a gentrified neighborhood of Hackney, one of the worst-hit riot areas in London. Local residents said that many of the residents of the apartments, which are valued at about $500,000, belonged to a community of affluent, middle-class people with jobs in London’s news media and art world.

“There are pockets of our society that are not just broken but, frankly, sick,” Mr. Cameron said on Wednesday. “The sight of those young people running down streets, smashing windows, taking property, looting, laughing as they go, the problem of that is a complete lack of responsibility, a lack of proper parenting, a lack of proper upbringing, a lack of proper ethics, a lack of proper morals,” he continued. “That is what we need to change. There is no one trigger that can change these things. It’s about parenting, it’s about discipline in schools, it’s about making sure we have a welfare system that does not reward idleness. It is all of those things.”

For now, the political sparring has taken a back seat to more immediate concerns, especially the signs of rising tensions between ethnic groups in neighborhoods under siege. Earlier in the week, Turkish groups in Hackney and other London neighborhoods began arming themselves with aluminum baseball bats and other weapons to protect their homes and businesses. In the neighborhood of Southall, a crowd of Sikhs gathered at a temple where their spiritual leader vowed to fight back against any groups that threatened the temple or Sikh neighborhoods.

Similar vows were made by Muslim groups in a wide array of mixed-race communities in London and in at least two other cities with large Muslim populations — Birmingham and Manchester.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/12/world/europe/12britain.html?pagewanted=3&hpp/

... When the underclass try to help themselves in not too dissimilar terms, the prime minister expresses the ourrage which was conspicuous by its absence earlier...

Daivid Cameron, the pink one,