Rioting spreading through London & to other English cities.

Thanks, Walter.
I'll read that later, after I have dinner cooked & eaten.
Sounds like an excellent book!

(I really like the New Statesman, too!)

Thank you for fighting my corner Chuck, Hawkybabe does seem to get at his most agitated when I'm asleep. I don't mind what he calls me, just so long as it isn't IzzIE. I did say that riots only occur during Tory Governments, and thank you for your forensic probing of Hawkeye (figuratively of course) so we now know what he's trying to say.

We English do like to mix it up a bit, but there is a world of difference between a bit of a set to after a football match, a tussle on May 1st, and what happened recently. The only thing it really can be compared to are the Broadwater Farm and Poll Tax riots under Thatch. Hawkabilly's not interested in finding out the truth, he's more concerned about proving me wrong. I must have got right up his nose.

As for his use of historical referencing, then I bow to his superior intellect, Medieval England was well known for its socialist form of government. It couldn't have been at all Tory then could it? Wat Tyler was rebelling against the portions of jam in the worker's canteens.

Then Hawkabelle rounds it all off by having a pop at Blair, who is the only one talking any sense. The main problem IS lack of opportunity, and low aspirations. If you get rid of that you'll get rid of a lot of the criminality. It's in the interests of the establishment to portray this as just a problem with gangs and lack of respect for authority. Hawkerella, lackey that he is, is just echoing their words.

As for your question about the Arab Spring don't expect a reply that makes any sense. The best you can hope for is an obscure quotation from the Rubaiyat Of Omar Khayyam. You will then have to ask loads of probing questions to work out what point he's trying to make, which in the end will be as harebrained as all his other posts.

Hawky is like the leader of the thick kids that sit at the back of the class. He says something to his mates, they think it's quite clever. That gives him the confidence to inflict this bollocks on the rest of us. Hawkywoo, believes this crap, and what is really tragic, is that when he comes out with it, he thinks he's being clever. Sometimes, when I read his posts, I wince with embarrassment. You can only poke the village idiot with a stick so many times before it stops being funny.

at that remark, we will have to agree to disagree my friend

It's still morning over here so I'm stone cold sober, I must admit, after a few beers, the temptation to wind up Hawky can be irresistable. I was wondering what a battle of wits between Hawk and Finn would be like. I suspect it would be a bit like watching two tortoises wrestling.

Just how lazy are you?? I even gave you post numbers to make it easy for you. You dont want to see, that is your problem here and often.

Such a clever fellow izzy

I think you're confusing laziness with not giving a ****. You're the only one who really cares about this, not because you're interested in the truth, but because you're desperate to prove me wrong. I confirmed what you said about what I said about what he said about what she said, so what's your problem?

Even Finn doesn't seem bothered, preferring some mad foray into irony instead. I don't think you should follow his example though, for you the opportunity to appear ironic has long passed.

Then she would have said such, rather than misrepresenting the situation claiming that she would need to spend "ages" finding out the truth when I had already done 99% of the work for her by finding the post numbers and quoting from them. Your position is ridiculous, which sadly is common from you.

What's ridiculous is that we're arguing about msolga being lazy.

That is not my claim, my position is that she has proven over and over again that what she wants is to have her current beliefs supported, that she is not interested in the truth.

Hello, hello ....
I thought my ears were burning.

You know, Hawkeye, there is nothing that I enjoy less than trawling over the back pages of a thread when one poster or another is attempting to prove that they were "right" & another was "wrong". I have been there & done that before on many a thread here & have usually not found it a particularly useful exercise. It is usually about one poster feeling hard done by during the discussion & waiting for an opportunity to get their own back.

So no, not exactly laziness on my part. I figured that if the initial disagreement was between you & Izzy, then why not you & Izzy sort it out? Fair enough?
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Besides, why should I oblige you, when you haven't bothered to answer questions I've asked you when we were discussing the Peter Ackroyd quote you posted, just a few posts back?

I asked:


And this:

No response from you to either question.

And as for this:

Unlike you?
That's pretty funny.

When talking to Hawkeye I never know whether I'm talking to a smart kid or a stupid adult. I addressed all his issues too, and I've asked loads of questions that he's not answered. I think he just wants to be taken seriously, and accusing others of not wanting to know the truth, is his way of avoiding the real issue. The real issue being, why does nobody take Hawkeye seriously?

Because ask good questions, because I have skewed from the norm views which can be insightful, and because I am at least partly right a high percentage of the time...

No, it's because you're convinced you're some sort of Messiah. You're not.

I speak with conviction, because that which I am not sure about I tend not to talk about, I listen...something that you could do a lot more of. If you think I am wrong about something then prove me wrong, absent that I will assume that I am right on the stuff that I have made up my mind about after a lifetime of 49 years listening, watching, learning and questioning.

Humility and deference are over rated, I want to take part in the combat of ideas. If I dont believe in what I believe enough to act like I believe than I should be in the stands watching my betters on the arena floor.

That's right, everyone else is wrong, you're the only one who is right. Have you progressed emotionally since adolescence? I'm off out, won't be posting for a few days. Don't expect a reply until then.

I would certainly help if you answered a few questions related to what you've actually posted, hawkeye.

It has something to do with a fair give & take in the exchange of ideas & opinions.

You can't have a "combat of ideas" if you're not prepared to to answer relevant questions ... same if others aren't prepared to answer valid questions on what they've posted.

I'm not that ego-centric.
This is an anonymous forum.
I CARE about objective events.
I care about freedom, Individualism n hedonism.





David

We had John Wayne.

He got that monicker when he passed through Albuquerque on the way to Hollywood. Though it's misspelled, the town is named after the Duke of Alburquerque.