The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

@Zardoz,

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The Republican Party fought social security for twenty years and would eliminate it in a heartbeat even today if the Democratic Party didn’t stop them.

Reform is not elimination.

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When the winner take all economics results in 1 out of 2 older Americans dying impoverished socialism begins to look far superior to the average person.

Facts, proof?

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I don’t know whether you realize it or not but when a couple retires each one collects their own social security based on the years they worked and what they paid in. Upon the death the survivor is able to take the higher benefit, but they do not get to collect both social security checks. I am sure the Republicans would like to allow only one check to a couple even though they both worked 40 years. When two people in a couple work both pay social security.

SS should be reformed to meet and match or current economy.

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If you have a lot of money to invest you might make some money, but service charges eat up the small investor’s investments.

And to think Bernie wanted to add additional taxes and fee's for such investments, pushing such investment options out of the reach of the average person. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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If you have a million shares you pay the same service charge as if you have one share. Do you see the problem there? You also have to spend a good deal of time studying the market and all the company’s prospects. Inside information also helps a lot of big investors.

I guess you have never heard of an investment broker...

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The Republican Party fought social security they want to make life in America a lottery where the winner takes all.[

You are a funny guy who no facts.

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@Baldimo,

You can tell you live on a study diet of right-wing propaganda. You think social security is a hand out? I paid into social security for 47 years. Not only was I required to pay social security, but my employers also had to match the 3.6% I paid in. That money earned interest for 47 years. Your social security is based on your highest 35 years, but they don’t adjust the contributions for inflation. Over 35 years Inflation was 350% but you aren’t paid in 1968 dollars that you contributed you are paid in 2017 dollars that are worth far less. Social security is not an entitlement like the Republicans refer to it. It is an earned benefit. Can somebody scam the system? Crime will always be with us. Social security pays those who become disabled.

When Reagan was president, he cut taxes by 70% on the ungodly greedy and decreed that no one would get disability social security that could sell pencils on a street corner to pay for his tax cuts. They took away the social security of tens of thousands, many of who died without their social security. You are not a doctor and because you think that somebody is healthy doesn’t mean they are. Reagan’s social security investigators showed up at my house and questioned my wife about a neighbor who must have been 60. They wanted to know if he mowed his lawn? My wife told them he did but he could only mow about 6 foot before he would have to stop and rest. He had worked for the newspaper his entire life until he could no longer breathe but to casual observer, he “looked” like he could still work.

At one time the working class had a strong vote but the ungodly greedy are few but in order to take control of politics they used the strategy of divide and conquer. The best way to do that is the politics of envy just point that a criminal can scam a system and envy kicks in. The judge Judy syndrome I am making $47 million a year, and somebody is getting food stamps. How unfair that her tax dollars are paying for food stamps. She can just barely get buy on her $47 million. Could you imagine the outcry if the government gave someone on welfare a million dollars? That won’t happen but recently the Cabell County Commission gave a million dollars to a rich developer to put in a third mall in a couple of miles. The government gave a million dollars to a rich guy and there is no outcry no one even bats an eye. Welfare for the rich cost this country hundreds of times what is spent on the poor it is handed out in $500 million chunks to some of the world’s richest corporations.

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@Baldimo,

Perspective is important when your young you believe you will have good health until the day you die but reality is quite different. The illusion of an eternity of days stretching endlessly into the future is just that an illusion. Because you have good health today does not mean that you will have it tomorrow your life can change in an instant. You can be in a car wreck and have serious injuries. You can be diagnosed with cancer and you will thank your lucky stars that you have social security to fall back on. You will no longer believe that social security is a hand out it is all about perspective.

The old Rush Slimbaugh shuffle someone will do it. According to the right-wing nuts other people will rush in to and replace the pay checks lost when people are unable to work. According to them there are always other people willing to help out but of course they aren’t going to help out, but others can. It would be extremely easy for you to be injured in car wreck tomorrow on the way to work. We had bought a new Honda CRV for my wife from out of state. It didn’t have an inspection sticker so after a month I took it to work and to get the sticker. Three blocks from where I worked an SUV going 60 mph ran a red light and hit me in the intersection. He backed up and hit me again, so he could run. The passenger side was caved in so badly that when the policeman requested the registration the glove box could not be opened. I was fortunate there were air bags all over the car, but the fortunate part was he hit me on the passenger side. If he had hit me on the driver side, I would be lucky to be severely injured. No social security no pay check. I had driven through that intersection for 40 years and never had a problem. Your life can change in an instant and you want to depend on charity for an income.

Do you believe that people only get disabled or old during a depression? Before social security seniors ended up in the poorhouse or died in poverty. With the loss of the private pensions, a lot of the baby boomers will die in poverty. The ungodly greedy with the help of republicans raided the private pension system. Only government backed pensions survived and that was only because the ungodly greedy have not found a way to use them for another round of tax cuts for themselves.

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@Baldimo,

There are two types of twin fraternal twins and identical twins. Fraternal twins occur when two different egg cells are fertilized with two different sperm cells. It is even possible for fraternal twins to have two different fathers. Identical twins on the other hand come from the same fertilized egg cell that divides into two different fertilized egg-cell at some point creating to identical human beings. This is not the normal. Twins are born at about 3% while those born with both sets of sexual organs occur at 1%. Being born with a carbon copy is in fact a birth defect.

You lost the point about sexual orientation is determined by having a penis or vagina it is determined in the brain. Most people will go with what they see and not what is unseen. In my generation sexual orientation was forced on people if you had one type of sexual organs society tried to force you into a mold no matter how they resisted. The darkness of 2,000-year-old ignorance of the bible is ever so slowly giving way to the light of knowledge. My granddaughter goes to school with a boy who is every bit as effeminate as the girls and they no longer try to force people into a sexual orientation. Anyone familiar knows that the differences are very evident that the differences can be seen in small children long before puberty. He was allowed to play dolls with the girls instead of football with the boys. At one time the ignorance of the bible was believed to be divine knowledge from a supernatural being. The ignorance was built on what you could see but the bible had no explanation for the unseen. You could not look at a person and see mental illness the bible’s explanation for mental illness was demonic possession. For years the mentally ill were given exorcisms by Christians instead of help for their mental illness. Illness can also be caused by germs that put someone out of their head, but the Christians were sure it was demons that caused it. You would have thought that a supreme being who sees all and knows all would have done a much better job. But the ignorance of Christianity is like a giant boa constrictor wrapped out around our society that kills knowledge and keeps ignorance alive.

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@Baldimo,

Kid getting shot by a gun is sort of like a dog bites man story is so common that nobody even notices any more but when two children are shot with the same bullet it becomes like a man bites dog story, news and something everybody would notice. Of course, I would wonder if their mother didn’t shoot them because they would not stop bouncing on the bed. If the gun were laying on the bed and went off it would be hard to hit both boys but if the mother was holding the gun when it went off it would make more sense. This is typical gun nut behavior believing that every problem can be solved with a gun. I got this one right both boys were shot while bouncing on the bed.

This is a good example of how fast gun violence is covered up it only made the local news people being shot is like the dog bites story now you have to kill at least ten people or at least injure ten people to make the national news.

My wife went to the post office today she noticed a man go into the post office but come right back out and get a gun out of his car and head back into the post office. She was sure he was angry, and a shooting was about to take place. She noted the description of his car and his license plate number. No shooting took place he either changed his mind or was just afraid to leave his gun in the car but that is how fast gun violence takes place. If he had only killed one or two it would only make the local news.
Don’t kid yourself, all manufacturers have had associations since the days of Adams Smith who said given the chance businessmen would work together to screw over the public. There are toy manufacturers associations, there are car manufacturers association, there are retail merchant associations. These associations work together for the common good of their member to lobby congress for favorable treatment. The NRA is the gun manufacturers association.

We now know the little Russian spy took the top officers of the NRA to Russia, so they could talk over how to screw over America in the last election. It is clearly all about selling more guns nothing else matters to the NRA.

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@Baldimo,

The NRA used their political clout to make sure the CDC study could cast gun violence in a negative light. I had an old black lady that supplemented her income by picking up beer cans. We would get calls complaining about the junk in her yard. Her yard was literally filled with bags of beer cans and the neighborhood reeked of beer. I asked her one-day Martha why don’t you just sell all of these cans? She told me if she took a large number of cans in, they cheated her by putting a foot under the scales. This is exactly what the NRA is doing they are putting their foot under any study of guns.

There should never be any preconditions on the study of guns or anything else for that matter. Studies are done for the soul purpose of determining what is going on with a problem. The study is worthless if it can’t be used to solve the problem and the NRA doesn’t want the problem solved, they want the ugly truth about guns hidden forever. No interested party should ever be able to determine the outcome or what the study can be used for.

What is a fair study of guns to those who lost their children in mass murders and what is a fair study for those who get rich selling by death is completely different neither side should be able to control the study or how it is used. No study has the power to change the Constitution, but the American people can if they so decide.

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@Baldimo,

The NRA used the politicians they bought to handcuff any valid conclusion of the CDC report on gun violence. There is no way that you can make the needless death of 30,000 people year look like it is a good thing.

“none of the money made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention” (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control.

Dickey Amendment
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One of the leading causes of death and injury in America is gun violence and corrupt politicians made a law to stop anything from being done about it. How do you kill a program? Take the money away and that is exactly what happened the $2.6 million that was to be used to do firearms research was stripped and in the next years budget and identical $2.6 million was used to study traumatic brain injuries. While there have been 100s of billions spent on studies to make cars safer, from seat belts and shoulder harnesses to air bags and crush zones. In the thirties race cars were made so solid that when a driver wrecked, he might be killed but they could roll the car back over and put another driver in the car and finish the race. By studying car safety, we have advanced car safety light years. Fires were common when a race car was involved in a wreck until fuel cells came along. We are still in the 1930s in regard to gun safety.

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@Zardoz,

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The NRA is the gun manufacturers association.

That is incorrect. The NSSF is the gun manufacturers association.

The NRA is focused on protecting civil liberties.

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@Zardoz,

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There is no way that you can make the needless death of 30,000 people year look like it is a good thing.

I can point out the fact that these deaths were caused by murderers, not by guns.

If murderers killed all those people people with knives instead of with guns, they'd be just as dead.

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@Zardoz,

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No study has the power to change the Constitution, but the American people can if they so decide.

America chooses to remain a free country. Americans value their civil liberties.

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@Zardoz,

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You think social security is a hand out?

When it is paid to people who have not paid into the system or are not of retirement age. Mission creep destroys good programs.

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The government gave a million dollars to a rich guy and there is no outcry no one even bats an eye. Welfare for the rich cost this country hundreds of times what is spent on the poor it is handed out in $500 million chunks to some of the world’s richest corporations.

I'm not a fan of subsidies. I'm wondering if they gave the developer a million dollar tax credit. How many jobs are going to be brought into the area because of the development?

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@Zardoz,

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Perspective is important when your young you believe you will have good health until the day you die but reality is quite different. The illusion of an eternity of days stretching endlessly into the future is just that an illusion. Because you have good health today does not mean that you will have it tomorrow your life can change in an instant. You can be in a car wreck and have serious injuries. You can be diagnosed with cancer and you will thank your lucky stars that you have social security to fall back on. You will no longer believe that social security is a hand out it is all about perspective.

You are now trying to defend the mission creep as justifiable when it isn't. Social Security was meant to be used for people to retire on, nothing more and nothing less.

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@Zardoz,

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There are two types of twin fraternal twins and identical twins. Fraternal twins occur when two different egg cells are fertilized with two different sperm cells. It is even possible for fraternal twins to have two different fathers. Identical twins on the other hand come from the same fertilized egg cell that divides into two different fertilized egg-cell at some point creating to identical human beings. This is not the normal. Twins are born at about 3% while those born with both sets of sexual organs occur at 1%. Being born with a carbon copy is in fact a birth defect.

I'm at a loss for what you are trying to mention here. Twins might be an abnormal birth, but twins are not a birth defect.

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You lost the point about sexual orientation is determined by having a penis or vagina it is determined in the brain.

Men and boys have a penis, girls and women have a vagina. We are a binary gender species, the rest of it is mostly pseudo science. There are very very few legitimate "intersex" people. Nothing in my argument come from religion, it comes from actual science, it's called biology.

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@Zardoz,

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Kid getting shot by a gun is sort of like a dog bites man story is so common that nobody even notices any more but when two children are shot with the same bullet it becomes like a man bites dog story, news and something everybody would notice. Of course, I would wonder if their mother didn’t shoot them because they would not stop bouncing on the bed. If the gun were laying on the bed and went off it would be hard to hit both boys but if the mother was holding the gun when it went off it would make more sense. .

All this talk about a story neither one of can find on the internet, yet you keep talking like it happened.

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This is typical gun nut behavior believing that every problem can be solved with a gun. I got this one right both boys were shot while bouncing on the bed

No, not "typical" gun nut behavior, this would be a mental health issue. I will continue to point out that if the average gun owner was as violent as you claim they are, they murder rate would be much much higher. How many guns in the US and we see an average of 12,000 murders a year?

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This is a good example of how fast gun violence is covered up it only made the local news people being shot is like the dog bites story now you have to kill at least ten people or at least injure ten people to make the national news.

Not a good example, as anything reported on local news will be on the internet, all news organizations have an online page which shows the very same stories online as they show on TV. In fact they might go more in depth on such stories as they can provide more coverage online as they can in a 30 second to 2 minute news story.

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My wife went to the post office today she noticed a man go into the post office but come right back out and get a gun out of his car and head back into the post office. She was sure he was angry, and a shooting was about to take place. She noted the description of his car and his license plate number.

See something say something, did she call the police? I'm betting she didn't.

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No shooting took place he either changed his mind or was just afraid to leave his gun in the car but that is how fast gun violence takes place. If he had only killed one or two it would only make the local news.

Or you are lying and the event never took place. I'm going to say it didn't happen and you are making a story up. Much like a vast majority of the crap you say about guns in this thread. Lots of stories, very little truth or facts.

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Don’t kid yourself, all manufacturers have had associations since the days of Adams Smith who said given the chance businessmen would work together to screw over the public. There are toy manufacturers associations, there are car manufacturers association, there are retail merchant associations. These associations work together for the common good of their member to lobby congress for favorable treatment. The NRA is the gun manufacturers association.

Wrong again and again and again. The NSSF, National Shooting Sports Foundation, is the gun manufacturers lobby, the NRA is a gun owners lobby. I should know, I joined the NRA this year for the first time ever, thanks to people like you. I plan on continuing my support for the NRA because of people like you.

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We now know the little Russian spy took the top officers of the NRA to Russia, so they could talk over how to screw over America in the last election. It is clearly all about selling more guns nothing else matters to the NRA.

The NRA doesn't sell guns, if they did they wouldn't need people like me to support them and our 2nd Amendment. I happen to think every law biding citizen should have the right to a firearm, that includes people in other countries. The right to self-defense shouldn't be just an American thing, free people's all over the world should have access. When a crook is at your door and seconds from entering your house, the police are minutes away.

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@Zardoz,

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The NRA used their political clout to make sure the CDC study could cast gun violence in a negative light.

A study of guns should be netural from the start. If you are only going to look at guns as a tool of violence, then you will have a bias study that isn't accurate. Bias studies should never be used to influence our Constitution.

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There should never be any preconditions on the study of guns or anything else for that matter.

You are correct, that's why they should just study gun use and not gun violence. Studing only gun violence is bias as DGU would be ignored, of which there are more DGU in the US than murders. 12k murders per year and 500,000 to 2.5 million DGU.

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@Zardoz,

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The NRA used the politicians they bought to handcuff any valid conclusion of the CDC report on gun violence. There is no way that you can make the needless death of 30,000 people year look like it is a good thing.

I'm unsure why you keep stating that a bias study is valid. Why no comment on the 2013 study commissioned by Obama and the CDC? You act as if this study was never released. It doesn't give the propaganda the anti-gunners want it to, that's why the MSM and others who want to get rid of the 2nd Amendment don't talk about the 2013 study, you all pretend it doesn't exist.

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One of the leading causes of death and injury in America is gun violence

Not even close to the leading cause of death in the US:
Heart disease: 635,260
Cancer: 598,038
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 161,374
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 154,596
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 142,142
Alzheimer’s disease: 116,103
Diabetes: 80,058
Influenza and pneumonia: 51,537
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,046
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,96
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm
We already know total gun deaths per yer regardless of cause, is about 30k per year. Drug overdoes deaths for 2017 were about 72k, which is twice the death rate for all gun deaths, take suicides out of the equation and the gun death rate drops to 12k a year. Once agian, the numbers and stats are not on your side.

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While there have been 100s of billions spent on studies to make cars safer, from seat belts and shoulder harnesses to air bags and crush zones. In the thirties race cars were made so solid that when a driver wrecked, he might be killed but they could roll the car back over and put another driver in the car and finish the race. By studying car safety, we have advanced car safety light years. Fires were common when a race car was involved in a wreck until fuel cells came along. We are still in the 1930s in regard to gun safety.

You don't know enough about guns to say where we are on gun safety. Your idea of gun safety is no guns allowed.

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@Baldimo,

I will never trust any study of gun violence until the Dickey Amendment is repealed. As long as the gun manufacturers association uses their political power to influence the outcome or use of the data, the studies will be completely unreliable.

Bump stocks are now banned AR-15 are next.
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Everybody is going to die and most of what you list are old age-related diseases. While those killed with guns are not related to old age in fact the young are more likely to be killed with guns.

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@Zardoz,

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AR-15 are next.

No they aren't. The NRA will not allow any federal law restricting them. And the US Supreme Court will strike down any local laws restricting them.

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@Zardoz,

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I will never trust any study of gun violence until the Dickey Amendment is repealed.

So the only gun study you will ever trust is a bias study on the negative effects of guns? You will never accept a study that has the pros and cons of gun ownership as it's focus?

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As long as the gun manufacturers association uses their political power to influence the outcome or use of the data, the studies will be completely unreliable.

Why do you continue to conflate the NRA with the NSSF, one is a gun manufacture lobby-NSSF made up of the companies who make guns, the other a civil rights group-NRA made of gun owners, not manufactures.
So not only do you want a bias study, you want that study used to infringe on the Constitution rights of American Citizens?

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Bump stocks are now banned AR-15 are next.

While some people will see the Bump stock ban as an infringement I don't, I could careless if they are banned or not. As someone who actually shoots guns and respects them, I think the bump stock was a unpractical item. No accuracy and a waste of ammo. So what you can shoot fast, that doesn't help you protect your family, it just puts a lot of holes in the walls and not in the bad guy you are shooting.

As for the Ar-15, good luck. Most of those bans are going to be overturned.

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Everybody is going to die and most of what you list are old age-related diseases.

Less than half of those issues are old age related, it doesn't change the fact that "guns" are not the #1 leading cause of death. It might be for certain groups, but then you have to look at the reason for those groups to have such a higher rate then the rest of the population.

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While those killed with guns are not related to old age in fact the young are more likely to be killed with guns.

You are wrong again, do you even look these things up, or do you just type it from the heart? Here's an article from CNN on the leading causes of death for teens, here's a hint, it isn't guns. I'm hoping you will actually read the article.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/01/health/youth-injury-death-rate-cdc-study/index.html

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@Baldimo,

There are other studies being done that are not being manipulated by the NRA and their communists buddies. One was released today showing that children in America are being killed at a rate of 36.5 times the rate in other wealthy countries. If you are a child, you are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a gun nut. Now more than 40,000 people are killed by gun nuts. However, this was conducted without interference from the gun manufacturers association. Only one third of homes in America have a gun so the tail has been wagging the dog. There is something morally wrong with a country that allows its children to be slaughtered for the vanity of the minority. We think of America as a safe place but in fact a child is 57% more likely to die in America by the time they are 19. The first thing the new Congress should do is repeal the Dickey Amendment.

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All you have to do is follow the money and most of the money that funds the NRA comes from the gun manufacturers when it isn’t coming from Russia. The NRA is a puppet organization and it is the gun manufacturers that have their hand up the puppet’s ass. The other manufacturers in America greatly admired what the gun manufacturers had done with the NRA and some tried to imitate their successes by creating puppet organizations of their own.

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The bump stocks are not the real problem the assault weapons like the AR-15 are the real problem. The bump stock only exploits the already existing design capabilities of the AR-15. It will be just a matter of time before somebody else designs some other way of pulling the trigger just as fast. If you are a mass murder you don’t need to worry about accuracy you just fire into a large crowd the bullets will hit someone. The Las Vegas shooter fired 1,000 rounds in 10 minutes with seven of his assault weapons armed with bump stocks. He killed 58 and injured 851 meaning that hit his targets 91% of the time.

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