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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 19 Dec, 2018 10:26 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
There are other studies being done that are not being manipulated by the NRA and their communists buddies. One was released today showing that children in America are being killed at a rate of 36.5 times the rate in other wealthy countries. If you are a child, you are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a gun nut. Now more than 40,000 people are killed by gun nuts.
Those people would be just as dead if they were killed with knives.

Zardoz wrote:
There is something morally wrong with a country that allows its children to be slaughtered for the vanity of the minority.
That means there is something morally wrong with the gun control movement. They aren't trying to save any lives. All they want to do is violate people's civil rights for fun.

Zardoz wrote:
The first thing the new Congress should do is repeal the Dickey Amendment.
So the CDC can waste taxpayer money creating anti-freedom propaganda instead of protecting us from dangerous diseases?

No thank you.

Zardoz wrote:
The NRA is a puppet organization and it is the gun manufacturers that have their hand up the puppet’s ass.
You have that exactly backwards. We decide whether or not to buy their products, so we have control over the gun manufacturers.

Zardoz wrote:
The bump stocks are not the real problem the assault weapons like the AR-15 are the real problem.
That is incorrect. The AR-15 is just an ordinary rifle -- no different from any other ordinary rifle.

Zardoz wrote:
The bump stock only exploits the already existing design capabilities of the AR-15.
Design capabilities that exist in all semi-auto rifles.

Zardoz wrote:
It will be just a matter of time before somebody else designs some other way of pulling the trigger just as fast.
Then that method will probably also be restricted.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 20 Dec, 2018 05:20 am
@Zardoz,
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There are other studies being done that are not being manipulated by the NRA and their communists buddies. One was released today showing that children in America are being killed at a rate of 36.5 times the rate in other wealthy countries. If you are a child, you are 36.5 times more likely to be killed by a gun nut. Now more than 40,000 people are killed by gun nuts. However, this was conducted without interference from the gun manufacturers association. Only one third of homes in America have a gun so the tail has been wagging the dog. There is something morally wrong with a country that allows its children to be slaughtered for the vanity of the minority. We think of America as a safe place but in fact a child is 57% more likely to die in America by the time they are 19. The first thing the new Congress should do is repeal the Dickey Amendment.

Links, facts proof? I think I'll be waiting for a while, you never post anything that back's what you post.

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All you have to do is follow the money and most of the money that funds the NRA comes from the gun manufacturers when it isn’t coming from Russia. The NRA is a puppet organization and it is the gun manufacturers that have their hand up the puppet’s ass. The other manufacturers in America greatly admired what the gun manufacturers had done with the NRA and some tried to imitate their successes by creating puppet organizations of their own.

Fact's, proof, links?

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The bump stocks are not the real problem the assault weapons like the AR-15 are the real problem. The bump stock only exploits the already existing design capabilities of the AR-15.

What design capabilities are those? Semi-auto fire, like 80% of the weapons in the US?

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It will be just a matter of time before somebody else designs some other way of pulling the trigger just as fast. If you are a mass murder you don’t need to worry about accuracy you just fire into a large crowd the bullets will hit someone. The Las Vegas shooter fired 1,000 rounds in 10 minutes with seven of his assault weapons armed with bump stocks. He killed 58 and injured 851 meaning that hit his targets 91% of the time.

422 people were shot, not 851, can't even debate a subject where facts are known without you lying about the facts.




coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 20 Dec, 2018 12:01 pm
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 20 Dec, 2018 10:15 pm
@oralloy,
The problem is 40,000 people are killed with guns each year while 1,604 people are killed with knives and cutting instruments. While guns are in only one third of Americans homes knives are in 100% of homes. That should tell you something. They would also be just as dead if killed with a baseball bat but that is not a problem either.

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If the repeated slaughters of large number of people didn’t take place on a regular bases there would be no movement to control guns. If all the guns in America were made inoperable there would be no gun control movement. The movement has everything to do with the number of people being murdered by gun nuts.

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It has nothing to do with freedom and everything to do with our children being slaughtered at 36.5 times the rate in other wealthy countries. Take the hand cuffs off the CDC and let see what the true facts are.

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The NRA was such a sham operation the cigarette manufacturers association so admired the NRA they set up their own sham organization. Did you make the trip to Russia with the officers of the NRA? Sorry but the NRA could not have come up with $30 million for political contributions from its membership dues. He who gives the money controls the NRA and it is not the membership. ____________________________________________________________________________________
Only assault weapons are designed to fire 900 rounds a minute. The bump stocks just take advantage of that design. Why is it they don’t refer to rifles as assault weapons?

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Only assault weapons are designed to fire 900 rounds a minute. Can you site one case where 50 people were killed by a rifle? I didn’t think so.
The method is the assault weapons the bump stocks were just a modification of the assault weapon.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 20 Dec, 2018 11:20 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
The problem is 40,000 people are killed with guns each year while 1,604 people are killed with knives and cutting instruments.
That's not a problem. They'd be just as dead if every single one of them had been killed with knives.

Zardoz wrote:
The movement has everything to do with the number of people being murdered by gun nuts.
If the gun control movement cared about murders, they would be trying to prevent those murders. Instead, the gun control movement does nothing to prevent murders and focuses solely on violating people's rights for fun.

Zardoz wrote:
It has nothing to do with freedom
It has everything to do with freedom. Free people have the right to carry arms.

Zardoz wrote:
and everything to do with our children being slaughtered at 36.5 times the rate in other wealthy countries.
Since the gun control movement is not trying to do anything to prevent these deaths, that is one thing that this isn't about.

Zardoz wrote:
Take the hand cuffs off the CDC and let see what the true facts are.
We need the CDC busy protecting us from dangerous diseases, not wasting taxpayer money on anti-freedom propaganda.

Zardoz wrote:
The NRA was such a sham operation
If that were the case, the gun control movement would not be so unhappy.

In fact, the NRA does a very good job of protecting our civil liberties.

Zardoz wrote:
He who gives the money controls the NRA and it is not the membership.
Tell that to the former owners of Smith and Wesson when we boycotted them into bankruptcy.

Zardoz wrote:
Only assault weapons are designed to fire 900 rounds a minute.
That is incorrect. Pistol grips have nothing to do with rate of fire.

Zardoz wrote:
Why is it they don’t refer to rifles as assault weapons?
They DO refer to rifles as assault weapons.

Zardoz wrote:
Can you site one case where 50 people were killed by a rifle?
The Las Vegas shooting.

Zardoz wrote:
The method is the assault weapons the bump stocks were just a modification of the assault weapon.
Without a bump stock, an assault weapon is just an ordinary gun.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 20 Dec, 2018 11:55 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
If a few people getting killed in a theater after someone yells fire in a crowded theater is a good reason to limit the first amendment then more people being killed with guns since 1968 than in all the wars in American history is a great reason to limit the second amendment.
That's why the Heller ruling allows restrictions that can be justified with a good reason.

However, bans on pistol grips cannot be justified with a good reason, so such bans are unconstitutional.

Zardoz wrote:
You could buy all the guns you wanted with pistol grips even under the 1994 assault weapon ban none of the demonstrations about gun violence were about banning pistol grips.
That is incorrect. Assault weapon bans are about pistol grips.

Zardoz wrote:
No, it was not because of pistol grips on guns it is because gun manufacturers have flooded the streets of America with modern weapons of war.
That is incorrect. Assault weapon bans are about pistol grips.

Zardoz wrote:
Are you telling me that gun deaths are completely unrelated to guns?
Yes exactly. The victims would be just as dead if they were killed with a different weapon.

Zardoz wrote:
I agree with you that hand guns should be banned also.
I never said that handguns should be banned. That would be unconstitutional. Restrictions on guns are allowed only if the restriction can be justified with a good reason.

Zardoz wrote:
Did you see even one sign in all of the thousands of signs at the national gun protest about pistol grips?
I didn't bother to look at their signs. However, every sign about assault weapons was about pistol grips. I assume that there were some signs about assault weapons.

Zardoz wrote:
Obviously, no one is concerned about pistol grips.
Their attempts to ban them show otherwise.

Zardoz wrote:
You seem to think that a pistol grip is what makes a gun an assault weapon it doesn’t.
That is incorrect. An assault weapon is just an ordinary gun with a pistol grip added.

Zardoz wrote:
Assault weapons are not just rifles with pistol grips. They are very specific guns designed for the purpose of mass murder during wars.
That is incorrect. Assault weapons are just ordinary guns with a pistol grip added.

Zardoz wrote:
There is absolutely nothing about guns in the civil rights laws.
I was using the wrong term when I said civil rights. McGentrix recently explained that the proper term is civil liberties:
http://able2know.org/topic/355218-3081#post-6758969

Zardoz wrote:
Sixty-eight percent of American people want assault weapon banned.
Their views don't matter. People have rights in America.

Zardoz wrote:
In our country the majority rules it is just a matter of time.
That is incorrect. In our country, civil liberties overrule the will of the majority.

Zardoz wrote:
Then we will just ban assault weapons and you can have a pistol grip made for every rifle you own.
A ban on assault weapons is a ban on pistol grips.

Zardoz wrote:
You can have all the pistol grips you want it is assault weapons that must be banned.
A ban on assault weapons is a ban on pistol grips.

Zardoz wrote:
assault weapons on the other hand were designed for mass murder.
Should we disarm the police then? We certainly don't want them using a weapon that can only be used to commit mass murder.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2018 12:23 am
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
The most important features of the M-16 were covered by the original patent for the AR-15 was a unique way to chamber shells quickly. The advancement that was patented allowed the AR-15 to have the capability to chamber over a hundred rounds a minute. The device that makes in effect fires each round as it enters the chamber is not the problem that was solved by the AR-15. It is much harder to get the rounds from the magazine into the chamber so quickly than to make it fully automatic. For a school shooter getting those rounds chamber so quickly is the most important feature of the gun for mass murder.
The AR-15 does not chamber rounds any quicker than any other semi-auto.

Zardoz wrote:
The capability to fire so many rounds so quickly makes it as efficient as some machine guns.
The AR-15 is not in any way as efficient as a machine gun. It is just an ordinary rifle.

Zardoz wrote:
I could pull the trigger 106 time in a minute with practice
Not with any sort of useful accuracy.

Zardoz wrote:
The assault weapons were banned for a reason and that reason was the amount of rounds they can fire in minute that is what causes the massive amount of damage they cause.
That is incorrect. Assault weapons do not fire any faster than other semi-auto weapons.

The only reason why they were banned is because leftists think that it is fun to violate people's civil liberties.

Zardoz wrote:
the Acts of Parliament become part of English common law
That is incorrect. Acts of Parliament are statutes.

Zardoz wrote:
and are binding on English common law.
Luckily for us, our Founding Fathers incorporated all the common law rights into the Constitution, and the Constitution overrules all statutes.

Zardoz wrote:
The common law cases you cited are the foundation for the severe gun restrictions in England.
That is incorrect. Those cases said that people have the right to have guns for self defense.

Zardoz wrote:
If in fact you believe in English common law those cases you cited are binding precedence’s on their current restrictive gun laws.
Unfortunately for England, that is incorrect. Since they don't have anything like the US Constitution, statutes in England take precedence over their common law rights.

Zardoz wrote:
You can’t have it both ways claiming that English common law gives you rights and then saying it does not do the same in England.
Sure I can. Our Constitution prevents laws that violate common law rights. The UK has no such protections.

Zardoz wrote:
I do not recall any part of the Constitution that guarantees rights prescribed under English common law.
The first nine amendments to the Constitution do this.

Zardoz wrote:
Than you expect the Supreme Court to adopt the restrictive English guns laws because if they have to accept one English Law they have adopt them all.
No they don't. What they have to do is follow the Constitution.

Zardoz wrote:
You simply can’t pick and choose if one English law is binding they all are.
The Founding Fathers could very much pick and choose. That is why we have the first nine amendments to the Constitution.

Zardoz wrote:
I will grant you that the 9th and 10th amendments are not very specific and are no doubt rendered so by the changes in language over time.
No. They are broad because they were intended to be broad.

Zardoz wrote:
But all rights are not unlimited.
True. That is why Heller allows restrictions that can be justified with a good reason.

But bans on pistol grips cannot be justified with any good reason.

Zardoz wrote:
All of those new statutes you want to ignore become binding on English common law.
Only in England. Here in America the Constitution overrides statutes.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2018 01:57 am
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
We don’t need to repeal the second amendment we just need to make sure common- sense limits are placed on it.
You are only allowed to have restrictions that can be justified with a good reason.

Bans on pistol grips cannot be justified with a good reason.

Zardoz wrote:
If the assault weapon ban was about pistol grips why were they not banned?
They *were* banned. That's why the law was unconstitutional.

Zardoz wrote:
The NRA (gun manufacturers association))
The NRA is a civil liberties organization. The NSSF is the gun manufacturers' association.

Zardoz wrote:
If the assault weapon ban was about pistol grips why did they not call it a pistol grip ban?
Because the gun control movement is not honest about their goals.

Zardoz wrote:
If they had wanted to ban pistol grips it would have been easy to do.
It was. It just wasn't constitutional.

Zardoz wrote:
Come on you really don’t need a grenade launcher mount as long as you can have a pistol grip.
It doesn't matter whether I need it. The fact that there is no justification for banning grenade launchers means that such bans are unconstitutional.

Zardoz wrote:
Since pistol grips are perfectly legal what are you so worried about?
The gun control movement is trying to outlaw them because they think it is fun to violate people's civil liberties.

Zardoz wrote:
Nobody is advocating banning pistol grips.
Every call to outlaw assault weapons is a call to outlaw pistol grips.

Zardoz wrote:
Heck, I don’t care if you have a grenade launcher as long as you can’t get grenades.
Every call to outlaw assault weapons is a call to outlaw grenade launchers.

Zardoz wrote:
Pistol grips are not the problem.
That is why bans on them are unjustifiable, and therefore unconstitutional.

Zardoz wrote:
The 1994 assault weapon ban did not ban pistol grips or all hand gun would have been banned also.
It banned pistol grips on rifles.

Zardoz wrote:
Assault weapons don’t need a pistol grip. They will fire just as many rounds from the shoulder without a pistol grip.
That is why bans on pistol grips are unjustifiable and therefore unconstitutional.

Zardoz wrote:
I have never advocated banning pistol grips just assault weapons.
A ban on assault weapons is a ban on pistol grips.

Zardoz wrote:
An assault weapon will kill just as many people without a pistol grip.
That is why bans on pistol grips are unjustifiable and therefore unconstitutional.

Zardoz wrote:
Pistol grips have never been banned you could always buy a gun with a pistol grip.
Assault weapon bans are bans on pistol grips.

Zardoz wrote:
Would you please show me a post where I called for a pistol grip ban?
Every single post where you call for a ban on assault weapons.

Zardoz wrote:
I think we will just have to agree pistol grips should not be banned but assault weapons should.
A ban on assault weapons is a ban on pistol grips. I do not agree with unconstitutional laws.

Zardoz wrote:
We have a problem in this country with mass murder. There are two parts to the equation the gun and the shooter. We have 13 million psychopaths who are fully capable of mass murder who are not suffering from mental illness. We can’t eliminate 13 million psychopaths so the banning the assault weapons is the only possible solution.
Banning assault weapons will not prevent any murders.

Zardoz wrote:
If assault weapons were just rifles with pistol grips then these murders would be done with a number of different rifles but they continue to use the same style of assault weapons.
They *are* done with a number of different rifles.

Zardoz wrote:
This situation is not getting any better.
It's not like pistol grips were a problem to begin with.

Zardoz wrote:
A good reason is the fact we have killed more people on the streets of America since 1968 then in all the wars in history. That is a tremendous reason.
Not when pistol grips are not the cause of any of these deaths.

Zardoz wrote:
Civil Rights legislation was passed in 1964
It was also passed in 1215.

Zardoz wrote:
If we were bound by all the laws of the 1200s we would be in a mess.
Civil liberties have always made the world a better place.

Zardoz wrote:
English Common law is nothing more than the sum of court decisions in the courts of England over a long period of time. Can you even imagine how many extremely bad court decisions are part of English common law? Many common court decisions are overturned every year. So, if you are correct we are stuck with every bad court decision in England over the last 1,000 years.
Civil liberties were never a bad decision.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2018 09:57 pm
I want to get away from the regular order of things tonight to post something significant that happened this week before I forget it. Trump became extremely upset after watching the recent opening skit on Saturday Night Live and started ranting and raving about suing the network over the show. It seems Trump thinks the Fairness Doctrine should apply to entertainment shows. It seems he believes if an entertainment show makes fun of him, they should have to spend an equal amount of time making fun of a democrat. Somebody should tell Trump that Ronald Reagan did away with the Fairness Doctrine in the 1980s before he spends a bunch of money on lawyers that he probably won’t pay anyhow. The main stream news media still observe the Fairness Doctrine giving both sides of a political issues. Entertainment is a horse of a different color the public determines what entertainment shows are on television by the ratings. What an entertainment show decides to air is based on ratings. When Saturday Night Live has Alex Baldwin doing Trump their rating goes through the roof. This is purely a free speech issue and no matter how many expensive attorneys Trump hires to sue the networks they will lose.

The skit in question was done in black and white based on the movie “It is a Wonderful Life.” Trump was taking the place of the Jimmy Stewart character. It starts with Trump looking down and out on the White House balcony. An angel shows up an offered to show him what life would be like if he never became President. Trump goes back to a reality when he was never president. Kelly Conway comes up an addressed Trump as Mr. Trump. Trump points out that he is president and she tells him he isn’t. He asks how she is doing? She says she is doing fine the devil gave her back her soul after she stopped lying and she is speaking to her husband again. Several White House characters come up with similar stories and finally Muller hands Trump what looks like an envelop and Trumps say is this a subpoena? No Muller says it is a picture of my grandson who I got to spend more time with because I didn’t have to spend all my time prosecuting some idiot for treason. Trump than says than you don’t know anything. Muller says I know everything. It is on the internet if you haven’t seen it.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2018 08:18 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
Hanging all the bad court decision made by ignorant foreigners around the neck of America would be much like hanging an albatross around America’s neck.
The protection of civil liberties was hardly a bad decision, and the judges who provided that protection were not ignorant.

Far from being an albatross, the fact that Americans have civil liberties is what makes our nation so great.

Zardoz wrote:
So, you believe that all of English common law is binding on America?
Only the rights that the Founding Fathers incorporated into the Constitution.

Zardoz wrote:
There are laws even in America that are absurd. One Kentucky states law states that your brake lights must have stop written across the stop lights. Another law from Owensboro Kentucky law states that a woman may not buy a hat without her husband permission. English common law would be absolutely full of garbage like this. We would have no way to repeal or pick and choose which English laws we would like to be subject to.
Civil liberties are neither absurd nor garbage.

Zardoz wrote:
Did you read the cases you posted? They were not about self-protection they were about hunting game. The people were afraid guns were going to kill all of the game animals out.
That is incorrect. The cases were about self protection.

Zardoz wrote:
If we were killing more people in America’s streets since 1968 than all the wars in America history this would be a very compelling reason.
Not when pistol grips are not the cause of any of those deaths.

Zardoz wrote:
You can have a 100,000 pistol grips if you want
Bans on assault weapons are bans on pistol grips.

Zardoz wrote:
Times are changing the political winds are shifting.
Not really. The Second Amendment is staying right where it is.

Zardoz wrote:
Assault weapons were designed for wars
That is incorrect. Assault weapons are ordinary guns with a pistol grip added.

Zardoz wrote:
a pistol grip is just a handle.
Which is why bans on assault weapons are unjustifiable and therefore unconstitutional.

Zardoz wrote:
Pistol grips have never been a subject of a ban.
Bans on assault weapons are bans on pistol grips.

Zardoz wrote:
Assault weapons are indeed on the way out
That is incorrect. The NRA will not allow that, and neither will the Supreme Court.

Zardoz wrote:
you will always be able to buy a pistol grip.
That is because the NRA and the Supreme Court will not allow a ban on assault weapons.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2018 08:20 pm
@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:
How many times have you asserted that pistol grips are banned when they never were?
Bans on assault weapons are bans on pistol grips.

Zardoz wrote:
They way referring saying you have a civil right to own a gun does not make it so.
The Second Amendment says otherwise.

Zardoz wrote:
I understand that other countries can make laws but it doesn’t mean that America is bound them.
America is bound by the Second Amendment.

Zardoz wrote:
You simply want to cherry pick certain laws and say they apply but it the same time say that the England strict gun laws don’t. You can have your Kate and Edith too.
That's the way the Founding Fathers set up the Constitution.

Zardoz wrote:
Same type of reasoning if someone can be murdered another way it is an excuse to do nothing at all.
Well, yes. The fact that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates does mean that we don't need to do anything about them.

Zardoz wrote:
Assault weapons are weapons of war designed to fight wars with.
That is incorrect. They are ordinary weapons with a pistol grip added.

Zardoz wrote:
They serve no other good purpose.
We should probably take them away from the police then. If they serve no other good purpose, then we don't want them in the hands of police officers.

In fact though, assault weapons serve many good purposes. Hunting and self defense for example.

Zardoz wrote:
Assault weapons are the overwhelming choice of mass murders nation-wide.
Untrue. They seem to prefer handguns.

Irrelevant as well, as the use of a pistol grip would not make shootings any deadlier even if they were the top choice.

Zardoz wrote:
Remington is already in bankruptcy any up tick in sales may be too late.
Bankruptcy reorganization is not the end of the world.

Zardoz wrote:
The fact that anything can be converted to full automatic should scare the hell out of you.
Why would I be frightened by the fact that it is possible to build a machine gun?

Zardoz wrote:
Go ahead and alert the hunters.
So you admit that you are out to ban hunting rifles.

Zardoz wrote:
If you can’t kill the animal with one shot it is not a sport.
The presence of a pistol grip does not say anything about the number of shots.

And sometimes quick followup shots are a part of hunting.

Zardoz wrote:
Pistol grips don’t increase the speed that a gun fires.
That's why bans on assault weapons are unjustifiable and therefore unconstitutional.

Zardoz wrote:
Assault weapons are the Ferraris of the gun world.
That is incorrect. They are just ordinary guns with pistol grips added.

Zardoz wrote:
Assault weapons were designed with exactly those factors in mind.
That is incorrect. They are just ordinary guns with pistol grips attached.

Zardoz wrote:
If they can design shock absorbers that will take the shock of hitting a pothole out of 3,000 lb. car it should be easy to build a shock absorber that would absorb the shock of recoil with current technology.
If you think so, go design one and sell it to the world.

Zardoz wrote:
Not all people are the same speed let alone semi-automatics.
That is incorrect. Semi-autos fire at the same speed.

Zardoz wrote:
Pistol grips are not necessary for mass murder
Which is why bans on assault weapons are unjustifiable and therefore unconstitutional.

Zardoz wrote:
but assault weapons are.
That is incorrect. Having a pistol grip on a gun is not a necessity for mass murder.

Zardoz wrote:
You are right Adam Lanza did not fire all the rounds from his clips which indicates to me something was malfunctioning in the gun
It indicates that magazine restrictions would not have constrained his killing spree.

Zardoz wrote:
The Heller case was bought because the Washington DC police department refused to let Heller register his hand gun.
As I said. It was about modern semi-auto handguns like the Glock.

Zardoz wrote:
We have a problem in America we are by far the most violent society of any civilized country in the world because of the wide spread distribution of guns.
That is incorrect. The distribution of guns is not in any way the cause of our society's violence.

Zardoz wrote:
We have the best reason in the world to limit the second amendment and that is human life. You can not bring a single school child back to life.
That does not justify restrictions that have nothing to do with saving lives. Bans on pistol grips have nothing to do with saving lives.

Zardoz wrote:
Pistol grips are legal. Cars are legal but if you put loud muffler on it is illegal. It is the combination that makes it illegal.
There is no justification for restricting any combination of assault weapons features, therefore any such restriction is unconstitutional.

Zardoz wrote:
The military may not use grenade launcher on rifles any more but some nut case in the public would if he could get his hands on grenades. The Texas bomber would love to have a grenade launcher.
That is why explosive rifle grenades are subject to heavy restrictions.

Zardoz wrote:
The Texas bomber loves things that explode and grenades make loud boom. He would absolutely love to have a grenade launcher.
Rifle grenades would be of no use in indoor shooting. They would hit the ceiling and kill the shooter.

Zardoz wrote:
Varmints can be killed in a number of other ways.
That does not change the reality that AR-15s are used by many varmint hunters.

Zardoz wrote:
You can’t get past the fact that pistol grips are legal you continue to attack a strawman.
There is no strawman. Bans on assault weapons are bans on pistol grips.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 22 Dec, 2018 10:09 pm
@Baldimo,
The day I posted the study it was breaking news and anybody that bothered to read the internet could not have missed it.
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“We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak”

Epictetus

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That saying should also apply to writing as well. You should read twice as much as you write. The title of the article is: “Guns Are the Second Leading Killer of Kids, after Cars” Source was NBC and the study was published in New England Journal of Medicine. The study was done at the University of Michigan Injury Prevention Center. I wonder long it will be before the Gun Manufacturers Association (NRA) starts buying up crooked Michigan politicians to stop any further studies. The NRA could care less if the number of children killed in America is 100 times or 1,000 times the rate in the civilized world as long as they can sell more guns.
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Usually the Gun Manufacturer supply the NRA with most of their money but this year the Communists may have supplied the majority of their money we won’t know until the investigations are over. The article is: “How the Gun Industry Funnels Tens of Millions of Dollars to the NRA” Source: Business Insiders. It is no secret where the NRA’s money comes from to buy their crooked politicians.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2018 10:00 pm
@oralloy,
The NRA is simply a puppet organization for the Gun Manufacturers Association and that has been very carefully documented by following the money. The NSSF is simply a diversion so the public won’t see the real source of its political slush fund. The cigarette manufacturers were so impressed with how the gun manufacturers had set up puppet organization that they created a similar organization for cigarette smokers an organization that could lobby for the ‘freedom” of cigarette smokers to poison everybody’s air with their smoke. This would look terrible coming from the cigarette manufactures but if it looks as if it coming from the public just wanting their freedom it is a different matter. It would look bad if the gun manufacturers said they were protecting the “freedom” of people to kill their whole family people would realize they have a motive, to sell more guns but if an organization of gun nuts were to lobby the gun manufacturers motive to sell more guns remains hidden. This scam has worked for years but now the gun manufacturers can easily be seen pulling the strings of the NRA. Just as in the Wizard of Oz the curtain has been pulled back.

The NRA has one reason to exist and that is to sell more guns for the gun manufacturers
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2018 12:16 pm
@Zardoz,

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The NRA has one reason to exist and that is to sell more guns for the gun manufacturers

The NRA also teaches people how to handle guns safely. Criminals do not take those classes.
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2018 02:02 pm
@coldjoint,
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The NRA also teaches people how to handle guns safely.

So you agree that they're basically shills for the gun manufacturers, that's great. And I agree with you, they do promote marksmanship and gun safety; that was their sole mission before they got hijacked by the survivalist paranoids, white nationalist "flaggots", and libertarian Rambos.

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Criminals do not take those classes.

What's your point? What's germane is that, thanks to the NRA, it's easier than ever for criminals to obtain firearms. Do you really think that crime victims or people who've lost friends or family members to suicides really care whether the firearm was used "safely"?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2018 02:09 pm
@hightor,

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So you agree that they're basically shills for the gun manufacturers, that's great.

They are also shills for the 2nd amendment and that thrills me to no end.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2018 09:41 pm
@coldjoint,
Criminals don’t take those classes? Don’t kid yourself the college boy that shot two people and killed a third was the son of a gun instructor. They may not be criminals when they take the gun nut class, but many will end up as criminals after they shoot their wives, their kids, the neighbors or somebody that cuts them off in traffic. There is one case a couple years ago where a woman was killed because her husband was driving to slow on a freeway. Parking in a handicap parking place is now punishable by death. Once these people get a gun, they believe they are god and get to pick who lives and dies. When someone gets emotionally upset it is to easy to reach for that gun. Years ago, the police chief was caught servicing someone else’s wife when her husband came home and caught them, the husband beat the hell out of the police chief who had been a golden glove boxer. The police chief was beaten so badly he had to leave town until he healed up some. If the guy had access to a gun, he would have killed him and maybe his wife also in the heat of the moment.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2018 10:00 pm
@oralloy,
You realize that people will take the path of least resistance when given a chance. Guns are the path of least resistance to kill people. You can shoot somebody from across the room without getting your hands dirty. But killing someone with a knife you have to be up close and personal and you are going to be covered with blood and there is the possibility that the person you are attacking is stronger than you and he will take the knife away or bust you upside the head with an ash tray. There are very few people killed with knives and they are in every household. When somebody decides to kill someone, they don’t go buy a knife for a good reason. Guns are only in a third of American homes imagine the death toll if they were in 100% like knives. There would be 120,000 killed instead of just 40,000.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2018 09:57 pm
@Baldimo,
Guns are much like cars some cars are designed to reach 300 mph others have trouble reaching 100 mph. Some guns are designed to fire 900 rounds a minute, others would have trouble firing six. Assault weapons are designed to kill large numbers of enemy soldiers on a battlefield which is why they are so popular with mass murderers they want to kill as many people as possible in as short a time period as possible. Not all cars can reach 300mph and not all guns can fire 900 rounds a minute.

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The number of people listed as injured in the Las Vegas shooting was indeed 837. If you’re injured when a building collapses, it is reasonable to believe the collapse of the building caused your injuries. If you are injured at the sight of a mass murder it is reasonable to believe that the guns caused the injuries. Anyway, you look at it the shooter was the proximate cause of all the injuries. Usually the stories on mass murders only list two categories those killed and those injured. Even if we take your figure of 422 shot and 58 killed one man was able to shoot 480 people in ten minutes that means he was able to shoot 48 people every one of those ten minutes. This was only possible because of the weapons of war he had. Think about it, a shooter in your children’s school shooting 48 kids a minute is that really what you want just so you can go bang, bang? Life always comes down to choices.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2018 09:53 am
@hightor,
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So you agree that they're basically shills for the gun manufacturers, that's great.

Not shrills, but with no guns, there is no need for a 2nd Amendment, they sort of go hand in hand, you can't have one without the other.

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And I agree with you, they do promote marksmanship and gun safety; that was their sole mission before they got hijacked by the survivalist paranoids, white nationalist "flaggots", and libertarian Rambos.

They got involved with politics when they noticed that left wing extremists were going to target the 2nd Amendment and then start either banning or "restricting" gun rights.

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What's your point? What's germane is that, thanks to the NRA, it's easier than ever for criminals to obtain firearms.

That is a lie. Did they do away with background checks and other Federal Gun laws?

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Do you really think that crime victims or people who've lost friends or family members to suicides really care whether the firearm was used "safely"?

This is a weak argument and doesn't account for the thousands upon thousands of DGU, that take place in the US every year. Part of safely using a firearm is learning how to defend yourself. There are 500,000 to 2.5 million DGU per year in the US, far out numbering the number of deaths.

 

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