Blah-blah-blah. The point is that you defensively tried to compare a personal argument with someone on a message board with the current "free speech" controversies on college campuses. There is no comparison and I suggest you read the link I provided to help clarify the difference.
This statement reveals that you have the same fundamental misunderstanding of "capitalism" as you have of "socialism". Capitalism developed in response to changing economic traditions over the centuries. It's not a cut-and-dried, ready-to-go ideology which is simply imposed on a society by political economists. There are many forms of capitalism, many of which have adopted components of socialism.
As to where capitalism has failed, again, it's not a simple system which might "fail" in one instance.
It's a complicated set of economic relationships woven deep into society. Businesses fail all the time, workers are underpaid, vast numbers of people are chronically unemployed.
The "business cycle" illustrates the failures of capitalism, recessions and depressions illustrate the failures of capitalism, and currently the rapacious pursuit of profits which has endangered the intricate natural web of inter-relationships which support life as we know it is a failure of capitalism.
The depletion of the ozone layer is the result of capitalists seeking to make higher profits. The steadily increasing amount of CO2 in our atmosphere results from shows just how dangerous unregulated capitalism can be. Polluted air and water, the expansion of invasive and destructive species, and the wholesale destruction of natural eco-systems by factory farming are all indictments against capitalism.
The many failures of capitalism are exactly what has made socialism endure. And by "socialism" I mean a political philosophy where cooperation for the public good takes precedence over the mindless pursuit of economic growth, propelled by greed, at the expense of everything else.
Schools were one of the first things established in every community. Even children who lived far out in the country had access to one room school houses.
You need to read a little about cults, so you will understand what a cult is. A good basic book to give you a basic understanding of what a cult is: “Cults in Our Midst: The Continuing Fight Against Their Hidden Menace” by Margret Thaler Singer. If you know much about organized religion, you know that they began as small religious cults.
The terms are pretty close a mass murder is someone who murders four or more people while a mass shooter is someone who shoots four or more people. The only real difference is that mass shooters are lousy shots. It is clear their intention was to kill. They just lacked the skill, or their guns was not big enough.
You suffer under the fantasy that everyone is honest, and no government is necessary.
If you left corporations to their own devises they would pollute the air until 10s of thousands died each year. You need only to look at pictures of large cities in the 60s.
The ungodly greedy have taken over our government with their money.
Big corporations can now deprive you of your right to sue them. When Wells Fargo fraudulently opened several fraudulent accounts in people’s names when the people went to sue Wells Fargo asserted that they could not be sued because the legal accounts only allowed arbitration to settle disputes.
So, Wells Fargo and large corporations cannot be sued because you sign an arbitration agreement any time you apply for a credit card, job or any other type of business with a company. This is just one way the ungodly greedy get richer the CEO of Wells Fargo got 100s of million on this one scam.
Then you believe it is wrong to tax this criminal stolen money. It was “other people’s” money.
Adam Lanzq is still a perfect example of home schooling.
Did you miss something? He did not massacre first graders while he was in public school it was only after he was isolated in home schooling that he decided to massacre grade schoolers.
The primary purpose of public education is an education, but socialization is an important goal also.
Children have to learn not only how to get along with their peer group but how to handle social situations.
Not only is the isolation of home schooling bad for the child it prevents them from getting help for psychological problems. Parents are seldom objective when it comes to their children especially if they have mental problems. School councilors are trained to spot troubled children.
Your reference totally ignores the fact Lanza was home schooled at the time of the massacre.
No, it's actually a tactic employeed by many leftist on this board against anyone who doesn't agree with them.
When you can't refute the evidence, attack the speaker.
Someone see's a need and decides to fulfill that need or service and then charge a price for those services.
So the simple answer is the capitalist system was never forced on anyone and it hasn't failed...
Last time I looked, unemployment was at an all time low.
"Rapacious" pursuit of profits is the reason for starting a business and wanting it to be successful, if you don't understand that, then it explains why you think socialism is such a fine system.
We are so far from "unregulated" capitalism, we have highly regulated capitalism to the point that little kids can't have a lemonade stand in front of their house without a business permit.
"Cooperation" for the public good says you take away someone's business and land, as has been done in every socialist country in the world.
The aims are pretty clear, take things from people who made them successful and were making money and then put them into the control of the "workers" who then run the business into the ground where it fails and then closes the doors.
You sure had some pretty bad things to say about capitalism and the people who own business's...
but I fail to see how your "workers paradise" is going to solve the issues.
Wrong again. If you'd just pointed out the use of ad hominem I wouldn't have even objected.
A common tactic used by people on any and all sides, your mistake was to attribute it solely to leftists. You're just biased.
Which is light years away from the sort of corporate-dominated society we now live in.
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"So the simple answer is the capitalist system was never forced on anyone and it hasn't failed..."
And like most simple answers to complex questions it's wrong.
I referred to the "chronically unemployed" — people who don't show up on the unemployment reports because they aren't actively looking for work.
There's also a difference between structural and cyclical unemployment. Not to mention the growing income gap. All problems of late stage capitalism.
I've repeated pointed out that "socialism', as you use the term, doesn't exist. You just use the term as a catch-all for any tendency which doesn't fit the outline of your fictitious libertarian paradise.
Do you really think big oil, big pharma, big coal, and big banking have anything to do with kids selling lemonade on the street?
It doesn't "say" that at all.
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and workers' self-management of the means of production[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15]
Many corporations recognize that investing in communities, directly or indirectly, is the responsible path to take and that it increases business profitability over time.
Blah-blah-blah. More libertarian laissez-fairy tales — as if capitalists never ran businesses into the ground!
It isn't. Not only because it doesn't exist but also because realistic people don't believe in paradise and don't expect it.
Issues can be solved incrementally, one at a time. Empirical conditions dictate possibilities, not ideologies.
Communism is a failed utopian economic system that believed it could control greed. Capitalism is a utopian economic system that believes it can harness greed in the end both will fail.
Extremes are seldom the solution the middle road is where the solution will be found. Greed is an economic engine but, in the end, it consumes everything.
Communists are not the only group to realize that religion is a fraud.
Polls show the better the education you have the less likely you are to believe the fairy tales.
I think we can all believe that ignorance is bad, but one thing is far worse and that is “learned ignorance” and that is exactly what organized religion is. On Sunday mornings I am usually out on a 26-mile bike ride and I pass church after church I refer to churches as ignorance schools.
Organized religion exists for one reason, brain washing like all religious cults it depends on brainwashing small children.
Take that away and let the children become adults without being brain washed and organized religion would all but disappear in a few generations.
I can well remember the religious cults attempts to brain wash me, but I always valued my ability to think for myself rather than blindly follow the other lemmings off the cliff.
Rush Slimbaugh probably best express the conservative position on education when he says on his show that public education should be eliminated.
Slimbaugh resents paying property taxes on his multi-million-dollar mansion to pay for schools.
The Unions are fighting for funding for public education where the teachers don’t have to provide school supplies.
We had a saying at the race track that you can beat cubic inches, but you can’t beat cubic dollars. The cubic dollars are being taken away by the conservative control legislatures to give bigger and better tax cuts to large coal and gas companies.
School system are run by the state not the federal government. Your reference is dated there is a world of difference since 2013 in fact that is about the point the conservatives gained control of the state legislature here in WV and there have been huge cuts ever since they gained control.
But there is one area where huge amounts of money are wasted and that is entertainment (sports) when I was in school the high schools played football at the local stadium. The university used it on Saturdays and the high schools used it on Friday night. It was a grass field now each high school has a multi-million-dollar sport complex with astro-turf that must be replaced every few years at a million-dollar cost. No one can play football on grass anymore.
When Reagan cut taxes for the ungodly greedy the states followed suit cutting taxes on the ungodly greedy.
When taxes are cut on the ungodly greedy government services also have to be cut.
Conservatives hate government and when cuts had to be made public schools were an easy target because of the amount of tax dollars spent.
The cuts to public school funding are old as Republican tax cut fever and it was especially severe to state colleges.
The cuts to colleges were not as noticeable because the cost could be shifted to the students. America provided affordable college educations prior to the conservative rise to power. I could easily pay my tuition and buy my books by mowing a few lawns this compares to people coming out of school today owing $300,000 in student loans.
If each college student kicks in $300,000 think what tremendous tax cuts the Republicans can give the ungodly greedy.
The problem with public schools is you can’t get first graders to borrow $300,000 to pay for their education, yet. The only alternative left to the Republicans was to gut the funding to public schools and just let them deteriorate. Letting teachers provide the school supplies out of their pocket that is just a cost shift.
There may be a few school systems in the ungodly greedy neighborhoods that are better funded, but they are the exception not the rule. There are no free lunches or free educations.
You may watch soap operas, but it is evident you don’t spend much time watching the news or you would have seen the materials that the teachers were expected to teach from.
The most important mission for America’s future is the education of the next generation while the Republicans believe the most important mission in America is to make the ungodly greedy far richer.
Teachers are probably the only group that would spend their own money to buy supplies for their employer. .
That tells me teachers must be a pretty special group to use their own money to buy supplies for their classroom.
The teacher had a listing like a bride would have so people would know what to buy for her classroom. She also said some teachers ask for gift cards from certain stores. She was appalled they were doing this but in my view that is far better than buying the supplies out of their pocket. Let’s spread the pain caused by the conservatives around
You don’t know much about human nature and workplace work in clicks.
Suck systems work on oh I go to church with you. I like you. You can see the clicks in the police department and you can always tell what click is in control as to who is on day shift. Suck systems are far worse than the alternative. I always hated sucks they would always work so hard when the boss was in site but as soon as he was gone they were the laziest employee in the shop. But when you would ask the boss they would always say the sucks were the very best employees.
Conservatives live in an alternative universe made up of alternative facts.
Did you see how many days on strike it took to get even a few percentage points of a raise in WV? The conservatives fought tooth and nail here in WV to stop any raise.
One teacher has no power to ever get a pay raise only in a group is their power.
Conservatives specialize in perfect world solutions that only works in a perfect world where reality does not intrude.
In the real world all work places have clicks one click can always justify giving pay raises to their click or sucks.
When the other click is in power the situation reverses itself. You can’t overcome human nature. What you would create giving the teachers pets big pay raises is a very hostile work environment would not only harm morale between the teachers, but it would also be toxic for the children.
Every job has its perks and drawbacks. One problem with that is that some schools are now year-round, and teachers put in a lot of hours off the clock that they are not compensated for while other jobs require overtime pay for extra work.
Wal Mart was successfully sued for having employees work during their break. My wife was paid years after she retired. If teachers filed a class action suit for compensation for all their off-hour work, they would win a substantial settlement.
Do you really believe a non-union teacher would ever get a raise when the conservatives had a choice between giving another $500 million-dollar tax cut to coal companies or a pay raise to teachers?
That was what was going on in WV massive tax cuts were being given to big gas and oil companies.
After the conservatives handed out 100s of million they would say we can’t give you a pay raise we have no money after giving the tax cuts to big business. The next year the story was the same after the third year of multi-million tax cuts push had come to shove. Non-union teachers can’t defend themselves.
You might make 80k but if you were a teacher you would not make that amount.
The job market operates on supply and demand and there are millions of teachers in America but that doesn’t mean teachers should not be paid a living wage.
When there are no unions public employees are paid far less than other workers with the same skills and education level.
In Kentucky some public employees work for free all they get is health insurance. They are second wage earners whose husbands are farmers or truck drivers with no health insurance.
You are so big on freedom, but you don’t believe in the freedom to organize.
Big corporations giving big campaign contributions has been deemed freedom of speech likewise the right to organize should fall under that freedom.
Corporations have been granted all of the freedoms of an individual by the supreme court because under the theory of the individuals involved in corporation the same rights should be granted to unions as they are just an organization like a corporation.
School Board elections are local elections and if you lie to get elected you must face the consequences.
Once you make a bargain and then you let people work for 40 years and say oh I am sorry I am going to take it away to give big tax cuts to big businesses you are no more than a low life thief.
I have no idea how you have an 80k a year job and cannot understand basic taxes that any sixth grader could do.
Eighty percent of people file the short form that the sixth graders could easily do.
Next year when the taxes are done, and people find out that not enough money was taken out of their checks and they have to pay more taxes than they paid the year before there will be lynch mobs looking for Republicans.
Sorry but history says otherwise, Comrade Whitaker Chambers, Comrade Irving Kristol, Comrade James Burnham, and Comrade Kevin Smant are just a few of the communists, look them up.
These were all published authors (I have their books in my library) they were extremely influential in founding the modern conservative movement.
You can lie about history but you can’t wave your hand and make it go away. The substantial contribution of communists to the modern conservative movement can never be overlooked.
