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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 10:32 am
@Zardoz,
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Comrade Whitaker Chambers and the other card-carrying communist are not on the left they are on the right. Don’t think of a political spectrum as a straight line but as a circle were the extremes meet. There is absolutely no doubt that these communists were among the founding fathers of the modern conservative movement. The communists hated the American government and that hate is carried on by the modern conservative movement today.

Who better to fight the spread of communism in the US but by reformed communists. There is no circle on the political scale, of the far right of the political aisle is Anachary, with no govt, on the far left you have communism/fascism, which are both versions of socialism. Modern day conservatives want less govt, not no govt and they certainly don't want a centralization of power at the federal level, which is what socialists desire.

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Did you see the new NRA hat? The R has now been replaced by the hammer and sickle after one of the key members was found to be working for Russia.

Which key member was that?

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The facts are that charter schools can sign up all the students they want but then they can and do reject a number of students.

That's because they realize they only have a limited number of resources and they want to provide the best education they can with the limited money they receive.

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They are paid so much for each student but when they send them back to public school the charter school gets to keep the money.

How much money do you think they get per student? It is generally less than the per student cost of a govt school, about 1/3 less.

Send them back to public school? Do you mean if they get kicked out of the charter school? Do govt schools give money back to the school district when they kick a student out? No they don't, why would charter schools be any different? You will have to prove they keep the money though, I've never head such a thing and the teachers unions have been battling charter schools in CO for about 15 years, I would have heard about it by now.

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By picking and choosing students they can generate higher test scores while the public schools cannot reject students and are shorted the money.

You have no real facts on this issue, just made up stories told to you by the teachers unions. Links and facts please.

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Cubic dollars speak volumes.

You are correct, they do. That's why teachers unions are paying off politicians to agree to their agenda's. Our schools have gotten worse the more power the teachers unions have gained.

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It is very clear that the ungodly greedy got huge tax cuts while a good portion of the middle class did not get a tax cut, the Republicans fully intended to raise the lower tax bracket from 10% to 12% and tell the fools what a big tax cut they got. Only in the last minutes was a tax raise for the middle class voted down.

Links?

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In some states have already projected that only the richest 65% will get a tax cut in states like New Jersey according to the Tax Policy Center.

New Jersey is a high tax state, they lost their 10k a year state write off on the fed taxes. Screw New Jersey and those other states with high taxes, they are getting what they deserve.

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Don’t kid yourself when families with several children have to pay taxes on an extra $20,000 that money has to come from somewhere and at least some of it will come out of their food budget.

Several? You mean like the bogus "10 kids" example you tried to use?

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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2018 09:28 pm
Today we find ourselves in a unique situation we have the Russian Military determined to take control of the United States and half of the population is not in the least concerned because of tribalism. We have a president who is blinded by his idol worship of Russia and Putin. How did we get here? The roots of our current predicament did not begin with Trump. Remember the communist who founded the modern conservative movement. Later they became known as the neoconservatives this group approached Clinton with a plan to take control of the middle east. Clinton rejected their plan but when baby Bush took office and after 9/11 the neoconservatives had Bush’s attention. It was called the Arab Spring and if enough discontent could be spread through social media and other means the current governments would be overthrown and the United States would not need to invade the countries and would have plausible deniability. As Putin watched as the government one Arab country after another fell he believed the United States was behind it and no doubt he was right. But when the social unrest started in the Ukrainian and the government was forced out Putin believed that United States was responsible, and he was livid. This was right on his door step.

The Russian started planning a full-scale attack on the United States through social media.
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“In the article, Gerasimov explored how social media had fueled the Arab Spring. He noted in the internet dominated world there were new means of waging war: “political, economic, informational.”
And these means could involve “the protest potential of the population.” In other words, informational warfare could be used to weaponize political division within another nation. Gerasimov was crafting a doctrine of “hybrid warfare” --- a new form of conflict in which “frontal engagements “by army battalions and fighter aircraft would become “a thing of the past” replaced by hackers and skilled propagandists trained to exploit existing first within the ranks of the adversary.”

From: “Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin’s war on America and the Election of Donald Trump”

By: Michael Isiko and David Corn

Gerasimov is General Valery Gerasimov the Chief of Staff of the Russian Armed forces and the exerts are from a published article.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2018 10:17 am
@Zardoz,
History is not your strong suit. The Arab Spring actually took place under the Obama administration and will full support from Obama. When Bush left office, we were only military active in 3 countries, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. When Obama left office, we were active in 8 countries.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2018 09:24 pm
@Baldimo,
Sorry history is my strong suit I actually watch the real news not the right-wing propaganda network while your information comes directly from Russia with love on Face Book or viral propaganda. I read extensively I keep books in all 5 of my vehicles so when I am stuck in traffic or have a few minutes to read and in several rooms in the house. I don’t read one book at a time I may read one from the right and one from the left, so I can contrast the differences.

In this case did not have to dig the story of the Arab spring our of history books, I lived it. The neo-conservatives (read that as card carrying American communists) planned to take over the middle east buy installing “friendly governments” this was not a new idea as the CIA had installed friendly governments and worked to keep them in power. America kept the Shaw of Iran in power from 1941 until 1979. The Arab Spring was not a boots on the ground operation that type of warfare is now obsolete according to the Russian Chief of Staff. Wars will be waged with information technology to exploit existing differences. The first to fall under the new warfare was Tunisia in 2010. It is so much easier if a revolution can be sparked no need for boots on the ground. The revolutions spread to five other countries, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Syria and Bahrain the regimes were toppled or there were major uprisings. “Sustained street demonstration took place in Morocco, Iraq, Algeria, Iranian Khuzestan, Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman and Sudan. The military operation that began after 9/11 the more sophisticated operations took place when Obama was in office, but they had been in the planning stages during the baby Bush’s term in office.

Source: Wikipedia “Arab Spring”
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2018 10:54 am
@Zardoz,
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Sorry history is my strong suit I actually watch the real news not the right-wing propaganda network while your information comes directly from Russia with love on Face Book or viral propaganda. I read extensively I keep books in all 5 of my vehicles so when I am stuck in traffic or have a few minutes to read and in several rooms in the house. I don’t read one book at a time I may read one from the right and one from the left, so I can contrast the differences.

If history was your strong point, you wouldn't be a socialist. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, as socialist nations have been proving for the last 50 years of failure and reattempts.

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In this case did not have to dig the story of the Arab spring our of history books, I lived it.

We all did, it took place from 2010 until 2012.

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The neo-conservatives (read that as card carrying American communists) planned to take over the middle east buy installing “friendly governments” this was not a new idea as the CIA had installed friendly governments and worked to keep them in power. America kept the Shaw of Iran in power from 1941 until 1979.

It's funny you keep mentioning these supposed communists being in charge of the GOP and yet they were doing everything they could to fight against actual communism where ever it tried to spread. Why would "communists" fight against communists?

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The Arab Spring was not a boots on the ground operation that type of warfare is now obsolete according to the Russian Chief of Staff. Wars will be waged with information technology to exploit existing differences.

What do you think the majority of the Cold War actually was? It wasn't military boots on the ground, it was spooks working from the shadows, these tactic's haven't changed, they have gone high tech.

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The first to fall under the new warfare was Tunisia in 2010. It is so much easier if a revolution can be sparked no need for boots on the ground. The revolutions spread to five other countries, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Syria and Bahrain the regimes were toppled or there were major uprisings. “Sustained street demonstration took place in Morocco, Iraq, Algeria, Iranian Khuzestan, Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman and Sudan.

Once again, this isn't new, they only changed the technology they use. Pirate radio vs the internet...
The Arab Spring started in 2010, 2 years after Bush left office, Bush didn't have anything to do with the Arab Spring.

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The military operation that began after 9/11 the more sophisticated operations took place when Obama was in office, but they had been in the planning stages during the baby Bush’s term in office.
Source: Wikipedia “Arab Spring”

Bush had nothing to do with the Arab Spring, that was Obama's baby and it mostly failed and lead to the rise of ISIS, which is also Obama's fault.

Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2018 09:18 pm
@Baldimo,
Name calling was big in grade school but in adults it tells you far more about the person doing the name calling than the one who is being called. Everybody likes to call our economic arrangement as a capitalist society but our society employees both capitalist and social solutions to economic problems. For instance, fire insurance socializes the cost of replacing your home if it burns down. Health insurance socialize the cost catastrophic health problems. In fact, all types of insurance socialize a risk. In a true a capitalist society risk would not be socialized each person would depend on their own economic lottery. Social Security is right out of the socialist playbook and we know that Americans absolutely hate social security. Unemployment is a socialist inspired solution to temporary unemployment. Imagine someone in a capitalist society being paid for not working. Medicare is again a social solution to the problem of elderly health care. In the end the American government is far more likely to employee social solutions to the problems of government than capitalist solutions. Those who run around with their nose in the air and blinders on are only blind because they refuse to see. Every problem is only a nail for those who have only a hammer. In the real world we realize that every problem is not a nail. You realize of course that socialism is a relative newcomer as an economic system. There are those who have won the economic lottery and will fight to keep the lottery in place.
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The first to fall in Arab Spring were Iraq and Afghanistan the planning took place in the 90s. It was called Project for a New American Century (PNAC). This was a neoconservative think tank. Many people were puzzled when baby Bush decided to attack Iraq which had nothing at all to do with 9/11. But as soon as baby Bush took office the Bush administration they were focused on attacking Iraq. In the first meeting of the cabinet Rumsfeld stated that they would need an incident in order to attack Iraq nine months later the ‘incident” happened. Why was the Bush administration so determined to attack Iraq? The Arab Spring planed by the neoconservatives. Remember how Dick Cheney said the Iraqis would throw flowers at the feet of our invading soldiers.

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There is a word for those who suddenly switch sides. We have double agents. Spy masters like Whitaker Chambers that turned American citizens against their government handing out top secret plans of our battleships to Nazi Germany. But why did the communist switch sides? Because communists became public enemy number one. They did not have a choice.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2018 10:40 am
@Zardoz,
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Name calling was big in grade school but in adults it tells you far more about the person doing the name calling than the one who is being called.

This coming from a guy always calls wealth people the "ungodly greedy"...
double interesting since you are a atheist and mock religion.
Is calling you a socialist really calling you a name or just highlighting your economic policies? It would seem you embrace socialism, so why not embrace the true label and stop trying to hid like most socialists have done for the last 50 years? You can call me a capitalist all you want to, I won't hide my economic beliefs behind a false facade like socialists tend to do.

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Everybody likes to call our economic arrangement as a capitalist society but our society employees both capitalist and social solutions to economic problems.

There is nothing socialist about our economy, it is our govt handouts which are socialist, but not all of them.

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For instance, fire insurance socializes the cost of replacing your home if it burns down.

Fire insurance does no such thing, it only spreads the cost to those who have paid fire insurance, it doesn't "socialize" the cost to everyone as you claim.

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Health insurance socialize the cost catastrophic health problems.

No it doesn't. If we had your type of socialized medicine, that would be the case. In the US system, the cost of insurance is shared by those who are customers of that insurance company and used to be broke down even further into different insurance pools.

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In fact, all types of insurance socialize a risk.

They do not socialize risk, the risk is presented in the different insurance pools that people are categorized into. The ACA flipped this on it's head when they decided healthy young people should pay for older sick people. They didn't "socialize" a burden, they shifted it to a different group of people, as is the shell game with socialism.

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In a true a capitalist society risk would not be socialized each person would depend on their own economic lottery.

You prove you know nothing about capitalism when you use terms like "economic lottery". In our society, risk is not put on everyone, it's only put on the person taking the actual risk. You don't pay a dime if I start a business and it fails, that effects me and my family only as we took the risk of starting the business. You don't understand the basic concepts on capitalism.

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Social Security is right out of the socialist playbook and we know that Americans absolutely hate social security.

Some Americans don't like it and want to see a change. The sad side is the left use SS as carrot stick for the weak minded masses.

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Unemployment is a socialist inspired solution to temporary unemployment. Imagine someone in a capitalist society being paid for not working.

Sorry Charlie, but unlike other programs, only people who pay into unemployment get unemployment. Since everyone who works pays into the unemployment fund, along with their employer, it is not a "socialized program", it is an earned program, not an entitlement. Similar to SS, except people who have never paid into SS can collect it.

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Medicare is again a social solution to the problem of elderly health care.

I'll agree with you and I actually have no issues with Medicare, I just don't think it should be expanded to the entire US population.

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In the end the American government is far more likely to employee social solutions to the problems of government than capitalist solutions.

That depends on who is in power in Congress. The biggest reason govt is more likely to include "socialist solutions" is because a majority of those who have worked in govt for the last 100 years have never been business owners and don't know who to do anything in a capitalist way. They look to their own power to do what THEY feel is best for the masses, regardless of what their constituents want them to do. Politicians are the Kings/Queens of virtue signaling with other people's money, this goes for both sides of the aisle, GOP and DNC alike, it's why I left the GOP in 2012.

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Those who run around with their nose in the air and blinders on are only blind because they refuse to see. Every problem is only a nail for those who have only a hammer.

This is why we should demand a weaker Federal govt and stronger State govt's, centralized power is bad for the people, as they think our Liberties, Freedoms and Rights should change as the political winds blow.

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In the real world we realize that every problem is not a nail. You realize of course that socialism is a relative newcomer as an economic system.

Socialism isn't that new, it has been around since at least the 1800's and the biggest socialist revolutions, which have all failed were only 100 years ago. They continued to try and spread and they continued to fail, yet some useful idiots in Universities still think they can usher in socialism under different guises every 20 years or so.

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There are those who have won the economic lottery and will fight to keep the lottery in place.

There is no such thing as an "economic lottery", stop using made up terms with no basis in reality. You either have a good business idea or you have a bad business idea, there is no lottery, the people decide which idea is better and that business becomes successful, it isn't "luck of the draw".

Let me guess, you like to use the term "trickle down economics", which doesn't exist and isn't taught in any business school, instead of it's real name, Supply side economics? Am I correct?
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jul, 2018 09:30 pm
The Russian military attack on America is ongoing. The very day after Trump targeted Senator Clare McCaskill the Russian military tried to hack her computers. The Russians have absolutely no intention of stopping their attacks on the American political system. The Trump administration has made no attempt to stop the Russian military attack. In fact, they have not even held any meetings or funded any defensive actions. When Trump says that Putin strongly denied that the Russian military was behind the attacks and that is proof positive to him that the Russian military didn’t have anything to do with the attacks.

If the Russian military was invading New York with bombs going off all around Trump, he would call Putin and if Putin denied it Trump would tell people don’t believe your lying eyes. England had Nevil Chamberlin who repeatedly tried to appease Hitler and we have Donald Trump who is sure we need better relations with Russia. It is hard to have a good relationship with a country when they are actively stabbing you in the back.

How effective is the Russian military attack? We developed stealth air planes that would not be detected by radar, but the Russian have done us one better they have perfected the art of attacking and not being detected by many. If they are detected they simply deny it. People have a need to be consistent and tend to believe what is consistent with their world view.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jul, 2018 09:30 pm
@Baldimo,
Taxes were designed to tax specific things. Property tax taxes property, sales tax taxes the things you buy, income taxes only excess wealth, if you don’t own property you don’t pay property tax, if you don’t buy anything you don’t pay sales tax. Only those who have excess wealth should pay income tax and we know that only people that made in excess of a $100,000 (in today’s dollars) paid income tax. Congress clearly understood what was being taxed and it was never intended to tax a workingman’s wage. First you had to make a living and then and only than if you made excess wealth would you pay income tax.
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“Way down in the hearts of the masses of mankind there lurks a strong sense…
“That vast accumulations of wealth in the hands of individuals or corporations should help support the government, under which they acquired, by which they are protected and without which they would vanish. “

“Why tax the widow’s mite and the orphan bread and not tax these accumulations? Why lay tribute on what we eat and wear, and leave untaxed millions in the hands of those who can never personally consume it, and with whom it is surplus?”

Congressman Brenton McMillian making the argument for a tax on excess wealth in the Saturday Evening Post
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jul, 2018 09:26 pm
@Baldimo,
Why should the poor be taxed to pay for multi-million-dollar football and baseball stadiums that they can never afford to go? They are paid for by raising the sales tax on the necessities they need to survive. Sales tax is a regressive tax and the poor pay a much higher percentage of sales tax because all of their income is taxed while only a tiny percentage of the rich’s income is taxed as they spend only a tiny portion of their income. Bonds have to be repaid that means they have to have a revenue stream to repay them. Civic Centers and stadiums lose a staggering amount of money, so they are never able to pay for themselves. If the NFL wants stadiums let them build them and pay for the maintenance. They should also pay all the taxes due on the properties. The NFL and other sports organization are on government welfare. That is a welfare system for billionaire’s team owners. To give a few thousand a year to feed starving children is an outrage but they see nothing at all wrong with the government giving millions to billionaires. But nobody complains about that $100s of millions in welfare for billionaires wonder why?
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“It takes as many yards of cloth to clothe comfortably and as many pounds of sugar, meat and vegetables to feed bountifully a poor man as a rich one.”

“Hence when taxation is based on consumption…thee burden is borne unequally----the poor pay more and the rich pay less than their fair share.”
Hence we have taxed Want instead of Wealth.”

“If there ever was a time when the concentrated wealth of the land should bear its share of our enormous expense of government, it is now.”

Congressman Brenton McMillian in the argument over income tax in 1913.


Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2018 10:51 am
@Zardoz,
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Taxes were designed to tax specific things.

Not all taxes, as you prove with the rest of this illogical post.

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Property tax taxes property, sales tax taxes the things you buy, income taxes only excess wealth, if you don’t own property you don’t pay property tax, if you don’t buy anything you don’t pay sales tax.

You were using logic until the point you said only "excess wealth". You have never defined "excess wealth" and wealth is not the same as income. So your entire income tax on "excess wealth", main part being income, not wealth. Now following your logic, if you have an income, you pay a tax. What you really want is a wealth tax, not an income tax. How high should that wealth tax be?

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Only those who have excess wealth should pay income tax and we know that only people that made in excess of a $100,000 (in today’s dollars) paid income tax.

Your logic is faulty, you don't want an income tax, you want a wealth tax, which is completely different. As I noted above, according to the rest of your logic on taxes, if you have an income, you pay income tax.

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“Way down in the hearts of the masses of mankind there lurks a strong sense…
“That vast accumulations of wealth in the hands of individuals or corporations should help support the government, under which they acquired, by which they are protected and without which they would vanish. “

“Why tax the widow’s mite and the orphan bread and not tax these accumulations? Why lay tribute on what we eat and wear, and leave untaxed millions in the hands of those who can never personally consume it, and with whom it is surplus?”

Congressman Brenton McMillian making the argument for a tax on excess wealth in the Saturday Evening Post

You should know that it is easier to do research on someone if you spell their name correctly...
Benton McMillin... It's almost like you are trying to give out bad info.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2018 11:23 am
@Zardoz,
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Why should the poor be taxed to pay for multi-million-dollar football and baseball stadiums that they can never afford to go?

Typically the poor are not taxed. I found a decent article on the subject from PBS, it seems a minority of stadiums are funded with increased sales taxes, but a majority of the cost comes from either Hotel taxes or bonds:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/public-money-used-build-sports-stadiums

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Sales tax is a regressive tax and the poor pay a much higher percentage of sales tax because all of their income is taxed while only a tiny percentage of the rich’s income is taxed as they spend only a tiny portion of their income.

Nonsense. The sales tax is actually the most fair tax of them all, you only pay taxes on what you use. Wealthy people spend much much more in sales taxes than poor people do, because they consume more. I don't know about other states, but Colorado and most of it's cities don't have sales taxes on food.

Which rich people are you talking about, rich people who make their money by investing or rich people who actually pay normal income taxes like the rest of us?

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Civic Centers and stadiums lose a staggering amount of money, so they are never able to pay for themselves.

That is a lie. The success of the stadium usually depends on how good the team is and what other types of entertainment the stadium can be used for. Sports stadiums are used for much more than the sports team they were built for. A perfect example is concerts, which depending on the venue can be booked for more concerts than a teams sport season, football being another prime example. Only half their regular season games are played at home, which is maybe 7 or 8 home games a year, but they can have 30 concerts per year and that doesn't account for other events these stadiums are booked for.

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If the NFL wants stadiums let them build them and pay for the maintenance.

If that is the case, the city should also have no say about the types of events that are held in a PRIVATE building... we know that isn't the case though, politicians are busy bodies who think they know what's better for us than we do.

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They should also pay all the taxes due on the properties. The NFL and other sports organization are on government welfare.

Do you have any proof that they don't pay their property taxes? I wonder if you have this same feeling about the UN... how much money does the city of New York lose each year on that anti-American BS political body?
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/new-york-united-nations-time-divorce-article-1.1465170

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The NFL and other sports organization are on government welfare. That is a welfare system for billionaire’s team owners. To give a few thousand a year to feed starving children is an outrage but they see nothing at all wrong with the government giving millions to billionaires. But nobody complains about that $100s of millions in welfare for billionaires wonder why?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tax-season/
Like a majority of the information you provide, it is outdated and wrong.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jul, 2018 09:11 pm
@Baldimo,
Sorry the real debate was held in 1913 and the winning side placed a tax on excess wealth and only excess wealth. The ungodly greedy then used their wealth to pervert the law and shift their tax burden to the working poor and then they have the nerve to complain that the middle class and poor aren’t paying a tax placed on excess wealth. There are a number of other Federal taxes besides income tax gift tax, inheritance tax, Medicare tax, social security, unemployment tax. The Trump tariffs will place a tax on everything from $5,000 on a car to 14% on washing machines. The Trump taxes will be higher than anything ever seen before. The foreign countries don’t pay tariffs the American consumers pays the tariffs.
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The 1913 tax on excess wealth is the foundation that all later tax legislation stands on it would be like taking the foundation out from under a building, remove the foundation and the building collapses. No matter what it was named it is clearly defined by what it taxed, and it didn’t tax the first $100,000 in income (today’s dollars). The congressmen made it very clear that the tax was never intended to tax the workingman, and these were the men that wrote the law. I suspect that they were far more familiar with what they intend then you ever will be.

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Most people have no idea how many different taxes you pay. You pay taxes on utilities, on tires, on your telephone, tolls on roads are taxes, there are state income taxes, city income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and many more to numerous to list here. There is no such thing as a free lunch government services require money.

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Sorry the employee does pay the tax. It was deducted from my check and listed as a deduction on my stub. The employer paid nothing. If you made $5 that week you got nothing. It was another example of a regressive tax. The city council passed an income tax, but the current mayor wanted to make it regressive and cap it at a $80,000. I argued in front of council that the cap should be removed, and all income should be subject to the tax and council removed the cap. The next week the mayor argued again for the cap stating that social security was capped so should this tax and council changed it back with a higher cap. The tax was taken to court and the judge sat on it killing it without a hearing and the regressive tax remained. A doctor making a million a year paid $5 a week as well as a kid working at McDonalds part time.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2018 10:05 am
@Zardoz,
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Sorry the real debate was held in 1913 and the winning side placed a tax on excess wealth and only excess wealth. The ungodly greedy then used their wealth to pervert the law and shift their tax burden to the working poor and then they have the nerve to complain that the middle class and poor aren’t paying a tax placed on excess wealth.

The only debate had was the govt deciding it was going to start collecting a tax on income. I don't care who they first passed it on, when govt decides it is going to provide "public services", then it is the public who pays for it, not just the people who you think should pay for it.

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There are a number of other Federal taxes besides income tax gift tax, inheritance tax, Medicare tax, social security, unemployment tax.

The truely greedy are those who pass these taxes so they can feel good about themselves for helping others. The numerous taxes we pay is criminal.

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The Trump tariffs will place a tax on everything from $5,000 on a car to 14% on washing machines. The Trump taxes will be higher than anything ever seen before. The foreign countries don’t pay tariffs the American consumers pays the tariffs.

Who are you kidding, if the leftists had their way, we would all be paying massive amounts in taxes, and we still wouldn't have enough money to cover all the things they want to pay for.

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The 1913 tax on excess wealth is the foundation that all later tax legislation stands on it would be like taking the foundation out from under a building, remove the foundation and the building collapses. No matter what it was named it is clearly defined by what it taxed, and it didn’t tax the first $100,000 in income (today’s dollars). The congressmen made it very clear that the tax was never intended to tax the workingman, and these were the men that wrote the law. I suspect that they were far more familiar with what they intend then you ever will be.

Make an income, pay the income tax.

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Most people have no idea how many different taxes you pay. You pay taxes on utilities, on tires, on your telephone, tolls on roads are taxes, there are state income taxes, city income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and many more to numerous to list here. There is no such thing as a free lunch government services require money.

You are correct, but the left lets their mindless followers think there is a free lunch. People not knowing all the different taxes is the reason the govt can continue to pass new and different taxes, they have kept the masses stupid as to how govt really works. They think they can tax the rich and the govt will magically be able to afford all the "free stuff" the socialists want to offer.
What does the 19 year old college student understand about running a business? They haven't even lived life yet and they want to complain about how unfair the world is...

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Sorry the employee does pay the tax. It was deducted from my check and listed as a deduction on my stub. The employer paid nothing. If you made $5 that week you got nothing. It was another example of a regressive tax.

Just like politicians, I don't care about you, I was referring to the present day example of what Seattle caved on when the socialists pushed to hard, another example of greedy politicians thinking the money people make belongs to them. These are the policies you support in order to pay for your socialist dreams. Don't complain, embrace the suck you created and want.

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The city council passed an income tax, but the current mayor wanted to make it regressive and cap it at a $80,000. I argued in front of council that the cap should be removed, and all income should be subject to the tax and council removed the cap. The next week the mayor argued again for the cap stating that social security was capped so should this tax and council changed it back with a higher cap. The tax was taken to court and the judge sat on it killing it without a hearing and the regressive tax remained. A doctor making a million a year paid $5 a week as well as a kid working at McDonalds part time.

That sounds fair to me. If you leftists want taxes, then they should be paid by all, not just those you think make too much money.
If there is a tax you are not willing to pay, then no one else should pay it either, that is considered fair and equal treatment.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jul, 2018 08:32 pm
It is good news week we just found out Trump is well on his way to bankrupting America and who better to do it then Trump who has filed bankruptcy no less than six times. The name of the article is: “US on Track to Borrow More Money Since the 2008 Financial Crisis.” The country will be forced to borrow $769 billion to stay afloat in the last six months of the year. Trump is another Ronald Reagan and you will remember Reagan gave massive tax cuts to the ungodly greedy that resulted in tripling the National Debt. Same lie when we cut taxes it will result in more taxes being paid sort of like the fishes and loafs miracle in he bible and that never happened either. During 2008 all the major banks were bailed out along with General Motors and Trump has managed to spend that much in tax cuts for the ungodly greedy.

How anyone could elect someone that went bankrupt six times is beyond me. Oh, I forgot it was the Russians who got Trump elected by feeding Russian propaganda to the under educated. When Trump finally succeeds in his seventh bankruptcy he will just move to Russia to live since Putin and him are best friends.
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Reply Wed 1 Aug, 2018 09:13 pm
The IRS advised on May 4, 2018 that taxpayers check their tax withholdings it seems there are several new factors that will affect the amount of taxes due that were not reflected in the withholdings tables. It seems the IRS doesn’t want people finding out to late that they owe a lot of income tax. It also seems the current tax withholding tables do not reflect the taxes that will be owed in January. So much for those tax calculators you relied on.

Baldimo, I won’t say I told you so, what the hell I will tell you that I told you that it was a Republican tax scam. The IRS says you should reconsider the amount of money taken out of your check before it is too late. It is very surprising how little publicity this IRS bulletin got. When I searched for the article I found that the IRS site for the bulletin is down for maintenance and no doubt will be down until after the election. Beware of liars and conmen bearing gifts.
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 2 Aug, 2018 09:20 pm
@Baldimo,
It is easy to say lie but that does not make the facts disappear the poor and the rich pay 17% of their income in taxes when all taxes are taken into account while the middle class pays 21% of their income in taxes and that was before the last two rounds of tax cuts for the ungodly greedy by now the ungodly greedy will pay a smaller percentage of their income than even the poor.

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If you passed a tax on income in excess of $100,000 today there would be no doubt that it was a tax placed on excess wealth. That is exactly what happened in 1913 (in today’s dollars) and that bill was never repealed it was prostituted by the rich to tax income that was never intended to be taxed. It is high time to bring the income tax law back to what it was intended to tax. I have listed the actual arguments made before congress when the law was income tax law was passed. The ungodly greedy bribed politicians to tax the poor and middle class. “Why tax the widow’s mite and the orphan’s bread and not tax the accumulation of wealth?” Do you think that argument was about taxing working people’s income?

If you believe the income tax law expired, please list the years no income tax was in effect.

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Union President of what? AFSCME local 598 we represented all city of Huntington employees except sworn officers of the Fire, Police departments and administrative employees that amounted to over 300 at one time. The public works department was bigger than either the Fire or Police. We also represented the civilian employees in both the Fire and Police departments.
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I don’t know of one person that ever-called health Insurance a medical coverage plan. When I was hired I was told it was health insurance and that never changed. On my pay stub it was billed as health insurance. Let’s compare car insurance to medical insurance. I bought a new Honda CRV for my wife out of state and had to take it to town for an inspection sticker. An idiot blew a red light according to witnesses at 60 mph. He then hit me a second time to shove me out of the way, so he could run. After he was caught he had no insurance and no driver’s license. Even the car was barrowed from someone else. My car insurance paid for the car and even paid the $1,200 in title tax. There was just $300 deducible.

My wife had back surgery that cost $21,000 under the cities health insurance plan the deductible was $1,500 the insurance only pays 80% of the first $10,000 after the deducible is paid. That adds another $2,000. After that there are many other medical expenses that are no longer covered. Add to that another $1,836 in monthly premiums. That would have cost me $3,500 but I was on Medicare with a supplement that paid the entire bill.

The for-profit health insurance in America is in a tailspin and will crash soon. There is no reason that anybody should make a huge profit off of people dying with cancer. Insurance companies pay CEOs millions of dollars and that money comes from those that are suffering and dying. Every other civilized country knows that health insurance is a scam.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 09:55 am
@Zardoz,
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It is easy to say lie but that does not make the facts disappear the poor and the rich pay 17% of their income in taxes when all taxes are taken into account while the middle class pays 21% of their income in taxes and that was before the last two rounds of tax cuts for the ungodly greedy by now the ungodly greedy will pay a smaller percentage of their income than even the poor.

Like a typical socialist, you don't denote the difference between taxes on investment income and standard income, you fell for the Buffet Rule BS didn't you?

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If you believe the income tax law expired, please list the years no income tax was in effect.

If you earn an income you should pay an income tax. Prior to 1913, we didn't have an income tax, that was over 100 years of no income tax... so how far back do we want to go to find laws we like?

My preference would be a flat tax of no higher than 15% for everyone. You live here, you pay taxes.

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Union President of what? AFSCME local 598 we represented all city of Huntington employees except sworn officers of the Fire, Police departments and administrative employees that amounted to over 300 at one time. The public works department was bigger than either the Fire or Police. We also represented the civilian employees in both the Fire and Police departments.

There should be no govt employee unions, it's a scam to rob the taxpayers at the unions expense. With the latest SCOTUS ruling on union dues, we should start seeing a decline in govt unions, it's about time.

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Let’s compare car insurance to medical insurance. I bought a new Honda CRV for my wife out of state and had to take it to town for an inspection sticker. An idiot blew a red light according to witnesses at 60 mph. He then hit me a second time to shove me out of the way, so he could run. After he was caught he had no insurance and no driver’s license. Even the car was barrowed from someone else. My car insurance paid for the car and even paid the $1,200 in title tax. There was just $300 deducible.

Tell me this, what is the govt subsidy on the car insurance or the govt controlled pricing involved with said insurance/regulation?

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My wife had back surgery that cost $21,000 under the cities health insurance plan the deductible was $1,500 the insurance only pays 80% of the first $10,000 after the deducible is paid. That adds another $2,000. After that there are many other medical expenses that are no longer covered. Add to that another $1,836 in monthly premiums. That would have cost me $3,500 but I was on Medicare with a supplement that paid the entire bill.

Now to show the silliness of this comparison, with a wrecked car the car insurance company would rather pay off the car then pay to have it repaired, you don't have that option with a broken wife, they have to send her into the shop for repair.

Besides most states having laws requiring you to carry auto insurance, they mostly only require minimal coverage, liability insurance, and also offer several levels of deductibles. There is also no federal regulation of car insurance or drivers license, all regulation takes place at the state level and there is also no taxpayer subsidies for car insurance like there is in health insurance.

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The for-profit health insurance in America is in a tailspin and will crash soon.

Why is it in a tailspin? The ACA did the insurance market no favors and only made the system worse. The failure of the health insurance business
will only come about due to govt interference in that market.

Laser eye surgery and most cosmetic surgery is perfect example of the free market at work in the medical field. They have seen some of the greatest advancements in the last 30 years and has seen the most consistent drop in pricing. Meaning that while the tech has gotten better it has also gotten cheaper. You can also look at the costs of cash only, they don't accept insurance, medical offices and see the massive price increase because of insurance. When Dr's take insurance, they pretty much work for the insurance company or the govt in their patients are mostly medicare/medicaid holders. In the supplied article, you can read about a guy who needed a knee replacement. His local hospital wanted $40k, that didn't include any of the other costs such as being put under or meds afterwards. He found a cash hospital who wanted about $19k for the whole entire procedure, and that included airfare to the out of state location. Half the cost and it was all inclusive, to include after care, no more bills.
http://time.com/4649914/why-the-doctor-takes-only-cash/

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There is no reason that anybody should make a huge profit off of people dying with cancer. Insurance companies pay CEOs millions of dollars and that money comes from those that are suffering and dying. Every other civilized country knows that health insurance is a scam.

Let's get real, you don't think anyone should be making huge profits, it has nothing to do with health insurance companies and everything to do with the anti-profit belief of socialism. It seems the only people you don't mind making millions are the union leaders.

Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 09:16 pm
@Baldimo,
Why should there be difference in taxes between investment income and standard income? If one man’s income from gambling on the stock market, that is what it is legalized gambling, or standard income. The only real difference is those that have money to invest are rich to start with. I don’t follow Buffet, so the reference is meaningless.

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Do you know that the constitution was amended in 1913 to make the tax on excess wealth (income tax) possible so anything that predates the 16th Amendment is meaningless?

Everybody already pays taxes though some don’t pay the tax on excess wealth. If you make $82,000 and the income tax deductible was put back to where it belongs at $100,000 you would pay taxes only on a portion of your wife’s income, so you would be far better off. Why argue that multi-billionaires hedge fund managers should get by using the carried interest loophole paying only 5%? The hedge fund managers earn a salary like everyone else.

My preference would be the income tax be adjusted back to the original $100,000 deduction (in today’s dollars). This would give the economy a big boost as the middle class would spend the money and it would turn over several times. The ungodly greedy just bank the money or spend it overseas which stifles the economy.
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I have worked both closed shops and open shops. There will always be freeloaders and deadbeats, but they make up only 1 or 2% in an open shop. Most people are not deadbeats or freeloaders and are willing to pay for better benefits and wages.

I was called up to the mayor’s office and offered department heads wages if I would let them make my job administrative. It was $5,000 or $6,000 more a year. I turned them down. The director of administration and finance ask me why? He said more union people were fired than administrative people. I told him that was true but when a union employee was fired it was for good cause like being drunk or not coming to work but administrative employees are fired it is because they fell out of the click. My job was written out of the budget, but it was restored later. As for the Director of Administration and finance he fell out of the click along with 6 other administrative employees in my department and were terminated within the year. This type of incident leaves a big impression on other employees. When the new mayor and council went to eliminate my job and another union employee at a budget meeting a union officer stood at the meeting and said those two employees are union. The jobs were restored but the other six positions were eliminated. As for me I never missed another budget meeting.


If you had to choose between being a will and pleasure employee or someone who could only be fired for just cause which would you choose?


Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2018 09:20 pm
@Baldimo,
Insurance has been going up at near double-digit numbers for 50 years that is why we are in trouble. Health insurance was designed to pool the risk, while not everyone is going to have a baby neither is everybody going to have cancer. Change of life babies are not uncommon our personal director was very surprised in her late forties to be expecting. You must have had a very cut-rate policy not to have maternity coverage. Do you have a daughter under 25? That would cover her.

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The major problem with health insurance now is that is unaffordable for most of the middle class if not offered at work. It is not like purchasing a car. If you can’t afford a car you can walk. If your child needs medical care you are going to see he gets it and if you have no insurance someone else with insurance will pay the bill. The idea behind the ACA was to see that those with no coverage had to buy insurance which would help reduce everyone health insurance over time. Before ACA medical coverage was limited to $1,000,000 the ACA removed that cap. Some children had exhausted their lifetime medical insurance coverage before the ACA removed the limit.
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With car insurance there are certain coverage required by law one is uninsured motorist and the other is liability. Why should health insurance be any different? You could set down with a long list of inheritable diseases and pick out the ones that did not occur in your family and try and pick out the ones that you might get and buy only insurances on the diseases that ran in your family. Health insurance was a total and complete failure and Presidents from as far back as Truman have tried to bring us kicking and screaming into the twentieth century with the rest of the first world countries. The Republicans blocked the public option which is what would have made health insurance affordable.
 

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