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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2018 09:17 pm
@Baldimo,
You don’t live in the real world, do you? You don’t even have a clue. Here is a simple math problem when you retire the average pension is $15,000 but the insurance but a greed-based health insurance which has a very high deductible and only pays 80% costs $21,000 a year. Do the math and explain how you pay for a $21,000 health insurance policy with your $15,000 pension. Better yet explain how you keep from being homeless. Very few of the retirees in AFSCME could afford health insurance until Obamacare came along. Obamacare premiums were based on income. Administrative employees are slightly better off because their pension is based on their income which tends to be higher. The Police and Fire Departments worked out a deal in the 80s to create a fund that helped pay for retiree’s health insurance. Two percent of the salaries of all Police and Firemen go into the fund to help pay for retiree health insurance. The rapidly rising cost of health insurance will out pace those funds. I had negotiated a similar deal but before it could go into effect a Republican took office and canceled the contract. As President I sued the city, but it is not possible to beat the city in local courts the decision was supposed to be appealed to WV Supreme Court, but the state council lacked the funds.

When I started to work for the city a good low deductible health insurance policy ($100) that paid a 100% cost $60 a month or $720 a year a far inferior policy is now costs over $21,000 meaning it has went up nearly 30 times. If it continues at that same rate health insurance will cost over $630,000 in another 40 years. If you passed any math classes that should scare the hell out of you. The only plan the Republicans have to offer is a $630,000 or more health insurance policy.

Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 10:34 am
@Zardoz,
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You don’t live in the real world, do you? You don’t even have a clue.

I live it every day.

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Here is a simple math problem when you retire the average pension is $15,000

Yeah? Do you have any #'s on that, or more BS facts from the 1980's?

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but the insurance but a greed-based health insurance

Don't most retired people use govt funded health insurance? Medicare, Blue Cross/Blue Shield... Your argument is already falling a part.

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which has a very high deductible and only pays 80% costs $21,000 a year. Do the math and explain how you pay for a $21,000 health insurance policy with your $15,000 pension. Better yet explain how you keep from being homeless.

Why are you presenting a fabricated situation with no real basis in reality?

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Very few of the retirees in AFSCME could afford health insurance until Obamacare came along.

Oh you mean the federal unions? Screw them, the union should be providing some sort of benefit, after all how many of millions do these unions collect in membership dues and payoffs from the Socialist Workers Party, after all, they fund most of the "protests" against business and hard working Americans. Also if they are retired, they should be using Medicare.

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Obamacare premiums were based on income.

Those premiums were not based on reality or even any real sense of an insurance market. The ACA is a failure, the young kids they needed to sign up ad foot the bill for the Exchanges were not signing up. It was stealing from the young to pay for the poor and old. It was a scam that is now failing and has been failing since it was enacted.

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Administrative employees are slightly better off because their pension is based on their income which tends to be higher.

They are more than likely over paid hacks who couldn't make it in the private sector, so they sought protection in the public sector.

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The Police and Fire Departments worked out a deal in the 80s to create a fund that helped pay for retiree’s health insurance. Two percent of the salaries of all Police and Firemen go into the fund to help pay for retiree health insurance.

Sounds like a good plan to have those who will use it, pay for it. To bad the cops and fire fighters aren't paid more then BS Administrative employees. First Responders actually deserve to be paid better then bureaucratic pimps whose only concern is what they can scam from the public.

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The rapidly rising cost of health insurance will out pace those funds.

That can mostly be blamed on govt regulation and has gotten worse since the ACA was enacted.

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I had negotiated a similar deal but before it could go into effect a Republican took office and canceled the contract. As President I sued the city, but it is not possible to beat the city in local courts the decision was supposed to be appealed to WV Supreme Court, but the state council lacked the funds.

If they already had a deal, why would you need to redo anything? Were you trying to get the taxpayers to do the same thing for your admin folks? Sounds like a scam on your part and I'm happy you lost.

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When I started to work for the city a good low deductible health insurance policy ($100) that paid a 100% cost $60 a month or $720 a year a far inferior policy is now costs over $21,000 meaning it has went up nearly 30 times. If it continues at that same rate health insurance will cost over $630,000 in another 40 years. If you passed any math classes that should scare the hell out of you. The only plan the Republicans have to offer is a $630,000 or more health insurance policy.

You aren't using math, you are using socialist propaganda that enforces more control by the govt and less control by the Citizens.

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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 09:05 pm
@Baldimo,
As a union president I lived and breathed health insurance for years. Health insurance has increased nearly 30 times in the last 40 years and if you count the high deductibles and only paying 80% the actual increase of an actual health insurance policy that paid the claim it would be more like 40 times. The city of Huntington was self-insured meaning the $21,000 a year cost was the actual cost of medical care plus a 10% cost for Blue Cross to process the claims. There is a rule in retail that you can’t sell something cheaper then it cost you if you want to stay in business. The two groups that cost the most to insure are those under 6 months, think premature babies cost up to a million, and those over 60. So, what telling me is that insurance companies who are willing to sell health insurance to seniors far under what it costs for their healthcare. You have no concept of reality. In the real-world health insurance cost double and triple after you reach 55. Under the proposed Republican greed-based solution plan the cost for seniors would be up to 6 times higher. Imagine having to come up with over a $120,000 a year on a fixed income. The market cost has to reflect actual cost of services.

I never had a physical between running track in junior high and turning 63. The insurance company would make a huge profit on healthy people and as every good business wants to make a profit. After the first 6 months of life most people are reasonably healthy until they turn 55. Health insurance is provided by the employer and is designed to weed unhealthy people out of the system. If you become sick and can’t work, you lose your job and your health insurance. By the time you get old enough to start having major health problems you are being weeded out of the system by retirement. The greed-based health system is designed to insure healthy people and let those with health problems go begging for care. The idea of health insurance was to take care of the sick not make billions on the healthy.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2018 10:44 am
@Zardoz,
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As a union president I lived and breathed health insurance for years.

Your only intention was to get as much "free" health care as possible and stick the taxpayers with the bill.

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Health insurance has increased nearly 30 times in the last 40 years and if you count the high deductibles and only paying 80% the actual increase of an actual health insurance policy that paid the claim it would be more like 40 times.

How much has govt regulation increased in the health field and the health insurance markets in that same time? The only reason costs go up and don't come down is usually some form of govt regulation.

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The city of Huntington was self-insured meaning the $21,000 a year cost was the actual cost of medical care plus a 10% cost for Blue Cross to process the claims.

As a union guy, you wanted all of those costs paid for by the taxpayer. We already see how unions react when they are told they should actually pay a portion of their health insurance costs, like the majority of the US population.

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There is a rule in retail that you can’t sell something cheaper then it cost you if you want to stay in business.

What do those costs include? I know you will point to massive CEO pay, but that is only the tip of the iceberg. It costs money to run a business but you wouldn't know that, it sounds like you have spent your life sucking off of the taxpayer tit.

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The two groups that cost the most to insure are those under 6 months, think premature babies cost up to a million, and those over 60.

The cost in the first 6 months of a child are usually related to the numerous doctor vitsits and the massive amounts of shots they receive. The costs of caring for a premature baby are high but they are a minority in terms of health care costs for children.
Old people are a different matter, the body starts to fail with age, so of course medical costs will increase. The majority of retired people do not have private insurance unless they are paying some form of supplemental insurance to cover holes in Medicare.

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So, what telling me is that insurance companies who are willing to sell health insurance to seniors far under what it costs for their healthcare.

As I noted, a majority of retired people have Medicare with Blue Cross/Blue Shield...

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You have no concept of reality.

You can keep saying that, but you were a city employee who lived off the taxpayers and then screwed them every chance he got by using his union against the very people he wasn't to "serve". You are the one who hasn't lived in the real world.

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In the real-world health insurance cost double and triple after you reach 55.

The cost of medical care also goes up. Do you propose that those who actually use the insurance shouldn't have to pay for it's usage? Those who aren't using the insurance must foot the bill for others?

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Under the proposed Republican greed-based solution plan the cost for seniors would be up to 6 times higher. Imagine having to come up with over a $120,000 a year on a fixed income. The market cost has to reflect actual cost of services.

Unless you can actually provide some proof of this, I'm going to say this is nothing but a bias against the free market. You have already proven your lack of understanding of how an ecomony works, I can't blame you. When you work for a place that doesn't have to work by a budget and can just take it from the taxpayers, you loose grasp of what the rest of us really do.

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I never had a physical between running track in junior high and turning 63.

I've had a physically every year since I was in the military and I continued them afterwards with my private Dr. I can tell you the cost of my physical has increased since the ACA. What used to cost about $30 for a blood draw, has increased to over $100 and it was the same year the ACA went active and the stupid and none fact based "insurance pools" went into effect.

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The insurance company would make a huge profit on healthy people and as every good business wants to make a profit.

They used to charge health people less, it was the govt who thought it was a good idea to overcharge the young to pay for the poor. It backfired as the young people didn't get insurance in the massive numbers that the Obama admin predicted. The fact the media let them spin this, wasn't surprising.

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Health insurance is provided by the employer and is designed to weed unhealthy people out of the system.

More anti-business propaganda? Insurance was offered by employers to attract the best people to the business. It had nothing to do with "weeding" people out. This is why I accuse you of being a communist, you keep bringing up total anti-business propaganda, with no basis in what really happens in the business world. Govt in general is far more corrupt than the average board meeting. At least a business actually offers a serivce or product people want. Govt wastes money giving people what they think they want because they think the average person doesn't know what's good for them.

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If you become sick and can’t work, you lose your job and your health insurance.

I guess you have never heard of FMLA, short term and long term disability protections?

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By the time you get old enough to start having major health problems you are being weeded out of the system by retirement.

You mean people get old and decide they no longer want to work, so they retire? Were you forced out of your job?

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The greed-based health system is designed to insure healthy people and let those with health problems go begging for care. The idea of health insurance was to take care of the sick not make billions on the healthy.

You can't even have an honest debate on this subject without once again going into anti-capitalist propaganda. You have a problem with any system that is concerned with profit, in fact the only people you think should be making money, isn't a person at all, it's the govt. You have already said numerous times you think the govt should be the ultimate power, nothing else above the mighty govt.

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Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jun, 2018 08:29 pm
@Baldimo,
All you needed to do to know exactly what a mass murder does is listen to the tapes of the Las Vegas shooting. The shots are being fired into a crowd as rapidly as the bump stocks would allow. He was not aiming each shot. So much for your superior knowledge about guns. Reality is a real bummer when you try to make it up as you go along.

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Sorry every news organization in the country refers to the AR-15 as an assault weapon. You can continue to “imagine” that a weapon that can fire 400 to 600 rounds a minute is not an assault weapon.

Your source is totally ignorant because it says the AR-15 was based on the M-16 when in fact AR-15 was invented first and it was so superior to any of the military weapons at the time the military used the design for the M-16.

“The M-16 was originally designated a rifle, caliber 5.56 mm, M-16, is a United States military adaptation of ArmaLite AR-15.”


Your reference could not even get the most basic information correct. The AR-15 was so deadly the US military just had to have it. It was not knowledge it just run of the mill ignorance.
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This takes us back to the Las Vegas shooting where the shooter had tracer bullets that he didn’t end using but they would let him see the directions the bullets were going. He was only aiming in the direction of the crowd. With an assault weapon you can watch as the targets fall to determine where the fire is going.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2018 10:43 am
@Zardoz,
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All you needed to do to know exactly what a mass murder does is listen to the tapes of the Las Vegas shooting.

I seen the tapes, I know exactly what he was doing, it's called "spary and pray". It is not an effective means of fire, the amount of ammo you have to expend to actually hit anything is prohibitive. The military only uses such fire to keep the enemies heads down.

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The shots are being fired into a crowd as rapidly as the bump stocks would allow.

Yes, "spray and pray". I've already said we should ban the bump stock, although our reasons are different.

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He was not aiming each shot.

Correct, he was using the "spray and pray" method of firing, it is the method used by shooters because they don't know what they are doing, and that's a good thing. Had he been aiming each shot, or at least firing in a "burst" pattern, he would have killed more than the 58 people he did. We should be very thankful he wasn't taking aimed shots.

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So much for your superior knowledge about guns. Reality is a real bummer when you try to make it up as you go along.

My superior knowledge on guns has been proven. I've looked at the post you failed to quote and I fail to see where you have proven anything. There were thousands of people at this concert, that fact that only 58 died and only 422 or so were hit with gun fire proves my point.

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Zardoz:
When you are shooting into a crowd it is like shooting at the broad side of the barn just fire and you will hit something. Assault weapons were designed to fire enough lead that you can see what you are hitting.

Based on your theory, we should have seen a couple hundred dead and a couple thousand wounded from gun shots. They claim there were 22,000 people at that concert that night, the ineffective use of the bump stock actually saved a lot of lives.

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Sorry every news organization in the country refers to the AR-15 as an assault weapon. You can continue to “imagine” that a weapon that can fire 400 to 600 rounds a minute is not an assault weapon.

That is because they are propagandist hacks just like you. They don't put forth any facts about the AR-15, just the scary language and misues of terms.

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Your source is totally ignorant because it says the AR-15 was based on the M-16 when in fact AR-15 was invented first and it was so superior to any of the military weapons at the time the military used the design for the M-16.

We are talking about guns and you have the nerve to call someone else "ignorant"? The AR-15 wasn't superior to the M1 Garand the military was using before. They were looking for a lighter weapon that allowed the troops to carry more ammo. In fact, the M1 was far superior in it's kill ratio due to the 7.62 round it fired vs the 5.56 round the M-16 fired. The M1 was easier to clean and didn't jam as easily as the M-16.

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The M-16 was originally designated a rifle, caliber 5.56 mm, M-16, is a United States military adaptation of ArmaLite AR-15.”

This is completly true. The AR-15 shoots a smaller round than what was fired from the old M1. 5.56 vs 7.62 The AR in AR-15 does not stand for Assault Rifle, it stands for Armalite 15.

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Your reference could not even get the most basic information correct. The AR-15 was so deadly the US military just had to have it. It was not knowledge it just run of the mill ignorance.

The AR-15 is not that deadly, it was lighter in weight and the bullets were smaller, which allowed for more ammo to be carried by the troops. I don't know where you are getting your facts from, but they are not based in reality.

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This takes us back to the Las Vegas shooting where the shooter had tracer bullets that he didn’t end using but they would let him see the directions the bullets were going. He was only aiming in the direction of the crowd. With an assault weapon you can watch as the targets fall to determine where the fire is going.

This comment makes no sense and at the distances he was shooting, it made no difference, he couldn't tell where the bullets were going, he was "spraying and praying" he hit something. Adding a bump stock to an AR-15 does not make it an assault weapon, it still doesn't have select fire capabilities, plus the Obama admin would not have made it legal if that were the case.

Your continued ignorance about how guns fire and work continues to show. Nothing you have said about the function of guns is correct let along how to properly fire them.

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Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jun, 2018 08:54 pm
@Baldimo,
You agree that Zinovyevna (pen name Ayn Rand) came of age during the Russian Revolution and she was educated in a communist university. She was educated in a communist university how could she not be influenced by her communist education? Elements of Zinovyevna’s political philosophy predate communism and harken back to czarist Russia. The tiny minority harvesting the labor of the vast majority.

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There is article in todays paper where the head of Federal Reserve was asked to explain why wages are not going up in America. He said he cannot explain it. With full employment and huge tax cuts for the super wealthy wages should be increasing rapidly. The law of supply and demand should take over. He called it a puzzle. But it is no puzzle at all it is Zinovyevna’s political philosophy taking root in America.

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You can read the words, but you fail to understand the political philosophy it was pushing. The premise of the book is the wealthy keep disappearing going off to a secret valley. They are going on strike because they are so mistreated. Civilization in America falls apart because this tiny group is responsible for everything and the vast majority are like cattle that don’t have sense enough to come in out of the rain. I not only read the book I book marked and underlined it. How that book could appeal to anyone, but an idiot is beyond me, but the right thinks she is a god.

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You are like somebody on the Titanic worshiping icebergs. You would have to be completely blind not to realize how the middle-class lifestyle has deteriorated since Ayn Rand’s cult members got a hold of political power.

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Sorry friend the communist had already invaded the United States and they became the founders of the modern conservative movement in America. Like that drunk, Joseph McCarthy you see communists under every bush but make heroes out of the real card-carrying communists. That is how the real communists got to be heroes to the Republican party. Whitaker Chambers testified against Alger Hiss one of his sources and became a national Republican hero to this day. All rights have to have limits when one tiny group has all the economic power they will use to destroy the majority’s economic position. You have to have a balance of power in government and the market place.

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The communist believed that there were certain stages a country had to go through to become a communist country. They knew what make communism acceptable to the Russian people was that a tiny group of rich had most of the wealth of Russia and the large masses were peasants. First teach the masses to hate the government and the conservatives hate the government of America. Then all you need do is sit back and watch the greedy destroy America with their greed. Greed is a sickness not a trait to be admired.


I have worked with a contract and without a contract. A contract is simply a bill of rights that spells out the rights of workers and I know how you hate rights of any kind. The unions made America great and without them America goes into a tailspin that it will not recover from.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jun, 2018 09:19 pm
@Baldimo,
The Ruger Mini 14 is known as “the poor man’s assault rifle and has been used in a number mass murders including the attack on a Connecticut beer distributor that killed 8 and wounded two in 2016; the 1999 shooting at Wedgewood church in Texas leaving 7 dead and seven wounded; Oregon’s Thurston high school in 1998 leaving four dead and twenty-two wounded; the 1993 Long Island railroad shooting leaving 6 dead and 22 wounded; the 1991 Luby’s massacre leaving 23 victims dead and 22 wounded; a 1987 shootout at a Florida shopping center, leaving 6 dead, including two police officers. Plus, Anders Behring Breivik killing of 77 people in Norway in 2011.

This isn’t a rifle this is a full-on assault weapon used in mass murder after mass murder. The design was taken from a military assault weapon the mini 14 GB it comes with a pistol grip and folding stock. You are right this must be banned also. You think you can hide this crap in plain site. The mass murders speak for themselves.

If the automatic has the capability of firing 600 rounds a minute the semi-automatic has the same limit it is just a matter of pulling the trigger that many times.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jun, 2018 09:26 pm
@Baldimo,
It is not the barrel that melts it is the gas tube used to chamber the rounds.
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Ruger mini !4 is just a cheaper assault weapon. It has the same design purpose mass murder.

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The problem is Ruger makes several different versions some are regular rifles but the Mini-14 is a full-on mass murder weapon.

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When the gun kills 77 people that is hardly a cosmetic reason. In just one incident it killed 77 people. Jobs require tools and mass murder is made easy with assault weapons.

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The AR-15 is not a rifle in the classic sense of the word. Assault weapons are designed for one purpose mass murder whether on the battlefield or the high school.
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All most all cars go over a 100 mph. My first car a `1953 Plymouth had no trouble going over a hundred. A few years ago, there were states out west without a speed limit. Now Texas has 85 mph limits on some roads. Roads will improve, and speed limits will go up. Very few people drive the posted limit and very few tickets are written for less than 10 mph over the posted limit. You need not ban the car you could just adjust the governor.

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Mass murder is the design objective of assault weapons. They should have a rating of 50 kills in a minute or a 100 kills per minute.

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If semi-automatic rifles had the same rate of fire ArmaLite would not have been able to get a patent for the AR-15 if it had not been a significant improvement. If they are the same, why object to banning assault weapons?

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Each police force is different and is run by a chief that decides how mass murders will be handled. The Columbine police chief may have decided to change how mass murders will be handled in Columbine in the future, but he is not over the other police departments in America. Some other Police Department may decide to adopt the Combine method, but others will not. I know exactly how real shootings are handled in Huntington.

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Nobody is going to respond in the first 2 minutes the imaginary heroes will find there is a big difference between what they imagine they will do and when it comes to stepping out into a mass murder’s line of fire.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 11:10 am
@Zardoz,
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The Ruger Mini 14 is known as “the poor man’s assault rifle and has been used in a number mass murders

I have never heard this moniker used with the Ranch Rifle. You must have gotten it from some anti-gun site.

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including the attack on a Connecticut beer distributor that killed 8 and wounded two in 2016; the 1999 shooting at Wedgewood church in Texas leaving 7 dead and seven wounded; Oregon’s Thurston high school in 1998 leaving four dead and twenty-two wounded; the 1993 Long Island railroad shooting leaving 6 dead and 22 wounded; the 1991 Luby’s massacre leaving 23 victims dead and 22 wounded; a 1987 shootout at a Florida shopping center, leaving 6 dead, including two police officers. Plus, Anders Behring Breivik killing of 77 people in Norway in 2011.

Did you bother to look at the weapons used in these shootings? No you didn't, you did some generic search for Ruger rifle and mass shootings. A majority of these shootings you chose to use as "evidence" against the Ranch Rifle were actually committed with Ruger handguns, I've got links, see how that works, which actually mention the type of gun used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Distributors_shooting
Two Ruger SR9 semi-automatic pistols

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Gene_Ashbrook
Ruger P85 (9mm)
AMT Backup (.380 ACP)
Pipe bomb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurston_High_School_shooting
9x19mm Glock 19 pistol
.22LR Ruger 10/22 rifle
.22LR Ruger MK II pistol
Two hunting knives


Ruger P89 9mm pistol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_shooting
Glock 17
Ruger P89

http://amok.wikia.com/wiki/William_Bryan_Cruse
Ruger Mini-14
20-gauge shotgun
.38-caliber revolver
Our first actual Ruger Ranch Rifle


ANFO van bomb
Ruger Mini-14 carbine
Glock 34 pistol
This shooting didn't even happen in the US, it doesn't count for US mass shootings.

So out of 6 mass shootings you found, only 1 of them happened in the US with a Ruger Ranch Rifle. You haven't proven anything when you have to use lies and false facts to push your propaganda.

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This isn’t a rifle this is a full-on assault weapon used in mass murder after mass murder.

Sorry liar, you found 1 US mass shooting where the Ruger Ranch Rifle was used.

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The design was taken from a military assault weapon the mini 14 GB it comes with a pistol grip and folding stock.

The design for the semi-auto action was taken from the M1-Garand. Just like any other semi-auto rifle, you can put them in a stock that has those features, but they do nothing to make the gun more deadly. My Ruger Ranch Rifle does't have any of those features, it's a wooden stock with no pistol grip.

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You are right this must be banned also. You think you can hide this crap in plain site. The mass murders speak for themselves.

I'm not hiding anything, you have lied about the guns used in a majority of those stories and had to even look for stories outside of the US to try and prove your point.

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If the automatic has the capability of firing 600 rounds a minute the semi-automatic has the same limit it is just a matter of pulling the trigger that many times.

Now your stupidity is showing through. You can't squeeze the trigger on a semi-auto gun that fast. It's physically impossible for the human body to do such a thing. Do you actually think they would have any sort of control over the weapon if they are firing it like that? Nope, hence the reason so few people died in the Las Vegas shooting.


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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 12:08 pm
@Zardoz,
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You agree that Zinovyevna (pen name Ayn Rand) came of age during the Russian Revolution and she was educated in a communist university.

This is all true, but I fail to see how it relates to her writings were very clearly anti-communist. She fought against "collective thinking", that is the central tenant of communism, no more individualism, it's all about the collective.

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She was educated in a communist university how could she not be influenced by her communist education?

The very same way people who are educated here in the US on the Capititalist system revolt against it. Individual thoughts can lead to breaking the mold of govt education.

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Elements of Zinovyevna’s political philosophy predate communism and harken back to czarist Russia. The tiny minority harvesting the labor of the vast majority.

Yes, which is also the complete opposite of Communism. You forget, the Communists removed the Czars from power. Communism then went on to kill millions and millions of their own people and send them off to "re-education" camps, so they could learn to be good little collectivists.

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There is article in todays paper where the head of Federal Reserve was asked to explain why wages are not going up in America.

There are actually a few idea's listed in the article as to what the issue might be. To think it is simply all about greed, is short sighted and shows a lack of how real business's work.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-weak-wage-growth-powell-fed-20180614-story.html

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The law of supply and demand should take over. He called it a puzzle. But it is no puzzle at all it is Zinovyevna’s political philosophy taking root in America.

These things don't happen overnight, and in fact will vary from place to place. The worse companies need people the more pay will go up. You seem to think it will happen across the board, it won't. Some sectors will see gains, others will see losses.

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You can read the words, but you fail to understand the political philosophy it was pushing.

I understood it perfectly, Communism is bad, capitalism is good.

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The premise of the book is the wealthy keep disappearing going off to a secret valley. They are going on strike because they are so mistreated.

No, the govt is taking their business, and creating regulations which did nothing but increase the power of govt, just like what happened in Venezuela and just about every where else Communism has spread.

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Civilization in America falls apart because this tiny group is responsible for everything and the vast majority are like cattle that don’t have sense enough to come in out of the rain.

No, govt started trying to control to much of the private market, "for the good of the general population".
The govt in Atlas Shrugged was moving towards total and utter govt control of all business's. I can see why you would be for such things, you favor govt control and a submissive population. Would you actually support any of those laws that were in Atlas Shrugged?


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I not only read the book I book marked and underlined it. How that book could appeal to anyone, but an idiot is beyond me, but the right thinks she is a god.

Yeah, who would want to live in a world where you can start a business and be in control of your own creation.

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You are like somebody on the Titanic worshiping icebergs. You would have to be completely blind not to realize how the middle-class lifestyle has deteriorated since Ayn Rand’s cult members got a hold of political power.

I'm in the middle class, and my lifestyle is just fine. Just over 20 years ago, I was working as a fast food grunt, then Walmart and then into the construction field, and then got a cheap education in computers and I have been in the IT field ever since. Just so you know, I made $5.25 an hr in the fast food industry, and I now make over $80k a year. No formal education, just hard work and learning everything I can while in a job. The middle class is actually doing just fine.

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Sorry friend the communist had already invaded the United States and they became the founders of the modern conservative movement in America.

This is so stupid. These communists helped start a political philosphy that goes against the very foundations of communism? Do you really think "collectivism" is what the US was founded on, or was it individual liberty and freedom?

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A contract is simply a bill of rights that spells out the rights of workers and I know how you hate rights of any kind.

Why do you lie? I'm not sure which "rights" you think I'm against.


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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 12:20 pm
@Zardoz,
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It is not the barrel that melts it is the gas tube used to chamber the rounds.

You should actually watch some video's of people shooting their guns till they overheat...

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Ruger mini !4 is just a cheaper assault weapon. It has the same design purpose mass murder.

It's not an assault weapon, it is a semi-auto rifle.

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The problem is Ruger makes several different versions some are regular rifles but the Mini-14 is a full-on mass murder weapon.

Do you honestly think a pistol grip makes a gun more deadly and can make it fire more bullets?

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When the gun kills 77 people that is hardly a cosmetic reason. In just one incident it killed 77 people. Jobs require tools and mass murder is made easy with assault weapons.

He killed 77 people on an island where there were no guns to react to the shooter. As it has been pointed out, mass shootings take place in places where the shooter knows that no one has a gun to stop them, it's why they choose those places.

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The AR-15 is not a rifle in the classic sense of the word. Assault weapons are designed for one purpose mass murder whether on the battlefield or the high school.

You don't know what you are talking about. Your emotional meanings have no basis in the real world.

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All most all cars go over a 100 mph. My first car a `1953 Plymouth had no trouble going over a hundred. A few years ago, there were states out west without a speed limit. Now Texas has 85 mph limits on some roads. Roads will improve, and speed limits will go up. Very few people drive the posted limit and very few tickets are written for less than 10 mph over the posted limit. You need not ban the car you could just adjust the governor.

We need to ban excess speed. No speed limits should be over 55 mph, to prevent people from speeding no car can be produced that excedes this maximum speed limit. Only the police and govt agencies can have cars that go 100 mph.

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Mass murder is the design objective of assault weapons. They should have a rating of 50 kills in a minute or a 100 kills per minute.

No, that isn't the point.

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If semi-automatic rifles had the same rate of fire ArmaLite would not have been able to get a patent for the AR-15 if it had not been a significant improvement. If they are the same, why object to banning assault weapons?

What kind of BS are you talking about? The amount of bullets a gun can shoot has nothing to do with it's patent. You really are dumb about this subject aren't you.

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Each police force is different and is run by a chief that decides how mass murders will be handled. The Columbine police chief may have decided to change how mass murders will be handled in Columbine in the future, but he is not over the other police departments in America. Some other Police Department may decide to adopt the Combine method, but others will not. I know exactly how real shootings are handled in Huntington.

You don't know ****. There is indeed a standard practice that is generally followed by a majority of police dept's. The standard response to an active shooter in a vast majority of police depts is to confront the shooter and not to let them continue with their plan. Stop giving a pass to the chicken **** cop who stood outside while the Parkland shooter killed kids. There is a reason he was fired!

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Nobody is going to respond in the first 2 minutes the imaginary heroes will find there is a big difference between what they imagine they will do and when it comes to stepping out into a mass murder’s line of fire.

Cowards always question the bravery of others.



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Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jun, 2018 09:16 pm
@Baldimo,
I am not pointing the finger at the wrong people in fact I am not pointing a finger at people at all. I am pointing a finger at the weapons of war designed with one purpose in mind mass murder whether on the battlefield or the High School. You are just one head injury or burst blood vessel away from being a mass murderer. Maybe your girlfriend ran off with another man or you got fired that assault weapon is right there to even the score.

And thousands like you have and thousands more like will commit mass murder in the future.
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Semi-automatic or not the basic gun is designed to fire 740 to 900 rounds a minute according to one site. The only limiting factor how many times you can pull the trigger and with practice pulling the trigger a few hundred times a minute would be possible.
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Gun free zones protect children. People are killed with guns. Introducing guns into schools has already resulted into accidental shootings. Wherever there are guns there will be accidental shootings. Even police officers are stripped of their guns and killed with there own guns. One of our police officers was checking on a suspicious person call had his gun taken away. The suspicious person killed him with his own gun. Imagine what will happen when a teen strips a teacher of her gun and shoots the class room up. It is only a matter of time before that happen. The mass murderer won’t even have to go to the corner gun store. A policeman who works at one of the local school put it best if teachers start carrying guns he will run from the building screaming.

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Anybody that drives down a residential street at 90 mph in the evening to take gas to another cop, so he would not be embarrassed by asking for gas over the radio is an idiot. A child could have stepped off the curb. A few weeks after that ride the idiot ran up under a parked semi on his way home from work and suffered a severe brain injury. That did it for him being a cop. The only good thing was he didn’t hurt anyone else. When the local cops weren’t drag racing the state police they played tag. They would run their car into another police car and that guy was ‘it” and they would chase each other all over the city. After killing a few bystanders Allstate canceled the city’s insurance.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 11:06 am
@Zardoz,
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I am not pointing the finger at the wrong people in fact I am not pointing a finger at people at all.

See that's the problem. Do you think Ted Bundy was motivated by a rope and his VW Bug, or was he an evil person who killed women?

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I am pointing a finger at the weapons of war designed with one purpose in mind mass murder whether on the battlefield or the High School.

You are blaming an intimate object for the actions of people, that is a mental disorder, "the gun made them do it, they were normal people until they saw that stupid AR-15..."

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You are just one head injury or burst blood vessel away from being a mass murderer.

It shows your weakness when you have to declare someone you don't agree with will be a mass shooter.

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Maybe your girlfriend ran off with another man or you got fired that assault weapon is right there to even the score.

Have you now lowered yourself to such things, casting aspersions against me to try and prove other people are violent?

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And thousands like you have and thousands more like will commit mass murder in the future.

Thousands?

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Semi-automatic or not the basic gun is designed to fire 740 to 900 rounds a minute according to one site. The only limiting factor how many times you can pull the trigger and with practice pulling the trigger a few hundred times a minute would be possible.

No it isn't. Stop making things up to fit your fiction of gun use. You also keep increasing the round per minute in each post. That is another weakness in your posts, you NEVER post anything factual and you have to lie about guns to push an emotional argument.

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Gun free zones protect children.

I would say the # of kids killed in real school shootings, not drug gang BS, would disagree with you. The gun free zones are target zones for people with mental issues who want to do harm.

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People are killed with guns.

Yes, people kill people, it doesn't matter the tool.

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Introducing guns into schools has already resulted into accidental shootings.

How many schools allow guns in schools?

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Wherever there are guns there will be accidental shootings.

Guns don't go off on their own, it's why the people who will be approved for carrying guns in schools will need to be properly trained. The NRA will be more than happy to provide that training and in some cases, have already done so for free.

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Even police officers are stripped of their guns and killed with there own guns.

You wonder why police shoot so many people. My father and a few family members are LEO, I heard the stories and seen plenty of footage of LEO getting over powered by a perp.

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Imagine what will happen when a teen strips a teacher of her gun and shoots the class room up.

So you have a low opinion of teachers and students? It seems the only people you have any respect for are union thugs and politicians who favored your union.

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The mass murderer won’t even have to go to the corner gun store.

Seeing as how there are age limits on the purchase of a gun, no kids are buying guns from the "corner gun store". You make it sound like 7-11.

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A policeman who works at one of the local school put it best if teachers start carrying guns he will run from the building screaming.

I partially don't blame him, the schools are filled with leftist teachers who preach against actual American Rights. They were supporters of the BLM movement and every left-wing idea to come down the pipe. If he knows of teachers who supported those thugs, I would be bothered by them having a gun as well.

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Anybody that drives down a residential street at 90 mph in the evening to take gas to another cop, so he would not be embarrassed by asking for gas over the radio is an idiot. A child could have stepped off the curb. A few weeks after that ride the idiot ran up under a parked semi on his way home from work and suffered a severe brain injury. That did it for him being a cop. The only good thing was he didn’t hurt anyone else. When the local cops weren’t drag racing the state police they played tag. They would run their car into another police car and that guy was ‘it” and they would chase each other all over the city. After killing a few bystanders Allstate canceled the city’s insurance.

So I was right, you only have respect for your union thugs and the politicians who pay them off. It doesn't seem to me that the average person rates very high in your opinion. You wonder why people like you and your Centralized Govt philosophy scare the hell out of the average American? Oh the wonderful things you would do for those stupid people, they just can't understand how great it would be for them...
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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jun, 2018 09:25 pm
@Baldimo,
You are telling me there is a national chief of police who is over all the Police Department in America? Sorry but each police department decides what policies they will enact they are under no obligation to adopt the procedures of any other police department. One of the murders that took place next door to the Housing Inspector’s home, the Ambulance was on scene long before the police arrived. The reason that it took the police so long to arrive is they meet at a location three blocks away because they were not to be the only policeman on scene. This took place long after Columbine happened. So much for your theory. Yours is conjecture my example is actual fact.

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Seventy-seven people dead is not cosmetic. Assault weapons are designed for one purpose to commit mass murder. Each assault weapon to be banned earned spot on the list by used to murder hundreds. Murder is not cosmetic.

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Several of the mass murders made very detailed plans and studied which type of assault weapons would allow them to kill the maximum number of people and that is the type of gun they purchased. Mass murders have their own site on the internet where past mass murders are studied, and they learn from the mistakes of other mass murderers.
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It is a weapon of war the US Army buys them because they kill the maximum number of people. If you want to win a war you need the most deadly weapons in the world. It does not matter whether it is semi-automatic the basic gun is capable of firing 900 rounds a minute and the trigger can be pulled hundred times a minute.
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Do you think teachers are not human? Do you think a teacher that is having an affair with another teacher will even hesitate when things go bad to kill her because the gun is there? Where ever there are guns people die. Ten innocent people will die for any shooting that is prevented by a teacher. What already have is none protected but at least two recent accidental shooting so far, the imaginary heroes have not killed any students. Why do you think the Police officer said, ”If they let teachers carry guns he will run screaming from the buildings. Schools are little Peyton places adding guns to the mix is like adding nitro.
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Hire vets for schools? That worked out great another institution tried that. This gave us mass murder after mass murder it even changed the language. Going postal became the term for mass murder. The Post Office gave vets a number of extra points on the civil service exam, so vets would have an advantage in being hired. The mass murders in the post offices across America inspired the mass murderers of today. The vet’s solution to their problem was to kill them and anyone around them. That is how they were taught to solve a problem.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 11:26 am
@Zardoz,
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You are telling me there is a national chief of police who is over all the Police Department in America?

Why would you say such a silly thing, I never implied as much.

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Sorry but each police department decides what policies they will enact they are under no obligation to adopt the procedures of any other police department.

That maybe the case, but there are associations of all types for police leadership groups and they share idea's and tactics. The vast majority of police depts have adopted a confront the shooter policy when it comes to active shooters. Stop making excuses for sheriffs who go against their own policies. This all stems from the actions of the chicken **** sheriff and his chicken **** school resource officer who didn't follow their own procedures.
Just to prove my point, because you don't...
http://fox40.com/2018/03/09/florida-school-shooting-response-caught-on-radio-traffic/
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If Peterson knew the location of the shooter, Broward County Sheriff’s Office mass shooting guidelines required him to enter the building and kill or stop the gunman. Such protocols are near-universal among U.S. law enforcement agencies.

He knew because he reported over the radio that the shots were coming from inside the building...

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One of the murders that took place next door to the Housing Inspector’s home, the Ambulance was on scene long before the police arrived. The reason that it took the police so long to arrive is they meet at a location three blocks away because they were not to be the only policeman on scene. This took place long after Columbine happened. So much for your theory. Yours is conjecture my example is actual fact.

You provide personal antidotes as fact? Was this an active shooter in a school or large area, or a personal residence?

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Seventy-seven people dead is not cosmetic. Assault weapons are designed for one purpose to commit mass murder.

Do you purposefully pick and choose bits from different posts on purpose to confuse people? I went to the post you are suppose to be replying to, and I see noting about 77 dead people. So unless you are going to actually quote what I said, these discussions will be coming to a stop. It's easy to make up things people have said when you don't actually quote what they said. Notice how every response I give is to an actual thing you have written?

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Each assault weapon to be banned earned spot on the list by used to murder hundreds. Murder is not cosmetic.

Stop with the bloated numbers, you can't even provide facts for the actual rifle. You tried to pass off a bunch of mass killings done with handguns as done with a rifle because it had the name Ruger! Dishonesty is your best policy.

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Several of the mass murders made very detailed plans and studied which type of assault weapons would allow them to kill the maximum number of people and that is the type of gun they purchased.

Bullshit, you have no facts to back up anything you just said. Links with facts or you are full of ****!

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Mass murders have their own site on the internet where past mass murders are studied, and they learn from the mistakes of other mass murderers.

You really are a wack-a-doodle. I think you are really an unhinged personality.

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It is a weapon of war the US Army buys them because they kill the maximum number of people.

The Army does not buy civilian guns. The military versions have a select fire switch, civilian guns do not. You continue to prove you have no reason or facts on your side, only emotion and lies.

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If you want to win a war you need the most deadly weapons in the world. It does not matter whether it is semi-automatic the basic gun is capable of firing 900 rounds a minute and the trigger can be pulled hundred times a minute.

No, if you want to win a war, there is more than just the guns. If that were the case, the Founding Fathers would never have beaten the British.

No, the trigger can not be pulled "hundreds of times a minute", it doesn't work that way.

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Do you think teachers are not human?

I think you have a low opinion of anyone who isn't you or falls into your realm of "reality". Everyone but you is dangerous and can't control themselves around guns...

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Do you think a teacher that is having an affair with another teacher will even hesitate when things go bad to kill her because the gun is there?

What type of question is this?

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Where ever there are guns people die.

When guns are not around for protection, people die, like in "gun free zones". 500,000 to 2.5 million uses of guns for self-sefense, and a majority of those do result in the bad guy being shot. I have a story of my own.

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Ten innocent people will die for any shooting that is prevented by a teacher.

This comment makes zero sense, I don't even know what you are trying to express.

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What already have is none protected but at least two recent accidental shooting so far, the imaginary heroes have not killed any students.

You would be surprised by the # of schools that already have teachers that were armed, this was prior the Parkland shooting.

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Why do you think the Police officer said, ”If they let teachers carry guns he will run screaming from the buildings. Schools are little Peyton places adding guns to the mix is like adding nitro.

He might not have a high opinion of teachers, he doesn't reflect the majority of LEO. The majority of LEO actually support the 2nd Amendment and support armed citizens. Your description of schools falls into the realm of fantasy and drama TV.

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Hire vets for schools?

Why not? You don't have something against vets do you?

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That worked out great another institution tried that.

Here comes more bias against those you don't like.

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This gave us mass murder after mass murder it even changed the language.

There were a lot of shootings by Postal employees, but I don't think they were vets.

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Going postal became the term for mass murder. The Post Office gave vets a number of extra points on the civil service exam, so vets would have an advantage in being hired.

Do you have any proof that those mass shootings were committed by military vets or just disgruntled workers? That is one hell of a way to slander vets.

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The mass murders in the post offices across America inspired the mass murderers of today. The vet’s solution to their problem was to kill them and anyone around them.

I don't think you even have the faitist idea of what is really going on in any of the situations. You clearly have a bias against vets.

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That is how they were taught to solve a problem.

You don' understand the first thing about military training, let alone what actually takes place in the military. How many Vietnam vets did you spit on when they came home? You know you did it, at least be honest.

You seem to have an axe to grind against a whole lot of people. Why are you such a hateful little man?

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Zardoz
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2018 08:44 pm
@Baldimo,
Your wrong many soldiers went off to war without automatic weapons for years they fought wars with ordinary rifles. The AR-15 was not even invented to 1960 and the M-16 military copy was invented after that.
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I somehow doubt that every single news story has found its way to the Internet. You need to read other sources like newspapers and an occasional book. In this case the Police in Charleston had been chasing a suspect when they cornered him some of the police were opposite each other when they began to fire at the suspect. One of the policemen was killed but the suspect lived. That formation is known as a circular firing squad and if it happens to trained professional police officers you bet school teachers will be outstanding at this formation, but it won’t only be school teachers that die. Police officers undergo months of training school teachers will be shown this is a gun and the bullets come out this end.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2018 12:17 pm
@Zardoz,
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Your wrong many soldiers went off to war without automatic weapons for years they fought wars with ordinary rifles.

Which years are you talking about and what is an "ordinary rifle"? WWII was fought with mostly semi-auto, which were not a new inventions, and full auto weapons, which were also not new inventions. They might not have been common to the regular infantrymen, but they were common to NCO's.

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The AR-15 was not even invented to 1960 and the M-16 military copy was invented after that.

The AR-15 was not the first automatic weapon either, the M-16 was invented as a new take on an already existing invention. Nothing special except for it's weight and the fact that it used smaller bullets than the previous gun the military was using. The M-16 replaced the M1-Garand as the common infantry rifle after the start of the Vietnam war. My father was a Vietnam Vet and he started his term with the M1 and ended it with the M-16.

So what you are saying is that the civilian model of the AR was built and sold first and then the military picked up their military version of a civilian rifle?

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I somehow doubt that every single news story has found its way to the Internet.

Maybe not the news stories from 100 years ago, but most everything from the 1970's until present has more than likely found it's way into digial form. LexisNexis is a perfect example of a digital site that has archieved a lot of old newspapers.

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You need to read other sources like newspapers and an occasional book.

I read plenty of newspapers, online. If you are worried about me not reading some small town news paper to get a take on national events, a lot of those papers run feeds from the AP and Reuters.

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In this case the Police in Charleston had been chasing a suspect when they cornered him some of the police were opposite each other when they began to fire at the suspect. One of the policemen was killed but the suspect lived.

It's once again nice to see you posting about things that happened decades ago, your information is so current...

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That formation is known as a circular firing squad and if it happens to trained professional police officers

Do you have any facts to back up this silly story? There is no doubt that there are in fact friendly fire incidents, but to think this is a nation wide or common thing, is just stupid. It shows the faith you have in the LEO.

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you bet school teachers will be outstanding at this formation, but it won’t only be school teachers that die. Police officers undergo months of training school teachers will be shown this is a gun and the bullets come out this end.

When it comes to guns, you sure like to paint people as stupid. Maybe you should actually read up on the training requirements and standards, and stop using the rarest of occurrences to limit the rights of people to defend themselves. You actually have no solid arguments for gun control, it's all about demeaning language against those who like guns and making guns sound scary with scary language.

With logic like this, it's no wonder our country is as screwed as it is.


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Zardoz
 
  2  
Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2018 09:15 pm
@Baldimo,
This is late because the Internet was down last night when it rains hard we lose the internet for 12 hrs. or better.
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I do tend to procrastinate my last attempt to include your comment ended wiping out about two hours work after it was “saved” and I spent hours going through the computer trying to find it. You are complaining about a government that has been corrupted by the gun manufacturers.
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The number of lawyers doubled between the 70s and the 80s and most went to work for big corporations or banks. They helped get supreme court decisions like the one that declared that political contributions are free speech and cannot be controlled. Corporations claim all the rights of an individual until they get caught breaking the law then they want treated as a corporation where the officers cannot be prosecuted. Government is the referee no game can be conducted without one. Your pipe dream that corporations are moral is just that a pipe dream. Think massive tobacco companies marketing cigarettes to children in foreign countries even though that it is an established fact that they will die in agony.

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To be a mass murder the shooter had to kill at least four people. The Maryland shooting was not even a mass shooting.
Google:” Maryland School Gunman Confronted by Officer Shot Himself, Authorities Say” This article was dated Mar 26th six days after the shooting. Turns out the school officer was taking credit for a suicide. Typical gun nut taking credit where credit was not due.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Reply Sat 23 Jun, 2018 08:52 am
@Zardoz,
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I do tend to procrastinate my last attempt to include your comment ended wiping out about two hours work after it was “saved” and I spent hours going through the computer trying to find it.

Sound like you need some practice. If you are going to mis-quote me on purpose, this is a good excuse to keep doing it.

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You are complaining about a government that has been corrupted by the gun manufacturers.

Our govt was corrupted long before the gun manufactures started fighting for the 2nd Amendment. We were corrupted when politicians started moving away from individual liberty, the meaning for the Constitution, towards a "collective" movement.

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The number of lawyers doubled between the 70s and the 80s and most went to work for big corporations or banks.

I'm not sure you can prove such a thing. I'd welcome you to try though.

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They helped get supreme court decisions like the one that declared that political contributions are free speech and cannot be controlled.

That is such a nice leap in logic from the 70's and 80's until 2010... in fact I would say you missed almost 40 years of law.

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Corporations claim all the rights of an individual until they get caught breaking the law then they want treated as a corporation where the officers cannot be prosecuted.

Type this out again and try and make it make sense next time.

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Government is the referee no game can be conducted without one.

Govt is suppose to be a non-partial referee and it stopped doing so when the govt decided it wanted to pick the winners of the economy. Obama is a perfect example of someone who didn't understand how a market works and enacted regulations and EO/EA's and other such anti-market rules to pick who he thought should win. You will actually find this taking place when we have left-wing Presidents and politicians who "tell us what is best for us"...
Obama spent an entire 8 years under mining our capitalistic system.

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Your pipe dream that corporations are moral is just that a pipe dream.

See, you are doing it again. I never said they were moral, I just give them much more credit than you do. Being an anti-capitalist I can see that you haven't worked for many private companies, instead you worked for one of the biggest crooks in the world, city govt.

Have you seen the video clip of a pissed off city manager who was upset that some guy was able to prevent the govt from stealing his land? She was really mad that someone had the money to actually stop them, not like the "regular" people who don't have the resources to stop us. Her words not mine.

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Think massive tobacco companies marketing cigarettes to children in foreign countries even though that it is an established fact that they will die in agony.

I actually enjoy smoking cigs and weed as well, should the govt really be telling me what I can and can't put in my body?

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To be a mass murder the shooter had to kill at least four people.

I love how you change the meaning of things to fit your aruement. Mass murder instead of a mass shooter... the examples go on and on.
We have been talking about mass shootings and now you want to narrow the meaning to just mass killer/murderer.
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A mass shooting is an incident involving multiple victims of firearms-related violence.[1] The United States' Congressional Research Service acknowledges that there is not a broadly accepted definition, and defines a "public mass shooting"[2] as one in which four or more people selected indiscriminately, not including the perpetrator, are killed, echoing the FBI definition[3][4] of the term "mass murder". However, according to the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012, signed into law in January 2013, a mass killing is defined as a killing with at least three deaths, excluding the perpetrator.[5][6][7][8] Another unofficial definition of a mass shooting is an event involving the shooting (not necessarily resulting in death) of five or more people (sometimes four)[9] with no cooling-off period.[10] [9][11] Related terms include school shooting and massacre.


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The Maryland shooting was not even a mass shooting.

Maybe now you are seeing the flaw in your ever changing use of words to fit your agrument.
This would be classified as a school shooting, the very thing you have harped about for months now. When it doesn't fit your propaganda, you switch up terms to try and be on the "correct" side of the arument.

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Google:” Maryland School Gunman Confronted by Officer Shot Himself, Authorities Say” This article was dated Mar 26th six days after the shooting. Turns out the school officer was taking credit for a suicide. Typical gun nut taking credit where credit was not due.

You should actually read the article. While he wasn't responsible for the shooters death, his actions did indeed stop the shooter. Like most cowards, these shooters will usually take their own lives when confronted by someone else with a gun. Once someone starts shooting at them and they realize it, they turn coward and commit suicide. Same thing happened to the coward in Texas who shot up the church.






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