The fact remains that there is absolutely no reason to put weapons of war on the streets. We don’t need to know whether they were legal or not because it does not matter to the dead any longer. Your child is just as dead shot with a legal AR-15 or an illegal AR-15. Make them all illegal and put anyone caught with one in prison for 20 years.
I worked in the police department and worked with them for another 40 years. I spent years in city, state and federal courts. I am pretty familiar with both policemen and police procedures. Your dad may have been a policeman, but it is not the same as working with the police department.
Have you ever been on a drug raid? I have been on several.
All mass murders are mass shootings but not all mass shootings are mass murders. Both statistics are relevant to the discussion.
How old are you? You seem to be having memory problems.
That is exactly what the article you posted stated that the mass murder began taking off in the 1960. I didn’t post that you did. Just as the AR-15 is hitting the streets mass murders begin to rapidly increase. I wonder if the two are connected. No doubt about it assault weapons make mass murder easy. Mental issues? Not one mass murderer has ever been found innocent by reason of insanity. So, insanity has no dogs in this fight. The insane have trouble finding lunch let alone planning a complex military style attack.
No doubt about it assault weapons make mass murder easy. Mental issues? Not one mass murderer has ever been found innocent by reason of insanity. So, insanity has no dogs in this fight. The insane have trouble finding lunch let alone planning a complex military style attack.
The number of people murdered in mass murders has increased radically in the last two years and the language has not kept up. New terms will need to be coined.
There is a big difference between four people being killed and fifty-nine people being killed. If only three people are killed it is not a mass murder but there is a far greater difference between four and fifty-nine than between one and four. We could rate mass murders by color, but we would run out of colors.
I have provided several references for the facts in this discussion but obviously you don’t even read to the end the links you posted.
I am no more biased against organized cults than I am against racism they are both a problem.
Are you one of those people that is going to send your money so that televangelist can by a new $64 million jet? That conman will take the last penny from poor people hoping to buy their way into an imaginary heaven.
You are the one that bought up abortion in an effort to justify mass murder as an ordinary event that should just be tolerated.
Again, you are the one who introduced abortion into the argument and you can never talk about abortion without talking about religion. God is omnificent, he created “everything” including all fetuses, those that made it and those that didn’t.
Abortion is a complicated argument because it involves religion which is a subset of philosophy.
The gun debate does not involve religion it is simply a question of how many deaths are we willing to tolerate to have assault weapons on the streets?
The religious are not satisfied to keep religion in church they constantly push their beliefs on others and society as a whole. You need only pass by a Catholic church to see thousands of little white crosses on their lawn. Just like the KKK they love putting white crosses on lawns. Men have control over their bodily functions without the inference of religious cults women do not. Religious cults want to take control of women’s normal bodily functions.
Abortion is already illegal in the third-trimester and many states have tried to make getting abortions as difficult as possible. So, in fact some abortions are already illegal. In the end the majority will determine the fate of abortion in America. They will continue to replace supreme court judges until they make abortion completely illegal. And in the end the same fate will befall the gun debate.
Language especially when it comes to legal matters has to be very precise and the legal definition of words prevails in a court of law.
Language in common use is lose by nature but courts of law require a higher standard.
What went into the constitution was decided by majority rule.
The constitution was written with provisions that allow it to be changed by the majority.
The most basic right of all is the right to control your own body. If you take that freedom you have no freedom. If you can take that right you can take any right.
I had no position on abortion for many years It never concerned me. I never had to pay for one and I was sure I would never need one but since it became a political football that was helping the radical right destroy America I had to take a stand. Rights are limited and so are abortions.
Whenever you talk about rights you can’t leave out abortion rights.
The abortion debate hinges on it is alive and sperm is alive. If something is alive it should be entitled to the same treatment.
The directions for the use of quotes is on the site. I write my posts on word and paste them on the reply site. The reason if the power goes down or the computer restarts you loss 2-3 hour’s worth of work. If the computer restarts the post is automatically saved on Word.
Abortions are not all medical procedures. Abortion is a routine medical procedure with little risk. There are plenty of quacks in the medical field who would perform the most outrageous and dangerous medical procedures. Until the right of control of your own body is resolved it would be impossible to resolve the gun rights debate.
In the end we are a majority rule country.
When the supreme court ruled that abortion was legal the effort to replace the supreme court justices with anti-abortion justices started.
If the truth be known the anti-abortionists were responsible for Trump getting elected.
It is obvious to everyone that Trump is crazier than a sh**house rat but as long as he will stack the supreme court with antiabortionist that all that is important.
Abortion is probably the most important issue in America today not because of abortion but because it is driving our politics in a downward spiral. All that is needed to get elected in America in many cases is say you are against abortion.
You can bet the subject is much broader than abortion because it goes to the heart of whether Americans have rights.
You have to remember this is not a majority trying to impose its will on the minority this is a minority actively using the government to impose its will on the majority.
I have no trouble following the argument by putting the posts side by side.
You have a hard time refuting actual facts it is easier to complain and run.
I did not introduce the tangent of abortion in this discussion but once it is on the table…
I know that you think you know what you posted but in many cases you don’t
Why do you believe that the supreme court ruled that abortions should be legal? The women that wanted an abortion were always able to find someone that would preform the abortion.
Current religion proports to take the bible literally. It has all the hall marks of a 2,000-year-old cult. Its foundation is in the age of ignorance and its objective is to impose ignorance on America.
Female teachers “molesting” teenagers have become a media sensation for the same reason a dog biting a man is not a story but a man biting a dog is a story.
Because it is so rare female teachers molesting teenage boys gets the maximum amount of press. Preachers molesting children is so common it is like a dog biting a man it is a non-story everybody already knows that is common.
You might do well to remember that only 5.8% of Rhode Islanders own guns. How do you think an anti-assault weapon platform would do in that state?
Will you stop clinging to the fairy tale that guns protect people.
The reality is that people that owns guns and their families are the ones most likely to be shot and killed.
If your silly fairy tale were true Rhode Island would be overrun by crime because 94% of the population doesn’t own a gun. Guess what Rhode Island has few guns and one of the lowest crime rates in the country at 43rd. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the gun manufacturers propaganda is a lie. Alaska with the highest rate of gun ownership has the highest rate of crime in America. The crime rate in Alaska is over 3 times as high. More guns, more violent crime. The more difficult we make it for people to own guns the more we reduce crime.
The fantasy of every mass murderer is acquiring a full automatic assault weapon to commit mass murder with.
The only thing that stopped them is they are very difficult to obtain. Only the Las Vegas shooter managed to make his assault weapons fully automatic. Guns have been stolen from the army before and in fact my uncle bought his Thompson home from the army.
Guns have been stolen from the army before and in fact my uncle bought his Thompson home from the army.
You have a real problem with facts when they don’t confirm to your fantasy.
“The background check works for the majority of people.” It isn’t the majority of people we are worried about it is the tiny minority that commit the mass murders. A fence built with holes in it is worthless.
You are right unions are on the decline and with the decline of the unions comes the decline of the middle class. Many non-unions companies pay better wages than union shops to keep unions out. If they can make their employees happy by paying more than union scale they will do it. But what happens when there are no union competitors? There is no longer any reason to pay a decent wage. Even a small number of unions is responsible for higher wages for many others.
My mom was in management and worked for one of two major hospitals in town. When the other hospital unionized. The hospital that she worked for bought in a professional consulting firm to keep the union out. The professional consultant first advice was to always pay more than the union hospital. The end result after a number of years was the unionized hospital bought the non-unionized Hospital.
Unions make for better managed companies as they help manage the company. The CEO sitting in his office often has no idea what actually goes on the shop floor given the chance employees can often improve things. Having a voice makes for more satisfied employees.
I don’t know what propaganda site you got that from, but it is a right wing lie. The only people that get back more money than they pay in are people with children that designed as a welfare program. How in the world do you figure people get more back than they pay in other than the child care credit? No program exists to pay people more than they pay in. This would require a source of dedicated revenue.
Only the people with excess wealth should be paying a tax levied on excess wealth.
Rights are inherent and self-evident like your right to control the functions of your own body? There can be no more right more self-evident than control of your own body and the right is working overtime to make sure you don’t have that right.
The drug problem is similar to a military position if the enemy is willing to commit 10 times the troops holding the position to overtake the position it will fall. When Regan was in office the right wanted to finance wars in a number of different countries, but congress made a law to cut off funding to any undeclared war. Since congress had cut the funds off for Reagan’s war in Nicaragua the CIA needed to find a creative way to finance the guns they were smuggling into Nicaragua. Since the planes were already going down with the guns there is no reason to fly the planes back empty. A deal was struck with one major drug cartel and the planes were loaded with cocaine on the return flights and cheap crack cocaine flooded the big cities. The right always believes that the end justifies the means. The Reagan administration is responsible for a good portion of America’s drug problems in their effort to “save the world.” The Republican War on Drugs what War on Drugs? They were supplying the enemy. Isn’t it funny how Reagan’s popularity has fallen even among Republicans?
AS a country we have decided that each generation can take its place in the political arena at age 18.
At that time, they can vote for candidates of their choice and work to support the political causes they support.
Each year seven million Americans come of age to vote and they are working to make sure they are all registered to vote. It is the American way. Seven million more votes against assault weapons each year. People are funny that way they don’t like getting shot at with assault weapons they don’t have a sporting chance of getting away.
Seven million more votes against assault weapons each year. People are funny that way they don’t like getting shot at with assault weapons they don’t have a sporting chance of getting away.
It is not the cut of the ticket it is a cut of the B&O tax I bought in. A half hour’s work resulted in several hundred thousand of B&O tax. I could usually achieve my objectives without writing tickets. One of the mayors was so upset over some things I had written on the internet and guest editorials in the newspaper he called me to his office and made an issue of the low number of tickets I had written. When I ticketed a few his friends he suddenly lost all interest. The B&O tax was 2% of the gross and an additional 2% on each sub-contractor’s contract on a several million-dollar projects the B&O adds up very quickly. In fact, it is the major portion of the city’s $60,000,000 budget.
Abortion is not a right.
The right is control over your own bodily function. But even that has limits. If you decided to terminate your bodily functions for instance by suicide. In some states suicide is consider a criminal act but it is hard to prosecute the dead. They just don’t show up in court. All rights have limits.
The majority elect the congressmen who make the laws. If someone believes a law is not constitutional they can take a case to court and the courts will rule if it is constitutional.
Governments are like any other business in order to provide services they need money.
A business can simply raise the price of its products to raise needed funds. A local government supplies services like police and fire protection. It also builds and maintains streets and sewers. If a government cannot raise taxes when necessary, it only choice is to cut services.
For instances in the 1980s the Federal Government made it illegal to dump raw sewage into the Ohio river. The city’s sewer system is a 100-year-old combination sewer system. This means the sanitary and storm sewers are mixed through most of the city. When it is not raining the sewer system works fine but when a thunderstorm hits the raw sewage is going 50 ft out into the river at several outlets. The sewage plant is over run, and they dump the plant into the river. The EPA fined the city a $150,000 for dumping sewage into the river 35 times in a year. The cost to replace system was estimated at $100 million in the 80s. They did not want to raise taxes to replace the sewer system. Now the cost to replace the sewer system is half a billion plus fines.
I figure if I can stay in the Kayak and keep the toilet paper off the paddle I’ll be fine. This is an example of what happens when the ungodly greedy use their political clout to keep from raising taxes to keep from replacing 100 year old infrastructure.
They take their $100,000 yachts out and let their children water ski in an open sewer. I am not surprised that the GOP would pass a law to keep the ungodly greedy from paying their share of taxes. When all state federal and local taxes are taken into account the ungodly greedy pay the lowest percentage of their income even less than the poor and they want to pay less. I say let the dead beats children drown in the open sewers across the country.
While the second amendment may not mention muskets, it can only grant a right to the state of “arms” at the time.
No one knows when an invention can no longer be improved. For all the founding fathers knew the guns at time were the state of art and would never be improved.
There is a concept under the law called dead hand control. Say a hundred-year-old subdivision had deed restriction that stated that no fences in the front yard. People in that subdivision could go to court and break the deed restriction claiming dead hand control. The people that made the deed restriction were long dead. Your belief is those long dead founding fathers, dead over 200 years, can grant rights to all future guns invented in the next 10,000 years. That is absurd, and you know it.
Tyranny would be taking the control over a person’s bodily functions, that is tyranny.
My opinion? Really, lest test that hypothesis. The Las Vegas shooting demonstrated to everyone what assault weapons are designed to do. Three rounds a minute would at least give school children a sporting chance. After the first victim was shot they could get a head start.
A musket is one thing an AR-15 a weapon of modern warfare has nothing in common with a musket except they both can fire a projectile.
Modern weapons of war have evolved so far that they have little to nothing in common with the guns that were state of the art in 1791.
The founding fathers could only design their amendment with the information available in 1791. If the founding fathers had the information available today the second amendment would be very restrictive.
The courts also agree that limits can be placed on the second amendment.
No court in America believes that you can have any such thing as unlimited rights.
The NRA was laundering Russian money and using it to elect Trump.
The Justice Department is currently investigating the NRA for actively working with the Russian. A Justice Department investigation is hardly crap. I wonder how many NRA members will drop their membership when they find out what the NRA is really doing.
I wonder how many NRA members will drop their membership when they find out what the NRA is really doing.
The idea of the post was how much damage could be done without a fully automatic assault weapon imagine how many more people would have been killed with fully automatic assault weapons?
With your absolutely no limits on gun rights philosophy the streets would be running over with fully automatic assault weapons.
Not one mass murder has ever been found innocent by reason of insanity so there goes your theory of them being nuts.
They are not nuts they know what they want to do and work toward that objective and achieve that objective that is the very definition of sanity.
Fatherless mass murders, you must be kidding. Do you have any idea how many children in America are fatherless?
Mass murders would make up less than a fraction of 1% of them.
No matter how much shotguns have in common with assault weapons what we don’t have is shotguns capable of firing 400-600 rounds a minute. Shotguns are not the choice of mass murders for that reason.
Slugs are not more deadly than 400-600 rounds a minute.
All you need do is take the mass murders that have taken place in the last year and a half, the Las Vegas mass murders, the Pulse Night Club mass murders, the Texas church mass murder, the Parkland FL massacre and a few others. That is all of the statistics you need to ban assault weapons forever.
It is not the same, actually the shootings in Chicago on the weekend I checked was far below the national average.
You are trying to equate the shooting that take place between drug dealers with mass murders in our schools.
You want to compare apples and oranges and come up with grapes.
We are not trying to stop gang violence we are trying to stop mass murders who kill because they enjoy killing.
In Chicago they have a specific target in mind a bystander may get shot accidentally but mass murders don’t care who they kill.
The VA Tech shooter chained the doors shut so the students could not escape he could have taken his time and killed them with pistols. That is the only mass murder that I know of where the exits were chained shut.
The NRA believed to have laundered at least $500,000 of Russian money for Trump. Look for big jail sentences for the top NRA officers. The proof was on national television on Meet the Press Daily. I realize you don’t watch the news or you would have seen it. Eventually the Justice Department will bring charges.
What happens in most political argument is one side takes and extreme position on one side and the other side takes an extreme position on the other and eventually they meet somewhere in the middle.
You are right there will be mass shootings after all the assault weapons have been melted down, but they will kill only a comparative few.
The days of killing 50 to 60 people in a single mass murder will be over for good.
Those like you who live in a black and white world will never see the world as it really is.
Everything that you don’t like is communist just like Coldjoint. Guns are as American as apple pie?
If you have something against majority rule you would really like a dictatorship.
The NRA has no business dictating what can and can’t be studied by the CDC.
This tells you that the NRA knows guns are unsafe at any speed. They know guns are a major health hazard and they wanted to keep that information from the public. Your article states that CDC had already determined what the NRA already knew that guns are a health hazard in the home. What the NRA wanted to prevent was the public finding out. This is the cigarette scandal all over again. The cigarette companies knew that they were killing people, but they insisted that cigarettes were good for you. The gun manufacturers knew what happened to the cigarette companies and they are trying to prevent it, but they should learn from history.
A gun is all that is necessary to defend your home you are not fighting a war where you would need an assault weapon. The Russians have only invaded the NRA and Whitehouse so far.
In none of the situations you posted would the AR-15 locked away in a gun safe. It was loaded and laying around for any child to pick up and play with.
Come on a tax office with a loaded AR-15. The idiot security guard fired through a wall. Here again we have a loaded gun just laying around. In none of these scenarios is a secured gun in a gun safe. A child could easily take the loaded AR-15 to school to commit mass murder. Could you find even one where a pistol wouldn’t be just as effective. If you have an incident where over thirty people were invading your home, you might make an argument for needing an AR-15 but of course that doesn’t happen except in your imagination. If you lived in the old west and a tribe of Indians attack your home, you might need an AR-15 but when was the last Indian attack?
You should be able to defend your home with what you chose?
How about an atomic bomb?
It is just nonsense to keep the sh** and giggles assault weapons. People are dying 59 at a time for what?
To start the Democrats tried to pass a single payer system like Medicare and the Republicans fought it to the bitter end.
So, Obamacare was a compromise caused by the Republicans.
All the modern industrial countries have national healthcare and pay a small fraction of the cost of the greed-based healthcare system in America.
If we are going to make healthcare affordable the first thing cut should be the billions in profit going to the health insurance pirates who huge profits off of every healthcare procedure in America.
Single payer is the only solution and the Republicans blocked it.
I have a friend who has stage four colon cancer he has been undergoing treatment for nine months. I asked about his medical bills and he has not had a bill. He is on Railroad retirement a modified Medicare insurance. If you ever get that type of cancer on your greed based 80% co insurance plan you will have lost everything you own. His care is already cost over a half a million. That means your share would be $100,000 and that is just for starters. Medical bankruptcy for people who have greed-based health insurance is the biggest reason for bankruptcy in America today. If you are going to go bankrupt when you get sick why buy greed-based health insurance in the first place?
America will continue to lose manufacturing jobs until we have single payer health insurance. Toyota was offered $500,000 to build their last plant in America but they built in Canada because they had national health insurance.
