The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

You surely can tell us what you think a communist is.

The problem is I don't think you would recognize a duck if it chewed your foot off.

Government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. The people make the laws thru their elected representatives but once the laws are made the government enforces those laws. Don’t like a law? Then you can work to repeal it.

The laws against alcohol were repealed as well as the laws against marijuana was also in many states recently. That system is not perfect but has worked for over 200 years but will never appeal to those who want their own way all the time.

That would depend on the politician and the public opinion. As I noted above, we have become a nanny state country and our politicians have a habit of doing what they think is best regardless of what public opinion is. CA's prop 168 and prop 8 are prime examples. The people spoke and the politicians over ruled them.

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The thing that bothers you most is you don’t believe the majority should rule you believe you should rule.

I don't like the "majority" voting away my Constitutional rights. My rights should not be based on what a majority thinks they should be. Mob rule was never the intention and the Constitution is meant to protect the rights of the individual, not the group or the majority.

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Our society doesn’t work that way.
If a politician votes against public opinion he can be recalled or voted out of office.

CO guns laws are a perfect example. The gun grabbers waited till after the 2014 election before trying to change our guns laws after they spent the election cycle saying they wouldn't. 2 out of 3 of those lairs were recalled and replaced but by then the damage to the laws was already done. Most laws once put in place are almost impossible to remove.

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Assault Weapons of war were designed for a specific purpose of killing as many people as possible in the shortest period of time on the battlefield.

You prove you know nothing about war doctrine when you say such things. It proves your dishonesty on the subject. You don't like guns, just be honest don't hide it in scary language, that doesn't work on my and I see through the scare tactics.

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They serve no other legitimate purpose. Assault weapons have absolutely no place on America’s streets.

You are wrong. You already have your mind made up, it's why you keep using the scary term "assault rifle/weapon". Calling it by what it really is, a sporting rifle, because they is the majority use here in the US, defeats your anti-gun point. When the killings continue with handguns, they will be next on your list and you will use this same BS language.

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You are witnessing the process at work most politicians been paid off by the gun manufacturers but in order to change the laws they will have to be voted out of office one at a time.

We are witnessing the end of the 2nd Amendment by mob rule. The Constitution is clear, shall not be infringed, in fact it's the only Amendment with such wording, why is that?

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Every time there is a mass murder people learn all they need to know about assault weapons. They kill many people in a short period of time.

They learn what the media wants them to know. Do you know the stats on defensive gun use in the US? Between 500,000 and 2 million a year, most with a shot never have been fired. AR's have been used in home defense, the media has an agenda, it's why they don't talk about defensive gun use, it would ruin their plans.

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Like it or not no gun free zone never stays that way for more than a few minutes and there was an armed policeman on site. You can call it that but it doesn't make it that.

Give it up, you are twisting yourself into knots trying to prove something that you can't. If the law doesn't permit guns in a location, it is a gun free zone, plain and simple. When the bullets start flying, minutes isn't enough time to get onsite and engage the shooter, by then lots of people are already dead.

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Do you know why that cop failed to do his job? He knew he had no chance of stopping a mass murder with an assault weapon.

He had no idea what kind of weapon he had, so don't make Monday morning quarterback calls based on current knowledge.

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He knew he had no chance of stopping a mass murder with an assault weapon. There was no cherry picking that was a genuine good guy with a gun which show that a gun free zone is a myth.

Once again, he didn't know anything, he was outside and had no idea what type of weapon the shooter had, the same goes for the LEO in the other example, he wouldn't have known what type of weapon the shooter had until he had eyes on him.
If civilians are restricted from having a gun on their person while in a location, that is a gun free zone. I'll leave you with the definition that was used under the 1990 Gun Free Zones Act...

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he Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) is an act of the U.S. Congress prohibiting any unauthorized individual from knowingly possessing a loaded or unsecured firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(25). The law applies to public, private, and parochial elementary schools and high schools, and to non-private property within 1000 feet of them.

LEO are considered authorized, you and me are not, it is illegal under Federal law to carry any type of gun onto a school zone, hence the title of the bill as signed by HW Bush.

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You make my argument ban the assault weapons and the cops have a chance to stop a shooter.

That isn't what happened at all. I am judging the LEO's on their actions at the time, you are judging them on their actions after the fact. Neither LEO known their situation going in and yet one confronted a shooter and stopped him, while the other one hid outside and let these kids get killed. One followed protocol while the other didn't, plain and simple.

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This was not a mass murder this was a boyfriend, girlfriend problem. Apples and oranges, they are both round but that is where the similarity ends.

You can say that now, but when the LEO onsite acted, he didn't know that. You can stop it with the 20/20 vision.

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The point is there is really no such thing as a gun free zone because in minutes that zone is crawling with guns of all types.

I've already proven you wrong.

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Gun free zone It is just a name if all guns are banned it might be gun free but if someone is packing it is gun free in name only.

The law disagrees with you and the law is clear it says authorized, which is LEO, civilians are not authorized to carry. Once again, the name is in the title and the only person a gun free zone protects is the shooter.

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Members of the NRA is one thing, gun owners are another some even cut up there AR-15s on line.

Those people were idiots, but I'm ok if they do that to their own weapons, that is their own right. That doesn't give them the right to say the govt should do the same thing to my weapons. If they were no danger to anyone, why cut up their weapons? Should I cut off my dick to stop rape, even though I'm not going to rape anyone?

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You live in a country of 330 million people and even if all 75 million-gun owners voted you would be out voted over six to one in a majority rules country.

This is why our rights are not left up to the majority, the Constitution is clear on mob rule. If the majority ruled, gay marriage would not have to have been decided by the SCOTUS. The states were voting against gay marriage, even CA who I thought would be the first state to legalize it by a vote of the people didn't do so, do you support majority rule?

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Gun ownership is now far less than 50% and getting smaller every single day the old west is dead.

I think gun ownership is higher than you think, I know lots of gun owners who have never been asked such questions and may of them like me wouldn't answer honestly. I don't think anyone has any right to know what types of guns I own or how many or why I own guns. Whether I hunt or target shoot or have them simply for home defense, that isn't anyone's business.

That article was enough to convince anyone that there is a good reason to ban armor-piercing ammunition.

Did you read how the Republican tax scam worked.

Absolutely no cut in the tax rate for those making up to $44,000.

Income Tax Rate Income Levels for Those Filing As:
2017 2018-2025 Single Married-Joint
10% 10% $0-$9,525 $0-$19,050
15% 12% $9,525-$38,700 $19,050-$77,400
25% 22% $38,700-$82,500 $77,400-$165,000
28% 24% $82,500-$157,500 $165,000-$315,000
33% 32% $157,500-$200,000 $315,000-$400,000
33%-35% 35% $200,000-$500,000 $400,000-$600,000
39.6% 37% $500,000+ $600,000+

The first tax rate was 10% and it remains at 10% after the Trump tax scam. Please explain how that is a tax cut if the tax rate remains the same.

The standard deduction is raised but personal exemptions were eliminated.

Trump's tax plan doubles the standard deduction. A single filer's deduction increases from $6,350 to $12,000.

The deduction for Married and Joint Filers increases from $12,700 to $24,000. It reverts back to the current level in 2026. It's estimated that 94 percent of taxpayers will take the standard deduction.

A family with children will pay more and even the Republicans that wrote the tax bill will admit that 10% of the public will pay more in this tax “cut”

and those are the poor and middle class with children and 90 year old retired widows not the upper middle class.

The Act increases the Child Tax Credit from $1,000 to $2,000. Even parents who don't earn enough to pay taxes can claim the credit up to $1,400. It increases the income level from $110,000 to $400,000 for married tax filers.
It allows parents to use 529 savings plans for tuition at private and religious K-12 schools. They can also use the funds for expenses for home-schooled students.
It allows a $500 credit for each non-child dependent. The credit helps families caring for elderly parents.

It is an outright lie that everyone is getting a tax cut unless it is all the right are getting a tremendous tax cut while the poor are going to pay more. You could not have read the Republican tax scam.

That the AR-15 is simply a masculinity symbol is probably the argument that is closest to the truth of the matter.

There was a documentary on HBO a few years ago that was about sex toy party where the woman running refers to the typical size of a Porsche driver equipment as four inches another masculinity symbol. She looked like she knew what she was talking about.

Our policemen are always instructed to jail people under state charges. If they are charged under local laws the city has to pay for their time in jail and that is expensive.

Many organization have constitutions that you are subject to if you are a part of that organization. When is the last time you read your local constitution? Or even your state constitution?

When is the last time you read your local constitution? Or even your state constitution?

I don’t recall even one case involving the state constitution.

Nobody seems to argue over state constitutions the way they argue over the national constitution. I am not saying that there were no cases but I think it shows the relative importance of them.

But it is not only the acceptance of driver’s license but the laws are extremely similar.

When you go to another state you don’t ask for a copy of their laws so that you won’t violate them you treat the states as one country not a collection of different countries.

you treat the states as one country not a collection of different countries.

That court decision is on a par with the court decision that said a corporation is the same as citizen with all the rights of citizen. The first amendment stands on its own no court decision was necessary.

Anarchist believe that no government is necessary but in the end that is just a pipe dream. People tried that but it didn’t work.

One thing that the communists that founded the modern conservative movement did was to convince people that the American government is your enemy.

You are right it has happened and the individual yelling fire went to jail.

She did not try and warn anybody about communism when she arrived in America she went straight to Hollywood to become a screen writer. As soon as she masters the art of fiction she joined hands with her fellow communists and sets out to destroy America.

In order for the communists to destroy America they needed to destroy our sense of community.

Stat: In 511 days there have been 555 mass shootings defined as 4 or more people shot.

You can do a search for “suicide car accident statistics” this will yield several studies but not the one I was referring to. The books index would not help me locate it quickly. I will try to find the exact study by going back through the book. I never learned how to do links.

When you list those, who died by gun it has to include everyone who died by gun you can subdivide it later but the overall number must stand. 555 mass shootings in 511 says it all.

Folk wisdom has its limits but I do think that power is a big part of the equation. I think that is what attracts people to assault weapons in the first place.

I usually refer to gun nuts but don’t take me seriously if you commit mass murder you will not be found innocent by insanity.

IN WV if you talk to anyone they are likely to own a gun even my 89-year-old mother has a gun. Gun fire is very common here. When the gun fire starts here no one bothers to call a cop gun fire is the norm.

One of the candidate for the governor of Ohio stated his platform is banning assault weapons.

I don’t know how to do links.

Do you realize that you can sell a gun without being a licensed gun dealer?

Individuals do sell guns at gun shows. The only way it could be a myth is if there was a law that prohibited individuals from selling their guns.

If an individual can sell a gun without a background check, then back ground checks are worthless.

An individual that can’t buy a gun legally can always buy a gun from an individual.

That is a loophole that you can fly a 747 through. All the criminals and people judged insane will always have free access to guns.

The shooter didn’t have an AR-15 and instead of 17 dead one person was shot in the ankle. It makes a difference.

The 60s was the reference for starting point for your article when both mass murders and the number assault weapons begin to increase. If the number of assault weapons begin to go down and the mass murders go up it would be a different story but that is not what happened.

I see that English is not your first language in order for it to be a baby it must be born, up to that point it is fetus.

There is no such thing as a dead baby at Planed Parenthood.

It is one thing to take someone’s AR-15 but when you no longer have the right over your own body it is worse than Nazi Germany.

If men also had babies there would be no question about abortion being legal.

This is just the rapists that want to force women they raped to have their children.

I know that it will work I have done it before. The union had worked hard to elect the first mayor in 30 years.

he system works if you are willing to work. All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.

The ban the assault weapons movement is a good example of a group of citizens working to make a law.

Marijuana is controversial right now and if the Federal government chooses to enforce the laws against marijuana it would still be illegal in those states.

My generation believed that marijuana was no worse than alcohol the law will change for better or worse.

Politicians have one thing in common they want reelected the public power relies on the ability to vote a politician out of office. Huntington is a city of 50,000 but you would be surprised of what can be accomplished if you are willing to invest enough time.

To live in America, you have to learn to accept the fact that the majority rules.

If the second amendment had come with a list of guns that were legal under the second amendment you would have a point but the second amendment doesn’t say you have a right to bear an AR-15.

The thing about our system is laws can be changed and then changed back again. Marijuana was legal then it was illegal and now it is legal again in some states. Laws are passed by majority vote it may be that two you recalled were not enough to override the majority.

Tell me even one situation when you would need to kill a hundred people in under a minute. War is the only reason someone needs that much fire power.

Assault weapon is a classification of guns based on common characteristic.

Shot gun is a classification based on common characteristic.

Pistols are a classification of guns based on common characteristics.

Assault weapon accurately describes those guns and their purpose.

The second amendment will never be repealed. Will not be infringed.

What will not be infringed? The right to bear “arms” not the right to bear AR-15s.

Who made that statistic up?

Defensive Use of Guns
Defensive uses of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence,
although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996;
Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive
gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by
criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to
more than 3 million per year (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about
300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the
other hand, some scholars point to radically lower estimate of only
108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization
Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a
controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per
year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken
from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is
difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically
about defensive gun use.

Between half million and two million. Were they all drug dealers or policemen. If you can’t get within a million and half that statistic is beyond useless. How many with AR-15s? How many with pistols? How many with shot guns?

It is the NRA twisting the fact they know full well that there are guns on site and sometimes several armed guards not to mention regular patrols. By saying gun free it is a lie and they know it is a lie.

The fire from the assault weapons is much more rapid.

I can tell the difference when the neighbors are shooting their deer rifles and when their shooting assault weapons.

The shooter in FL shot many rounds in 6 minutes. Cops are very familiar with guns and they would know what they were up against.

I have been on the police ranger when high powered sniper rifles were being fired and this shot was that loud. That policeman in FL heard those shots. That maybe a definition of gun free zone but it is not the reality if a gun was on site.

The fantasy spread by the NRA is there was no gun at the school the reality was there was an armed professional.

The policeman in Maryland did not see a shooter with an AR-15 he saw a kid with a pistol at least let’s hope he just wasn’t shooting children at random.

Your lost in the definition and ignoring the reality. The NRA use gun free zones to con the public to believe that is why the FL school was targeted but shooter went to that school and was fully aware there was an armed guard there and it didn’t make a difference.

The people that cut their AR-15s up did it for one reason they wanted to make sure that no one would ever be killed with their gun.

They realize that the AR-15 could be stolen or sold and the only way to make sure it would never be used as a murder weapon was to cut it up.

You can have majority rule or be ruled by a king.

I am not familiar with the case law regarding gay marriage.

To arrive at the number of owners a representative survey is done not everyone will be asked.

The number of people who own reregistered guns is also available.

We do know that gun ownership is going down and will take a major drop when this generation passes.

If a bullet can penetrate a bullet proof vest than it should be banned.

If a bullet can penetrate a bullet proof vest than it should be banned.

You have no idea what you are looking at.

That is another big Republican lie. No matter how little I made even when I was in college I an made $5,000 a year I paid taxes.

The tax rate in that 10% is the taxes they have to pay they cannot get one penny of that back.

The individual income tax is designed to be progressive – those with higher incomes pay at higher rates. A Pew Research Center analysis of IRS data from 2015, the most recent available, shows that taxpayers with incomes of $200,000 or more paid well over half (58.8%) of federal income taxes, though they accounted for only 4.5% of all returns filed (6.8% of all taxable returns).

By contrast, taxpayers with incomes below $30,000 filed nearly 44% of all returns but paid just 1.4% of all federal income tax – in fact, two-thirds of the nearly 66 million returns filed by people in that lowest income tier owed no tax at all. (The IRS tax data used here are estimates based on a stratified probability sample of all returns.)

The standard deduction went up $5,650 but over 72% of that was offset by the loss of $4,050 personal deduction. A couple got a n increase $11,300 in standard deduction but lost $8,100 in personal exemptions unless they had children at that point they lost 5 personal exemptions x $4,050= $20,250. Meaning they will be taxed on another $8950. They pay more taxes not less the more children you have the more taxes you pay. Tax cut my A..
Who do you think did the estimate Trump? Around here it will be at least 50% who will pay more taxes not less.

According to the most recent IRS data, for the 2013 tax year,

30.1 percent of households chose to itemize their deductions (44 million returns).
68.5 percent of households chose to take the standard deduction (101 million returns).
1.6 percent of households had zero or negative adjusted gross income, and were unable to take any deductions. (2 million returns)
These statistics show that most American taxpayers choose to take the standard deduction. However, this is not the case for higher-income taxpayers. When it comes to households with incomes over $75,000, a significant majority itemizes deductions

It is the poor states that voted for Trump that will be hit far harder than high income states you listed. Because it is the low income that did not get a tax cut high income states got tremendous tax cuts on their high incomes.

Deductions for home schooling will produce more mass murders who are not socialized.

Cult education teaching children to be cult members where they teach magical thinking is detrimental.

These are all plots to undermine and destroy public education.

Children cannot eat tax credits for private schools’ tuition of $10,000 a year. It another tax break for millionaires who send their kids to private school. It will allow $500 for the elderly but it did allow $4,050. Another less is more tax scam.