There was some question at the time of how the video of the inside of the hotel room in Las Vegas was obtained but news outlets would be willing to pay major bucks and not all policemen are honest.
The arms dealer was charged with manufacture and sale of armor piercing bullets because that ammunition is illegal I think this will make him an accessory to crime even though he was unaware what the bullets were going to be used for. There were also tracer bullets and none of the ammunition was used by the shooter. It is likely that he will make a deal and take a plea to a lesser charge.
Many policemen have taken a stand against assault weapons and especially those who have been involved shooting where the criminals had assault weapons.
The subject of carrying a gun had come up and the Fire Marshalls did actually start carrying guns but I was against carrying a gun. I would often shut down a construction site with 50 angry men on the site. I couldn’t shoot all of them without an assault weapon. As cop, imagine yourself in a dark alley facing criminals with assault weapons.
Evil is more of a biblical concept where the devil made you do it. We have to get away from that concept that absolves the criminal of responsibility somewhat.
Quote:Some killer even climax while they are the act of killing and they take trophies from their victims so they can relive the kill. They are born to kill. A mass murder would continue to kill also but they don’t generally get away. Statues, high heels and hammers are the exception, guns are the rule.
“The majority of the killers were disgruntled workers or jilted lovers who were acting on a deep sense of injustice,” and not mentally ill, Dr. Stone said of his research.
In a 2016 analysis of 71 lone-actor terrorists and 115 mass killers, researchers convened by the Department of Justice found the rate of psychotic disorders to be about what Dr. Stone had discovered: roughly 20 percent.
The overall rate of any psychiatric history among mass killers — including such probable diagnoses as depression, learning disabilities or A.D.H.D. — was 48 percent.
Without impulse control those under the age of 25 are far more likely to draw their weapon and shoot someone. They simply don’t think ahead to consequences.
The founding fathers after 25 were as good as they would ever be.
The gun control regulations put in place in cities like New York and Chicago are undermined by the fact that guns can obtained out of their jurisdiction so we don’t they would work if they were in effect across the country.
The 1994 Assault weapon ban defined a high capacity magazine as any magazine that held more than 10 rounds.
If someone broke in your house you should be able to take him down with ten rounds.
Police officers only carried six round revolvers for years.
All of law comes down to what would a reasonable man do. I think they looked at what they thought would be reasonable.
This did not apply to hand guns it is the assault weapons it applies to.
More Monday morning quarterbacking it is easy to step forward after the fact. Hindsight is always 20/20.
The NRA is simply a front for the gun manufacturers and it is such a nice racket that the cigarette manufacturers tried to copy it by setting up a smoker’s association to defend the cigarette manufacturers. The gun manufacturer own the NRA just like they own the politicians if you take their money they own you. The NSSF doesn’t get a fraction of the $100s of million that go to the NRA. How many politicians did the NSSF give $50 million to in the last election?
There is nothing more truthful. If I said I retired from the fire department it would be a lie.
I also enforced zoning laws and it is illegal to put bill board signs up on the side of residential buildings no matter what they advertise. Laws are made for reason signs are very tightly regulated by size and placement. Imagine a town with 400 sq ft signs on the side of every house.
Sorry a dead person killed with a gun is a dead person killed with a gun no matter who shoots them.
You do have a point the guy that processed the crime scene in town was at one time a civilian.
Policemen fear armor-piercing bullets because they make bullet proof vests useless. Criminals use them to kill policemen.
If this guy has been selling armor-piercing bullets to the criminal element the police would like to see him “disappear.”
They don’t agree because they have not been in a shootout with criminals with assault weapons.
Law enforcement officials were one of the key groups that pushed for the 1994 assault weapon ban.
There were several attacks on law enforcement with assault weapons just prior to the passage of the 1994 assault weapon ban.
One other notable person that supported the assault weapon ban, Ronald Reagan who a sent a letter to support the passage of the assault weapon ban that was signed by two other former presidents.
I don’t think there is evil in the world there are just psychopaths who lack empathy.
Mass murders and serial killers have the mot important thing in common they kill because they want to.
No, I am saying gun control laws have to be national in scope.
West Virginia sells all kinds of guns that go to New York. Gun laws have to be national to work. If you ban a gun in New York city they will simply buy it somewhere else.
The vast majority of gun owners will only kill themselves or their families those are not the problem.
In my lifetime last year was the only time the national guard had to be called up to stop the murders.
I guess they just decided that ten people should be the maximum number of people murdered with one magazine.
No, ten just sounded like a reasonable number.
In our town most policemen carried pistols up until 2000 but the town was usually broke and replacing all the guns would have been really expensive. I don’t know exact date but I can find out.
To start with the sheriff was not the one that went on the calls and he was not the one that made the judgement calls his deputies did.
Do you think that they could keep Cruz in jail for life for making remarks?
Sorry it would never happen and it will not happen to next mass murder either. Any excuse will do in a bind. No amount of could have, should have, would of ever changes reality.
Yes, I can back that up 100% I have posted the article before. I don’t do hyperlinks but the article is: “How the Gun Industry Funnels Tens of Millions of Dollars to the NRA” I had run across the NSSF in that article I believe. Have you ever heard one single politician say he was endorsed by the NSSF? There is a reason the campaign contribution comes from the NRA and the NRA money comes from the gun manufacturers. Trump got $50,000 from the NRA in the last election.
If you move outside the city limits you can paint sign all over your house but those who live in the city live there for a reason.
I had a solution for drunk drivers hook a shot gun to the breathalyzer and point it at the person being tested head if he blew over a .08 the gun would automatically fire one way or the other drunk driving would soon end. Once the subject blew over .08 make a loud noise and even though the shot gun was not loaded it would make a lasting impression.
It is the mass murders that we are trying to stop and your own article places the blame on assault weapons. The longest journey starts with the first step.
The video was taken shortly after the shooting and at that time the crime scene would have been guarded by policemen not civilians for someone to shoot the video someone would have had to turn their head.
In your mind what would be the justification for needing armor-piercing ammunition on the streets?
If you were a policeman would you really want every criminal you faced to be armed with an assault weapon? Be truthful would you want to deal with that? Every criminal isn’t armed wit an assault weapon yet but with 8 million on the streets it is just a matter of time.
I see that you agree with the article you posted. But the article is a long search for excuses that somebody somewhere must have wronged them.
The psychologist that wrote the article can’t come to terms with the fact that everybody is not just like him there are real differences between people and some people are wired completely different than he is.
Like it or not America is not fifty different countries it is one country with local subdivisions.
It is a ridiculous assumption that the second amendment is unlimited.
A 1791 law can only grant you what definition of arms was in 1791.
Who placed the limit on the right to free speech that you cannot yell fire in crowded theater? It would it be the government arresting that person.
You have to decide whether we live in fifty different countries or one country.
That is like saying that murder is legal in WV so all you need to is bring your victim to WV and you could legally kill them.
You are right, there are far more than 11,000 to 12,000 killed each year it is more like 36,000. Your stats are made up out of whole NRA cloth.
I live in WV and the National Guard was called in to try and slow down the murder rate. You might have to access the local paper in the December 2017 issues. This week over 200 DEA, State Police, local police raided houses in town. I don’t live in town.
Somebody had to pick a number and I suspect it was one that was common before the age of assault weapons.
I don’t think you have any idea how many nuts are on the streets.
If everybody that said they were going to kill people actually did the population of America would be a whole lot less.
But would it have been nice if assault weapons were illegal and they could have taken Cruz's assault weapon.
All Cruz need do was go to a gun show and buy an AR-15.
Under the current law it is impossible to stop a determined mass murderer.
The gun manufacturers use the NRA to launder their money so the public won’t realize where it coming from. The NRA gets a percentage of some manufacturer sales. The NRA is a front. Planned parenthood has to buy supplies the NRA doesn’t. You seem to miss the point that gun manufacturers could make political contributions directly to politicians and cut out the middle man but they want to pretend that they don’t make political contributions.
People move to the city because they want rules to protect their property.
I take it you drink.
If I was digging a ditch and you wanted to stop me the easiest way would be to take my shovel.
If I was headed into a school to murder school children taking my assault weapon would be the easiest way to stop me. Both are necessary tools to do the job.
All of these gun free zones are going to be absolutely full of guns in two minutes. Do you think these school shooters don’t know that there will be guns all over the place in a few minutes?
Did it stop even one them?
There is no such thing as a gun free zone. If school shooters were afraid of being shot they would not do it. They fully intend to die.
There is no chance the second amendment will ever be repealed the goal is that reasonable limits be put in place that it is no longer unlimited.
I don't think you have a clue to what a communist is.
“The listed definition is of armor-piercing projectile: A projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely ( excluding the presence of other traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium or (II) full jacketed projectiles larger than 22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25% of the total weight of the projectile.”
Empathy is what makes us human beings able to put ourselves in someone else’s shoes.
Most people believe in the just world hypothesis. Two groups of college students shown the pictures of the same people but one group was told a number of positive things about the people in the pictures, like they were rich. The second group were told negative things like they had cancer. When the college students rated the same people the people who they had been told had cancer or negative troubles were rated far worse than the same picture that had been given positive qualities. In other words if you had cancer it was because you were a bad person. If we live in a just world and someone kills other people it must be because something bad happened to them and the mass murder is pay back.
Humans long for a just world and our first attempt to impose a just world was the imposition of law. We call it justice. When we realized that the world was still not just so we invented God the avenger who would avenge all wrongs in the afterlife. What we need to realize is we are trying to impose a just world on a world full of random events. The world will never be just but when we look through the just world lens at mass murders it obscures the truth. We should not worry about looking for a motive and what is wrong with the world but try to understand what is wrong with the shooters.
I never think of myself as a citizen of WV I am a citizen of America. Laws across America are for the most part standardized. Murder is illegal in all 50 states. We cross state line without even thinking about it.
If you chose to think that the constitution limits the federal government instead of granting rights to individuals how can the government police those rights.
In other words, how can the government arrest the guy yelling fire! In a crowded theater? The government places limits on rights.
You’re saying that the 10th amendment gave Mississippi the right to kill the civil rights worker. How did that work out the Federal Government simply made a law that they could prosecute the Mississippi sheriff for violation of civil rights.
Placing limits on the second amendment lies at the heart of the assault weapon ban. Those that argue assault weapons cannot be banned cite the second amendment.
The first amendment does not control modern technology subsequent laws were adopted to cover advancements in technology and that is the way it should be.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
The government decides what limits will be placed on rights. I have read thousands of court decisions and been involved in hundreds. That decision does not pass the common-sense test it will be over turned sooner or later. Yelling fire in a theater shows that limits can be placed on any right.
I have read the Federalist papers and they are way overrated.
It does not matter how many are suicides we are talking about it is how many people actually die by gun.
Many suicides turn out to be murders when investigated. Many automobile accidents are suicides also but when they count the number of people killed in car accidents they don’t subtract the 20,000 people that committed suicide by car.
How do you think that they should pick the maximum number of rounds in a magazine?
Let somebody shoot at a target and if they missed the bull’s eye 29 times they make it 30. I think the Barney Fife rule should apply one bullet in your pocket.
There are a lot more nuts than you can imagine that Police deal with every day.
Why do you think people want guns in the first place?
Do you not think that owning a gun tells you something about a person’s character?
I think that is reason for the assault weapon ban is to take every assault style weapon in America.
While a few mass murders are done with pistol the major mass murders are done with assault weapons.
Every time gun control comes up the first thing mention is the gun show loophole that gun manufacturers have tried to stop from being closed.
The loophole is that a private seller can sell to an individual without a background check. So if you were at a gun show selling your AR-15 Cruz or an other mass murder could buy it without a background check. That was not the law.
I was recently in a pawn shop where a woman was trying to purchase some guns she was told it would be a week before her background check could be completed
You never stop anything but you can significantly cut down on the number of children murdered.
According to article you posted the mass murders are in fact a product of assault weapons.
That is called cause and effect.
I don’t like the merchants of death buying our political system.
Have you heard the statement a government of the people, by the people and for the people?
Citizens make the laws they live under when a law is considered the citizens are notified and two public meetings are held. The public can speak and laws that are opposed by the public are rejected. The public can petition to repeal any law they don’t like.
Assault weapons were designed to kill large numbers of people.
Parkland was not a gun free zone they had an armed sheriff’s deputy on site. We all know how that worked out don’t we.
All it takes to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Really? There was a good guy with a gun at Parkland and it made no difference.
If it is a gun free zone there are no guns at all. It can’t be free of guns if there are guns there.
The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) is an act of the U.S. Congress prohibiting any unauthorized individual from knowingly possessing a loaded or unsecured firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(25). The law applies to public, private, and parochial elementary schools and high schools, and to non-private property within 1000 feet of them. It provides that the states and their political subdivisions may issue licenses that exempt the licensed individuals from the prohibition.
The NRA is just 5 million people out of 330 million and they are losing ground every day. It is not reasonable to have weapons of war on the streets of America.
Calling someone a communist is just a typical red neck right slur and tells you much more about the ignorance of the one using the slur than anything else.
The page that had the definition of armor-piercing ammunition had a picture of quarter inch thick boiler plate steal that had been pierced by armor-piercing ammunition I can see why they say it will go through a car or a house.
There was sure no empathy in the tax changes this year as the poorest will pay more and the mega rich will get hundreds of millions in tax cuts.
It is the power that attracts men to the AR-15 it is a masculinity symbol. Assault weapons serve no purpose but you know what they say the bigger the gun the smaller the equipment. It makes you feel more powerful than you are. You might not like it but “the times are changing.”
To you bullets are what pass for rational thought.
It depends what law you break, you can be arrested on Federal charges, state charges, or local charges.
Unions also have constitution and many other organizations also have constitution.
If I had to have a passport to get into Ohio and was stopped at the border I might be more inclined to think that I lived in a country named West Virginia. To be sure there are legal subdivisions but no one ever says I live in the country of West Virginia.
That is a particularly rotten court decision if the amendments limit the government power than it would be impossible for the government to limit someone from yelling fire in a crowded theater plus the other limits that have been put in place on amendments.
Someone has to decide what limits will be imposed. In the end someone has to be in charge and that is government you might not want a king but you still have to have a government.
Let’s try a little experiment you go in a theater and start yelling fire! And see how long it is before you are arrested. Are you saying you can now yell fire in a crowded theater and watch as people are killed an injured trying to escape and it is perfectly legal?
I guarantee that you the law that allows the police to arrest you for yelling fire in a theater is still on the books you might fight it all the way to Supreme court but you would still be jailed.
There are two books that are required reading if you are a conservative and all 1168 pages of “Atlas Shrugged.” It was written by Alisia Zinovyevna Rosenbaum, screen name Ayn Rand. She saw America an she told the rabid right how to improve America and soon as her cult got power America has gone straight downhill. Only the right would believe that the Russian know better.
The gun statistic are one thing but mass murders are the current problem and we are now currently averaging one mass murder everyday many of smaller mass murders are only reported locally.
Sorry there is a large study of car accidents and suicides that links automobile accidents not only to suicides but murder suicides.
Sorry you don’t get to subdivide gun death statistics.
I don’t think the average gun owner is psychopath but they do have certain character flaws in common.
There was another mass murder with an AR-15 today and the only reason there are not 50 people dead is someone took the gun away from the shooter and threw it over the counter. This can’t go on the large capacity magazines have to go.
That is exactly why we have a record number of mass murders now it is easy to just say everybody that doesn’t agree with you is a nut. By saying all the mass murders are nuts it justifies doing absolutely nothing to solve the problem.
I have talked to a lot of gun owners.
I believe any assault weapon ban has to be at the federal level.
I had this discussion before and when the mass murders done with pistols in the last fifteen years were compared to the last year and half done with assault weapons it was only a small fraction of the mass murders. There was only one mass murder with pistols that was over 30 and the shooter chained the doors shut before he started shooting.
I don’t know how you missed the gun loophole it has got more publicity than any other part of the gun debate.
If I am a gun dealer and sell you a gun you must get a background check but if I am an individual at the gun show and sell you a gun there is no background check.
The NRA has fought tooth and nail. The shooter in FL this week could not own a gun he went on line and bought one from an individual with no background check.
Assault weapons are just tools that make mass murder possible. The article stated that mass murder were almost unknow until the spread of assault weapons. You should be able to draw a graph showing the increase in number of assault weapons on the streets and the number of people killed in mass murders.
I have never been a big fan of Planed Parenthood but the NRA has the blood of millions on their hands.
