House of Reps. member Giffords shot in Arizona today

@Lash,

I'm surprised that someone who purports to be a teacher has so little appreciation for the power of words.

I guess you don't expect your students to listen to what you say.

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@peter jeffrey cobb,

Banks, Armored cars and many other places that violent crimes take place already have cameras.

Cameras seem to lull the masses into a false sense of security, they become less aware of their surroundings.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Why is it not boring Dave? Firing guns is all the same. Pull the trigger and bang. I've fired a good few and I can't remember ever getting a blast out of it. Not even a gun that was for knocking planes out of the sky. We thought it was to create jobs in munition's factories and in the contract arrangements processes.

I should think a battleship broadside might be good fun. In practice I mean. In real operations it would attract attention.

But I can see the point if it does produce a blast. I never get bored with the barmaid wearing her loose, low top reaching for a glass off the bottom shelf. And I'm not the only one. It's not really a true blast but in our state we can't expect much in that line.

I suppose it depends on nuances of difference in blast inducements. Which must be conditioned reflexes.

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@Lash,

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You don't think she meant for anyone to kill Democrats, do you?

When, in 1170, Henry II shouted from his sickbed--"What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?" you don't think he meant for anyone to kill Thomas Becket, the Archbishop of Canterbury and since canonised, do you?

Some say he said "Will no-one rid me of this turbulent priest?" but I prefer the former version for its style.

In plain English of the commoner sort--"A nod's as good as a wink to a blind horse."

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@H2O MAN,

well I suppose thats true. Hmm..... like I said Im not trying to make an argument against the right to bear arms. From a larger perspective. Few Countrys would attempt to invade a country, wich its civilians are armed. Well I supposed we all seen enough CNN to see the results of that Smile

I am just saying in Both scenarios that were provided, One being a bad guy dies, and the other an inoccent person dies. Well I just think.......... We might have done a bit better............ with non leathel devices......... such as a camera Smile

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@peter jeffrey cobb,

is CNN still on the air?

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@H2O MAN,

I just asked my Mom and she said yes Smile

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@peter jeffrey cobb,

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FYI:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/12/palin-calls-criticism-blood-libel/?hp
Joe(blood libel? Rolling Eyes

)Nation

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@Joe Nation,

Joe Nation wrote:

FYI:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/12/palin-calls-criticism-blood-libel/?hp
Joe(blood libel? )Nation

Proponents of Speech Limits

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@Joe Nation,

Nuuuuuu its trap......... you want my voices to start arguing about Sarahs point of view Smile

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@peter jeffrey cobb,

Ill tell you what Smile

invite Sarah to read my topics. If she leaves a post............ Then I would consider it honor..... To attemp to understand her point of view Smile

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@djjd62,

Setanta wrote:

Your remark about Sarah Brady was snotty and unnecessary--i'm not surprised by that at all. She and her busband were long-time activists in the Republican Party and for conservative causes. It was hardly a case of a "private citizen mouthing off." This is another sample of your idiosyncratic and self-serving description of how highly you value civility.

djjd62 wrote:

it's interesting, i've got the impression that OSD seems to value individualism, and in my mind, a private citizen mouthing off is front and centre in that idea, unless of course that citizen is saying something you don't agree with i guess

I did not tell her to shut up,
but I know from abundant observation
that private citizens' mouthing off very seldom generate tangible results.

That has nothing to do
with what I like, approve of, or detest.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

but I know from abundant observation
that private citizens' mouthing off very seldom generate tangible results.

in that case, we can expect you to stop posting?

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@Joe Nation,

“When we say ‘take up our arms,’ we are talking about our vote,” she said. (ms Palin)

now I'm cornfused...

so the second amendment is about our votes?

she's got just a little GWB in her, I think...

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Why is it not boring Dave?
Firing guns is all the same.
Pull the trigger and bang.

I enjoy testing and using my ordnance.
I like to see how accurate I can be.
Sometimes, I go target shooting with friends;
sometimes take a young lady to a gunnery range
then on to dinner and a movie.

I 'm particularly fond of submachineguns.
MP5 is my favorite; very sweet.

David

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@ehBeth,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

but I know from abundant observation
that private citizens' mouthing off very seldom generate tangible results.

ehBeth wrote:

in that case, we can expect you to stop posting?

If that were my goal,
then: yes.
Do U anticipate tangible results to your posting ?

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@McTag,

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Do you think we'll hear less from some Republicans about "Second Amendment solutions" now?

No.

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@revelette,

revelette wrote:

I can honestly say I don't remember any violent rhetoric being spouted by respected leaders and/or pundits in speeches by democrats. If they are there, they should be easily found. If they did, then they were just as wrong as those which have been pointed in the last few days here.

I know this tragic incident (so far anyway) does not seem to be related to the call to arms by those in the party. Also I believe in free speech. What I don't believe in is inciting violence as a way to a political end or any other unjustified reason. Rant all you want about Obama being a socialist and all those who support him being communist and all those things are fair game. Democrats saying Bush lied adn people died is fair game. This tragic incident may not have been caused by all the violent rhetoric over the last two years, but it could have been very easily.

The killer did not say that he was executing the advice of any ideolog.
He did not indicate that he was moven by any person's opinions of anything.
David Berkowitz killed because he understood
Sam 's dog to have counseled him to do so.

There is no reason to accuse us
of promoting violence; we are innocent of that.
I wish that the killer had gotten a heart attack
and died a few minutes b4 he arrived at the scene,
leaving the Congressman intact.

David

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@Oylok,

Thanks, oylok, for quoting david on gifford's alleged negligence to carry her guns with her. I'm not reading his posts today. However, what sane and reasonable person who wants to be taken seriously as an adult, let alone as a leader, walks around with guns?

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