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DO YOU THINK THIS WOMAN DESERVED A PAT DOWN?

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:19 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:
Yes. Nail clippers are endangering the flying public, but it's completely permissible to carry a large club onto a plane.

Not to mention the fire axes that are already on the plane.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:19 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

I know Logan Boston it is happening. Not sure if all airports have this body scanner. The last time I flew in the summer - I was not selected to go in the body scanner. This is when they first came out and they selected people "randomly." The TSA agent said my last name and the way I looked made me seem as not a threat. I also noticed leaving Dallas (so I assume Dallas has them) - they selected someone - someone if I would to choose, I would have selected as well. So I guess it is not all random.

I think they have gotten more and more of these scanners out - and changed the pat down to more instrusive searches - thus all the up roar. Not sure if they are all randomly selecting people or everyone has to go through - I will find out next month though.


Oakland airport has them, I've been through it. Even when you go through the backscatter machine, you still get a pretty decent patdown. I just stared at the dude who was doing it and let him feel the full brunt of my contempt the whole time. He was embarrassed to even have to be doing it.

Cycloptichorn
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:28 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Linkat wrote:

I know Logan Boston it is happening. Not sure if all airports have this body scanner. The last time I flew in the summer - I was not selected to go in the body scanner. This is when they first came out and they selected people "randomly." The TSA agent said my last name and the way I looked made me seem as not a threat. I also noticed leaving Dallas (so I assume Dallas has them) - they selected someone - someone if I would to choose, I would have selected as well. So I guess it is not all random.

I think they have gotten more and more of these scanners out - and changed the pat down to more instrusive searches - thus all the up roar. Not sure if they are all randomly selecting people or everyone has to go through -
I will find out next month though.


Oakland airport has them, I've been through it. Even when you go through the backscatter machine, you still get a pretty decent patdown. I just stared at the dude who was doing it and let him feel the full brunt of my contempt the whole time. He was embarrassed to even have to be doing it.

Cycloptichorn
The Japs are really good at the patdown; thay 're the best.
Thay begin by asking: "May I search u?" and then thay proceed.
Thay r careful n in no hurry.

I don 't mind; its painless.
I wonder what thay r going to do about explosive underwear ?





David
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Mame
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:39 pm
@djjd62,
Thanks, dj - interesting!

Linkat, any idea why they're getting so much more invasive in their searches?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:41 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

Thanks, dj - interesting!

Linkat, any idea why they're getting so much more invasive in their searches?
explosive underwear ?

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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:42 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

What was the upshot, besides a divorce?


the upshot is that they won't give you information about your husband's phone bill or record as it is in his name

seriously

that was an expensive law suit to defend
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:43 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:
Did that lawsuit involve a married couple and both their cell phone bills being sent to the husband? Because I think I heard about that. She was calling her boyfriend?


yeah - and the phone company thought it wouldn't be a big deal (in fact, did it so they would get the benefit of some kind of family plan) to change her account billing information to his address

brilliant
Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:49 pm
@Mame,
I forget when it started - put I remember reading about it. I think I even posted a thread on the new invasive pat downs.
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Mame
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:50 pm
@ehBeth,
I'm going to have to get him to add my name as a contact. He's away far too much to handle whatever comes up.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 12:52 pm
@Mame,
Here is the link - it was toward the end of the summer.

http://able2know.org/topic/160488-1
Mame
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 01:09 pm
@Linkat,
hey, thanks. wow, those trucks are scary!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 01:25 pm
Quote:
DO YOU THINK THIS WOMAN DESERVED A PAT DOWN?
People don 't get pats down because thay DESERVE them,
like winners at the Olympics. Thay get searched in the execise
of the other passengers' right of self-defense and the owner
of the plane's right of self-defense.





David
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 02:47 pm
@Francis,
Quote:
I certainly can. But it's maybe just because my imagination is boundless...


Could you develop your ideas for us. I'm sure we are all interested in getting bureaucratic systems off our backs without it impinging on the general fun. I am.

Francis
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 03:01 pm
@spendius,
I'm not sure it would interest many A2Kers, let alone all.

But just consider that the more police around, the more people are scared, although the police is supposed to protect them..

Same kind of reaction with bureaucratic systems..
Sglass
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 03:20 pm
Recently a friend of mine was arrested at the Hilo, HI Airport for possession of pot,.legal , for which she has a medical marijunan card. She was in a wheelchair with a broken leg, diabetic and she was on her way to a specialist in Honolulu. The TSA called local law enforcement to arrest her and she was subjected to a pat down.

I think most folks realize that Hawaii is scattered over numerous islands, but the TSA ruling is that qualified medical marijuana users cannot transport pot interisland even though it is their medicine. The lady in question is a very high profile Red Cross nurse and very well liked.

What can I say, the good old USofA has become nothing but a police state.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 04:24 pm
@Sglass,

There shoud be a law against collaborating with a government.
Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 04:26 pm
@Sglass,
Sglass wrote:
I think most folks realize that Hawaii is scattered over numerous islands, but the TSA ruling is that qualified medical marijuana users cannot transport pot interisland even though it is their medicine. The lady in question is a very high profile Red Cross nurse and very well liked.

Well, I can see the logic of this. Pot may be legal under Hawaii law, but it's still illegal under US law. You can't blame the TSA, an agency of the US government, for applying US law.

This practice, I'm sorry to say, is firmly grounded in Supreme Court precedent. Beginning with the 1942 case of Wickard v. Filburn, the Court expanded the concept of "interstate commerce" to surreal extremes. Today, federal law can't just criminalize you for inter-island trafficking of pot within Hawaii. It reaches you even when you grow pot in your own basement, purely for your own consumption. Even if the plants never leave your house, they might. And under the Supreme Court's super-stretched concept of interstate commerce, that's enough to give the feds the power to arrest you. (The case is Gonzalez v. Raich and was decided in 2004.)
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 04:30 pm
@Francis,
I don't know whether it is true or not but the general feeling here is that bureaucracies are much more invasive in Europe than in the UK. We are not required to carry ID.

Whenever police numbers are reduced, as is supposed to be happening now with the very large government spending cuts, there is an outcry. Most people want to see more police. And, as you know, our police are not armed in the normal course of events. Bribes to officials are almost unknown.

But the general point I made that large bureaucracies are necessary to run complex industrial societies is valid.

In the circumstances in the US, and to a lesser extent here, I don't know what people who control security at airports are supposed to do if some of the views expressed on this thread make any sense. Some posters seem to want safe travel but at no inconvenience to themselves despite the threat that is known to exist. And they object to profiling because it is discriminatory. If the TSA exists with a task to do I can't see what the objections are about.

I presume you have heard of the medical procedure for entry into the British military. The "drop 'em, cough, you're in" procedure. Before the "cough" the MO gripped the scrotum. Not too tightly. And with equal opportunities in operation it might be a lady MO. It wasn't in my case unfortunately.



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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 04:32 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
There shoud be a law against collaborating with a government.


Got the sillies on again Dave have you?
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2010 04:50 pm
@IRFRANK,
Quote:
Ignore the threats and proceed without increased security?


Stop the threats cold by having the US government keep its meddling nose and its criminal behavior out of other countries affairs.
 

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