DO YOU THINK THIS WOMAN DESERVED A PAT DOWN?

Don't bother with aidan, Mame, it's not worth it!
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How awful and frightening this must have been for the boy to be surrounded
by so many TSA officers and for all passengers to see in broad view what was
happening. Where the hell were his parents in this? I would sue their (TSA) asses off.

segue; on July 23, 1952, I was flying with my parents on Camel Airline DC 3 from Dhahran Saudi Arabia on our way to the USA. We landed in Cairo Egypt for re-fueling and a meal. The stairway/ramp was rolled out to the plane guarded by heavily armed soldiers who escorted all of us into a baggage room of the airport where we spend the entire night guarded by the armed soldiers, no food, no beds, no nothing. The next morning more troops arrived and escorted all of us from the lockup back to the DC 3 where we boarded and flew on to Rome Italy. Arriving in Rome we ate and read the morning papers only to learn that we had just been through a CIA inspired coup d'état against King Farouk led by Gamal Abdel Nasser supported by the Free Officers Movement. The CIA codename for the coup was "Operation Fat Pig."

You don't think it's a little over the top to have three agents surrounding a 6 yr old (and his dad) and have his shirt removed??

That would piss me off. Slight over-reaction on their part. What, you can't tell from patting (or even looking!) a skinny little kid on the outside that he doesn't have explosives? They couldn't have just lifted up his shirt? Did they do this to his dad, too, I wonder, or are they just doing it to kids?

Completely stupid and ridiculous!

DENVER (Nov. 21) -- It's a special kind of underwear - with a strategically placed fig leaf design - and a Colorado man says it'll get you through the airport screeners with your dignity intact.

Jeff Buske says his invention uses a powdered metal that protects people's privacy when undergoing medical or security screenings.

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A variety of the Rocky Flats Gear's radiation shielding underwear is shown.
Buske of Las Vegas, Nev.-Rocky Flats Gear says the underwear's inserts are thin and conform to the body's contours, making it difficult to hide anything beneath them. The mix of tungsten and other metals do not set off metal detectors.

The men's design has the fig leaf, while the one for women comes in the shape of clasped hands.

It's unclear whether it would lead to an automatic, more intrusive pat down by federal Transportation Security Administration officials

Wow, what an experience Dys. Were you traumatised>

no, I was hungry though.

Jim Norton (comedian and recently voted Sweetest Boy for the 3rd year running) weighs in on the debate

I am sick of ******* baby Americans obsessed with their genitals being seen by the TSA. Prudish assholes. I love my cock being X-Rayed!

No I don't see a thing wrong with it.
From what I could see, the 3 people seemed to be standing around him to help shield his shameful nudity from view.

It wasn't like they gathered around from all areas of the airport to feel this little guy up.
They were obviously people who worked in that area. The kid was the only person being screened, and they were just standing around.
I didn't seem them converging on him.

Yeah, they probably should have just looked up his shirt, I'll give you that.

But, since the kid hangs out at the beach or pool without a shirt on, I don't find that pornographic or anything.

The dad muttering at the end something like "waste of time".

I'm sure the employee was thinking "why thank you sir, that's only the 5000th time today I've been muttered at.

To tell you the truth, if I were standing in line, waiting to get scanned or searched, and the person next to me started in the complaints, I would look them straight in the eye and say "Would you just be quiet and leave me alone? I really don't want you hear your bitching."

We'll just have to disagree on this. I think the guy with the camera muttered that.

This is why I'd go through the scanner. Far less invasive. I really don't like strangers touching me.

that's cool mame, that's what makes us so facinating.

I thought what people were also complaining about was that they don't want to be patted down, and they also don't want to be scanned. Hence the conundrum

I too would be scanned.

Chai and Mame,
TSA has posted something about the incident:



Emphasis was added by me.

Thanks, that clarifies things, wal, I mean wandel

ATLANTA – The nation's airport security chief pleaded with Thanksgiving travelers for understanding and urged them not to boycott full-body scans on Wednesday, lest their protest snarl what is already one of the busiest, most stressful flying days of the year.

Transportation Security Administration chief John Pistole said Monday that such delaying actions would only "tie up people who want to go home and see their loved ones."

"We all wish we lived in a world where security procedures at airports weren't necessary," he said, "but that just isn't the case."

He noted the alleged attempt by a Nigerian with explosives in his underwear to bring down a plane over Detroit last Christmas.

Despite tough talk on the Internet, there was little if any indication of a passenger revolt Monday at many major U.S. airports, with very few people declining the X-ray scan that can peer through their clothes. Those who refuse are subject to a pat-down search that includes the crotch and chest.

Many travelers said that the scans and the pat-down were not much of an inconvenience, and that the stepped-up measures made them feel safer and were, in any case, unavoidable.

"Whatever keeps the country safe, I just don't have a problem with," Leah Martin, 50, of Houston, said as she waited to go through security at the Atlanta airport.

At Chicago's O'Hare Airport, Gehno Sanchez, a 38-year-old from San Francisco who works in marketing, said he doesn't mind the full-body scans. "I mean, they may make you feel like a criminal for a minute, but I'd rather do that than someone touching me," he said.

A loosely organized Internet campaign is urging people to refuse the scans on Wednesday in what is being called National Opt-Out Day. The extra time needed to pat down people could cause a cascade of delays at dozens of major airports, including those in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Atlanta.

"Just one or two recalcitrant passengers at an airport is all it takes to cause huge delays," said Paul Ruden, a spokesman for the American Society of Travel Agents, which has warned its more than 8,000 members about delays. "It doesn't take much to mess things up anyway."

More than 400 imaging units are being used at about 70 airports. Since the new procedures began Nov. 1, 34 million travelers have gone through checkpoints and less than 3 percent are patted down, according to the TSA.

At the White House, press secretary Robert Gibbs said the government is "desperately" trying to balance security and privacy and will take the public's concerns and complaints into account as it evaluates the new, more stringent boarding checks.

The American Civil Liberties Union has received more than 600 complaints over three weeks from passengers who say they were subjected to humiliating pat-downs at U.S. airports, and the pace is accelerating, according to ACLU legislative counsel Christopher Calabrese.

"It really drives home how invasive it is and unhappy they are," he said.

Ricky D. McCoy, a TSA screener and president of a union local in Illinois and Wisconsin, said the atmosphere has changed in the past two weeks for officers in his region. Since word of the pat-downs hit the headlines, officers have been punched, pushed or shoved six times after they explained what would be happening, McCoy said.

"We have major problems because basically TSA never educated the public on what was going on," he said. "Our agency pretty much just threw the new search techniques out there."

Stories of alleged heavy-handed treatment by TSA agents captured people's imagination.

A bladder cancer survivor from Michigan who wears a bag that collects his urine said its contents spilled on his clothing after a security agent at a Detroit airport patted him down roughly.

Tom Sawyer, a 61-year-old retired special education teacher, said the Nov. 7 experience left him in tears. "I was absolutely humiliated. I couldn't even speak," he told MSNBC.com.

During an appearance on CBS, the TSA's Pistole expressed "great concern over anybody who feels like they have not been treated properly or had something embarrassing" happen.

Late Monday, Sawyer said Pistole called him to apologize and Sawyer accepted.

A video showing a shirtless young boy resisting a pat-down at Salt Lake City's airport has become a YouTube sensation and led to demands for an investigation from Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, an outspoken critic of TSA screening methods. The video of the unidentified boy was shot Friday by a bystander with a cell phone.

The TSA said in a blog posting that nobody has to disrobe at an airport checkpoint apart from removing shoes and jackets. According to the TSA, the boy was being searched because he triggered an alarm inside a metal detector, and his father removed the youngster's shirt to speed up the screening.

"That's it. No complaints were filed and the father was standing by his son for the entire procedure," said the posting by "Blogger Bob" of the TSA Blog Team.

The boycott campaign was launched Nov. 8 by Brian Sodergren, who lives in Ashburn, Va., and works in the health care industry.

"I just don't think the government has the right to look under people's clothes with no reasonable cause, no suspicion other than purchasing a plane ticket," he said in an interview with The Associated Press.

He said he has no idea how many passengers plan to opt out, but added: "I am absolutely amazed at the response and how people have taken to it. I never would have predicted it. I think it hit a nerve."

In the meantime, security lines appeared to move briskly at many airports.

Frank Bell, 71, of Norfolk, Conn., said he took off his shoes and passed through a scanner at New York's Kennedy Airport — and wasn't even sure whether it was one of the full-body machines.
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AP reported 10 minutes ago that a passenger had bren patted down at OHare.

Dear Rest-of-America: Stop Freaking Out At The TSA, You Divas. (or "Shut Up, I Have a Flight to Catch.")By Foster Kamer, Mon., Nov. 22 2010 @ 4:50PM Comments (3) Categories: Airports, Dear Rest-of-America, Epic Rants, Featured, Foster Kamer, TSA, Travel
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​Yes, we're all for excited for the government subsidized handjobs many of us are about to receive courtesy the TSA during our holiday travels. And by excited, we mean: "preemptively traumatized, and preemptively pissed." But do you ever imagine how the TSA screeners themselves feel?

As it turns out, one of them blogged about these exact feelings!

A travel blog called Flying With Fish looked into the matter, and found that:

Out of 20 TSA agents contacted by the blog, all 17 who responded were at airports with the new screening measures in place.
Of those 17 respondents, all of them unanimously "do not like the new pat downs and that they do not want to perform them."
Furthermore, all 17 respondents reported their "morale being broken down."
Finally, "more than one" of them think it's likely that they're "they are more uncomfortable performing the pat down than passengers are receiving them."
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Some of the choicer quotes? Well, they don't like to deal with The Fatties:

"It is not comfortable to come to work knowing full well that my hands will be feeling another man's private parts, their butt, their inner thigh. Even worse is having to try and feel inside the flab rolls of obese passengers and we seem to get a lot of obese passengers!"
....and they're just doing their jobs:

"I am a professional doing my job, whether I agree with this current policy or not, I am doing my job. I do not want to be here all day touching penises."
And you, America, are making their lives hell:

"Molester, pervert, disgusting, an embarrassment, creep. These are all words I have heard today at work describing me, said in my presence as I patted passengers down. These comments are painful and demoralizing, one day is bad enough, but I have to come back tomorrow, the next day and the day after that to keep hearing these comments. If something doesn't change in the next two weeks I don't know how much longer I can withstand this taunting. I go home and I cry. I am serving my country, I should not have to go home and cry after a day of honorably serving my country."

​On one hand, how can you not have compassion for these individuals? They really are just doing their jobs, and their jobs right now might be The Very Worst Jobs In America. On the other hand, if you keep giving them hell America, maybe they'll all just up-and-quit! Many of the comments on the Flying With Fish post note that these guys should "put their money where their mouth is" and do something about it.


​Yes! That's the spirit! Protest! We all know how great a job walk-off would be in the middle of holiday travel season for you and for your economy. For the record, it wouldn't be.

Maybe the issue is that -- with all the various controversies and horror stories about children being felt up and parents freaking out and flight attendants who are cancer survivors having to take out their prosthetics -- these guys didn't recieve enough training, or that our government -- it all of its arrogance -- didn't think they'd have a Customer Relations issue on their hands. It's not these people's fault! Get a grip, traveling Americans. Direct your ire towards this guy:


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That's John S. Pistole, who's the head administrator of the TSA, sworn in this last July. If there's a buck to be passed, he's where it stops. He is also the one who has to deal with reports of private security companies being more effective at security screening than government agents. Of course, many of these reports may originate from the congressional representatives advocating for these companies to take the TSA's place who are (of course) taking donations from said companies, but that's another story.

America, get your **** together and buck up. This is a complex problem that lacks an easy solution. You freaking out at the airport -- regardless of how violated you do or don't feel -- isn't going to make anything better for anyone. Contact your congressional representatives! Do something that will actually make a difference. But whatever you do, do NOT mess with my holiday travel plans. I have an airport bar to get to, and when I get there, I will drink away the trauma of having my cock grabbed by an equally uncomfortable stranger, and then channel this fury into calls and letters forcing the elected officials I appointed to do their jobs into actually doing their jobs. For the moment, though, all of us -- you, me, and TSA screeners -- are going through variations of the same hell. Don't make it worse.

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He failed to note that there are millions of innocents murdered by the USA that never get to "go home and see their loved ones". He wishes for a world where security procedures weren't necessary. Simple, have his employer stop terrorizing all these countries around the world.

Really simple, have his employer bring all the thousands upon thousands of war criminals walking the street of America to justice. The world would be so impressed. Those who are now sacrificing their lives to mount terrorist attacks upon the US would have no need for such ventures.

That doesn't make the whole situation any less ridiculous. A ******* six year old boy needs extra screening. Why? Because there was a rumor about kids in elementary school making bombs and that ever vigilant Homebody Security Agency has risen to the cause.

Next, remember all that visqueen that the HSA had y'all buy to seal up your house from a terrorist gas attack? Soon they'll be recommending that you take a big piece with you on your flight so that if a bomb does get on a plane, gotta watch them elementary school kids, y'all can use your plastic sheets to parachute to the ground.

What a major clusterfuck! Can't y'all hear the chortling from the ME, SE Asia, Nicaragua, Guatemala, ... .

So far, ‘opt out’ fizzles today
Travelers stick to naked scans
By Jessica Heslam and Marie Szaniszlo
Wednesday, November 24, 2010 - Updated 1 hour ago


E-mail Print (149) Comments Text size Share Buzz up!Logan International Airport is packed today and most travelers appear to be lining up for naked body scans over the touchy pat-downs, so far shunning a national call to "opt out" of the electronic sweep.

"I don’t want anyone to touch me," said 20-year-old Onie Momoh, a Dartmouth College student flying home today.

She was one of hundreds of people lined up for the scans as the Thanksgiving rush begins. But it may be too early to call the "opt out" a dud.

“I was going to opt out because I was concerned about radiation, but then I heard it was less than what you’re exposed to with a dental X-ray,” said Holly LeCraw, 44, of Newton. “I’m more concerned about pat-downs for my kids.”

Others said the scan just appears the lesser of two evils.

“I’ve gone through the screening before, and it feels a little weird, having to hold your hands up and knowing someone can see an image of your body,” Michelle McGrath, 29, of Boston said on her way to Annapolis today. “I’m not crazy about it, but I’m not overly concerned.”

A national movement to “opt out” of the head-to-toe sweeps did have a few travelers mulling pat-downs last night.

“This is me taking my own stance,” said Boston University freshman Kira Cole, who said she was “creeped out” by the full-body scanners when she went through them in July. “I’d rather take my chances with a pat-down.”

Dorchester activist Mark O’Connor said he’ll be at Logan today urging travelers to get the “lesser of two evils” pat-down and warning them of the “dangers” of full-body scans.

“If it’s powerful enough to see through your clothes, it couldn’t be healthy,” said O’Connor, who hopes Hub travelers “stand up” for themselves.

O’Connor, 33, said he plans to take his video camera to the Hub airport and ask people whether they prefer to be “radiated” or “groped.” The video blogger will post reactions to his YouTube channel, WeAreChangeBoston.

Massport spokesman Phil Orlandella said Logan officials have been preparing for today’s national “opt out” day since rumblings of it began over a week ago.

“We’re ready for it. There’s additional manpower on. We’re prepared for anything that can happen. We don’t think anything serious is going to happen,” Orlandella said.

U.S. Sen. John Kerry said he wants to review the security changes.

“I refuse to accept the notion that we can’t keep people safe without undermining our civil liberties,’’ Kerry said.

Yes, please Senator Kerry, please review and let us know what our civil rights are in a time of "High Tech Invasion"

He is just feeling attention starvation. His vagueness is startling.

Man Sues TSA, Claims Pat-Down Violates His RightsUpdated: 22 hours 51 minutes ago
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AOL News (Nov. 24) -- An Arkansas man is taking the Transportation Security Administration to court, claiming new screening searches violate the Constitution.

Robert Dean filed a federal lawsuit in Little Rock this week, even though the city's airport doesn't have the new scanners that have sparked outrage across the country. Dean's suit asks for a federal ban against the machines and full-body searches.

On a recent trip to Chicago, Dean claims that being subjected to a full-body scan and being patted down by TSA personnel harmed his "emotional, psychological and mental well-being," The Associated Press reported.

The security agency said it does not comment on pending litigation, according to the AP.

"Filing for an injunction will stop these types of invasive measures until we can get a ruling on the constitutionality of this," Dean said, according to FOX 16 TV in Arkansas.

The invasive procedures violate the Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, Dean says.

"The physical aspects of it weren't that traumatic," he said of his experience in Chicago. "I think it's the thought of somebody sitting behind a screen looking at your naked body doing these examinations," he told KTHV TV in Little Rock.
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Was wondering how long it would be until someone filed a 4th amend. suit.