DO YOU THINK THIS WOMAN DESERVED A PAT DOWN?

she made her choice

the consequences are on her

Select your battles (with some care).

The airport is not a wise choice of where to wave the flag of freedom.

MY applied technique is unlimited co-operation.





David

yeah and someone at TSA got a cheap thrill for patting down a lady's boobs.

That 's better than a Moslem getting a cheap thrill by taking down a plane.

well that lady is a journalist, maybe she did pick her battle intentionally.

that's just a stupid comment

I see; she has special motivation.

Apparently the new rules are this:

If you opt out of the scanner, you are required to get a fairly intimate frisk. You can't just say, "no I'm not flying today" and leave.

And these rules apply to children over 12 as well.

Y not ????

Do you recognize the total insanity of the situation? The full body scan is supposed to be able to detect if a person has concealed explosives inside their body, but once a person rejects such a scan even an intimate pat down will not reveal explosives inside the body.

Any terrorist with the IQ of ambient summer temperatures in Antarctica, who actually has explosives tucked inside his body would reject a total body scan and instead accept a non-invasive search.

So the offer to do a pat down instead of the total body scan does NOTHING to affect safety. So the purpose is not to secure safety.

Instead, the process is intended to desensitize the population to random government searches and bodily control.

Are you serious – Michelle McPhee was patted down? On thing is for sure we ain't heard the end of that knowing her. I’ve heard her from time to time on the news. She must have pissed some one off – quite honestly I wouldn’t doubt that she was “selected randomly” because she spoke the truth about what boneheads the TSA are – they probably figured they’d show her.

I am traveling next month for work and have heard so many horror stories about this now. The full body scanners and pat downs that I no longer want to travel by plane. I think this may be the last time in a while I do so. I’ve heard about intrusive patting down of children. I’ve heard many people are worried about the radiation effects on children and pregnant women in regard to the full body scanner so they opt out and instead get abused by the full pat down. In the mean time, cargo goes unchecked. Guess what the most recent terrorist threat was – cargo.

David my son's wife travels extensively because of her business.

Shortly before 9-11 she was flying back to Denver and her seating companion was from the mideast. He went into a rant about something terrible was going to happen in the US and that the US was going to pay for their meddling in the mideastl. She complained and her seat was changed.

Her traveling companion was one of the gentlemen that helped take down Twin Towers.

Sea

The point of terrorism is not so much to kill, but to instigate fear and loss of freedom. No one should ever doubt that the terrorists have won. They could not have been so victorious without the full cooperation from our own government and people.

YES absolutely right.

Sexual Touching Mandated by Government
Posted Wednesday, November 17, 2010, at 8:34 AM


It has disturbed me greatly the new situation that travelers are having to face at airports. Passsengers are faced with having a full body scan that will show them completely nude on a screen for strangers (TSA officers)to look at as they search for possible terrorist bombs. If you refuse to go through, then you are taken to another area to be "patted-down". This pat down includes touching (repeatly) the private genitals.
I listened to a man who was getting a physical search. The Security guard explained that he would be taking his hand up the inner leg up to the groin area and back down the other leg. He said that he would do this once in front and again from the back. The man stated that he was fine with the legs but to not touch his "junk". Immediatedly, the guard told the man that based on his statement he would need to get a manager. Female manager arrives to explain the process of the pat-down. Again, the man states that he will not allow anyone to touch him in his private area, "that I only allow my wife and doctor touch" and when told he had to allow it, the man stated that this was a sexual assault. The female manager told him that it was mandated by the federal government. "So you are telling me that what would be considered an illegal sexual molestationn anywhere in this country, is now okay because the federal government has mandated it?" The TSA manager said, "Yes. If you want to fly today, you must allow the search." The man refused to allow the TSA to touch his "junk" and was escorted out of the airport. Case closed.

Another report: A female is traveling with her two little girls and she doesn't want to have the girls go through the body scan. They are taken to another area where a MALE TSA officer proceeds to give a "pat-down" to the mother. I listened as she explained how this male touched her breast exactly like a Doctor giving an exam for lumps; and being touched in her private area between her legs! As if this wasn't enough of an assault on this woman, the little girls were also touched in the same manner. The woman was furious that a TSA man could do what he did legally when the exact situation outside, anywhere in this country would be illegal and a sex crime!

This is very disturbing to me and many others who are voicing their disgust on radio, TV and newspapers. Woman, men and children are now being subjected to molestations in the name of national security. Is this what we have come to? In the name of political correctness or whatever you want to call it, it is wrong to "profile" or "target" any specific person, so we must all be subjected to this disgusting molesting. In the name of all that good and holy, how can this be allowed? There are stories all over the country. Do you think that this is crazy?


"TSA Administrator John Pistole told a Senate panel Tuesday that the measures are a balance between privacy and security." (NPR.com) And later Pristole's statement about the discomfort that people feel..."If you have two planes getting ready to depart and one, you say, everybody has been thoroughly screened on this plane, and you can either go on that plane or another plane where we have not done a thorough screening because people did not feel comfortable with that, I think most if not all of the traveling public will say, 'I want to go on that plane that has been thoroughly screened.' "

Balance? Could you stand there and watch as an officer touches your daughter in places that if done any other time, you would have that person arrested? This is not security! This is an offensive violation! I was shocked to see a TSA male putting his hand up the dress and touching a 3 year old toddler! What? A toddler! People need to continue to protest this violation. In the name of common sense, this can't continue. That is my opinion for today.

And you haven't even touched upon the fact that cargo goes onto planes in many cases with passengers, without being searched!

So we check out grandma and 3 year old Betsy with a full body scan or full body pat down, but yet we still have cargo go onto passenger planes without being checked?

Another question - Israel does not do this and they have the best security for their airports. Why don't we model this.

Israel, which prides itself on airport and airplane security, showed off robots and procedures to keep passengers safe. One method has been condemned in other countries — profiling.

Nahum Liss of the Israeli Airports Authority said Israel's heavily fortified international airport is the most protected in the world, speaking as authorities on three continents were investigating cargo bombs intercepted at airports last week in Britain and Dubai.

A confident Liss told about 50 visiting security experts that security procedures at Ben-Gurion International Airport "are built in order to confront this kind of threat."

Israel is known for its stringent airport security, the result of a string of Palestinian attacks on Israeli planes in the 1970s.

Before approaching the ticket counter, passengers are thoroughly questioned by "selectors" who look for travelers who match a suspicious profile.

Liss said that heightened screening of passengers and carry-on luggage in international airports has pushed terror organizations to look for other vulnerable areas to attack at airports. He said many of the world's airports do not properly secure their perimeters.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101102/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_airport_security

On a recent flight I got a pat-down because the scanner was broken. They didn't take me to a room, they did it there. They did not touch my private areas whatsoever. I didn't consider it an assault. And a women did the pat-down, and was very polite about it. Maybe I won't travel to the States if that's the rule rather than the exception.

I am opposed to the new TSA regulations on touching and scanning. I will not be flying while this is a possible outcome of my doing so. Metal detectors should be more then adequate and until I see a case where the TSA actually find something through this far too personal technique of searching.

The best 2 things that have been suggested is an unbreakable door to the cockpit and letting passengers beat the crap out of someone threatening the safety of the plane.

Profiling - OMG!! It'll never happen. Can you say ACLU?

so . . . what is the alternative? No one has suggested how we can ensure our flights are safe from terrorists.