Where was God during the holocaust?

After all, what part of "Thou shalt not murder" is so hard to understand?

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After all, what part of "Thou shalt not murder" is so hard to understand?

In and of itself - as a stand alone statement, it has a simple meaning, but god authorizes the killing of others in certain circumstances. Even the wholesale killing of men, women and children.. That's a conflict in the "ten" commandments. Where's the logic?

1] If Adam and Eve had not sinned, we would not have death, as it was (and is) God's purpose to have the earth populated by humans with the prospect of living forever.

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1] If Adam and Eve had not sinned, we would not have death, as it was (and is) God's purpose to have the earth populated by humans with the prospect of living forever.

That is silly! If Adam and Eve had sex, and that was a sin, why the sex organs?

Also, if man was never to die, this planet wouldn't be capable of handling all the animal kingdom or humans! That's LOGIC.

As for good people dying with pain, that makes no sense whatsoever. Innocent babies and children die of pain that none of us have ever experienced, but that doesn't mean we are not aware of god's sins. If you can chalk that up to god's mysterious ways, you can keep your god.

How does another person's sins impact other innocent humans? Is that justice? NO! That's beyond the sense of justice and logic. A murder cannot be transferred to other people who didn't even know the murderer.

How about deformed babies? Is that how god treats innocent humans? They have done nothing to deserve the penalty of other people's crimes/sins.

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Ah. I was asking if that post was your real opinion or if you were being sarcastic.

I readily direct sarcasm towards the clergy who have misled mankind for centuries. In that respect, I am much like Diderot, who exclaimed. "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."

Anyone claiming to understand the Bible who does not realize Satan's role in world affairs has some hidden agenda, I believe.

Alright, but this is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin when the question is whether or not angels exist. Why should anyone alive today believe a collection of old stories told by Bronze Age nomads?

Bad analogy; humans are not cake pans.

A volcano, tsunami, floods, earthquakes and other "natural" disasters goes beyond a dented cake pan. It kills everybody. It's called nature, not god.

Religions have been responsible for many heinous crimes against humanity. If religion is supposed to be the answer to "go to heaven," it misses on fundamental historical evidence.

What has GW Bush's (a devout christian) war in Iraq and Afghanistan have to do with a dented pan or the devil? It killed tens of thousands of innocent humans - most of another country and religion.

Where's god's love? It doesn't exist.

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Alright, but this is like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin when the question is whether or not angels exist. Why should anyone alive today believe a collection of old stories told by Bronze Age nomads?

Only if there exists enough circumstantial and anecdotal evidence to support faith.

Circumstantial evidence is evidence in which an inference is required to connect it to a conclusion of fact, like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any additional evidence or the intervening inference.
On its own, it is the nature of circumstantial evidence for more than one explanation to still be possible.

The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes. Because of the small sample, there is a larger chance that it may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.[1][2] Anecdotal evidence is considered dubious support of a claim; it is accepted only in lieu of more solid evidence. This is true regardless of the veracity of individual claims.[3][4][5]
The term is often used in contrast to scientific evidence, such as evidence-based medicine, which are types of formal accounts. Some anecdotal evidence does not qualify as scientific evidence because its nature prevents it from being investigated using the scientific method. Misuse of anecdotal evidence is an informal fallacy and is sometimes referred to as the "person who" fallacy ("I know a person who..."; "I know of a case where..." etc. Compare with hasty generalization).

You have coffee?

Where are you? Where? Where?

neologist wrote:

You have coffee?

Where are you? Where? Where?

Even here in South Korea, I have coffee with me just about every waking hour.

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neologist wrote:

You have coffee?

Where are you? Where? Where?

Even here in South Korea, I have coffee with me just about every waking hour.

Rats! To far to go. It will be cold by the time I get there. But if you are ever in the Seattle Washington USA area. Drop by. My treat.

OK. Anecdotal evidence:
I believe it is what Paul referred to n Hebrews 11:1 "Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld."
First thing I noticed: "By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, if YOU have love among yourselves.” (John 13: 35) This is true in my faith. Anywhere in the world that I may go, I will find true brothers and sisters. I've never seen exceptions.
Second thing (And there is much more) The wide chasm between what the Bible teaches and what the clergy has foisted on mankind for centuries. : Immortal soul; hellfire; trinity; to name a few.

True, but humans do pass on their imperfections, do they not?

I'm not sure I see how this fits in.

When you bring up the subject of religion in general, keep in mind you are waving a straw man. I do not intend to defend the clergy who have misled people for centuries. BTW, I don't hope or expect to go to heaven. Man's future is clearly on earth.

Another straw man. Don't ask me to explain Dubya.

If you fault God for suffering, who do you credit for the good life you have led?