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Survivor Nicaragua--Old v. Young

 
 
Roberta
 
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Reply Sun 28 Nov, 2010 03:42 pm
Finally caught up with the recap.

Why did Na take the whole tribe to the wrong place? And then casually get the rice from somewhere else? I think there's something major wrong with that person.

I laughed when Tyrone said that they were building the fire too close to the shelter.
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Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2010 09:31 pm
Anyone surprised?

A few weeks ago, Jeff said that talking to Naonka was like talking to a 7-year old -- that dealing with her was like dealing with a first-grader.

Should those two have been allowed to go to the jury? Part of me thinks they should have just been sent home.

I could tell Jeff was irked when he grilled them on what to do about their torches. They got SMUFFED ...LOL.

Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2010 09:35 pm
@Irishk,
I thought they should have put two of the people on jury back in the game, basically changing places with the quitters.

Naonka is real piece of work, there is something very wrong with her. I really think she is a sociopath. Kelly was just a wimp.

So if they are down two people they are down one episode. The producers must love that Rolling Eyes I wonder if they will skip the next tribal counsel.
Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2010 09:45 pm
@Green Witch,
Alina was crying...and Marty kept saying he really wanted to play, so I kept waiting for Jeff to call Brenda and Alina (?) over once Na and Kelly walked. No idea what they'll do about the next TC.

I agree -- Purple Kelly was just playing copycat to Naonka. She'd probably have stayed if Na had. Heck, she looks 10 times better than Jane does LOL.
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Roberta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2010 11:11 pm
I don't think Na and Purple Kelly should be on the jury. Quitting is quitting. Wonder what the producers will do about too few people left to fill all the scheduled shows.

When they got back from the reward, it was my impression that Na would stay. If it hadn't been raining during tribal council, I think she would have.

I agree that there's something very wrong with her.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 08:17 am
I think they should have let the tribe VOTE one person back into the game. That would have been cool. But the person would have a huge advantage by being rested and well fed.

I can't wait to see what happened at the Ponderosa!

Holly scored major points by giving up the reward in favor of food and shelter. I hope that didn't put a target on her back.
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Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 10:13 am
Jeff Probst offers up a really lame excuse for letting Naonka and Purple Kelly go to the jury. IMO, it's lame because the player he's referencing quit for medical reasons and that doesn't apply to either Na or Kelly (and he knows it!) -- they're just weak.

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Okay, I’m not a lawyer, but it seems to me that there is a bit of an implied contract when you agree to be on Survivor.

On our side, we promise you the adventure of your lifetime. Something you have never experienced before and will probably never experience again. It’s a multi-million dollar, life-changing thrill ride that will test you on every level. We promise, and we always deliver. Always.

In exchange we expect only two things from you: Show up… and play. That’s it. When you fail to do one or both of those requirements you are not living up to your end of the bargain. One might say you are in breach of our implied contract.

That’s my new philosophy regarding quitters on Survivor. You’re breaking your contract. There are certainly exceptions to the rule, such as medical evacuations and family emergencies, but I’m talking about the contestants who just decide they don’t want to play anymore. In this case, Naonka and Purple Kelly.

You’d think that by the time you have gone through the long arduous process of casting, meeting the executives at CBS, suffering through your immunization shots, getting your passport, arranging to leave your life for 39 days, getting on a plane, meeting with the press, and then lasting 28 days to give yourself a 1-in-9 shot at winning a million dollars, that this would be a no-brainer. Of course you’re going to finish; quitting would be foolish, right?

I’m not going to rehash the events of the quit, that’s just a waste of time and space.

I will however mention that when Naonka had the chance to walk away from the reward in exchange for tarp and rice, I truly believed she would do it. I was initially shocked when she didn’t move. Shocked. Naonka had just told everybody she wanted to quit. She knew she would be eating real food and sleeping in a real bed within hours, and all she had to do was stand up and say “It’s the least I can do before I quit.” She would have redeemed herself just a little bit.

But upon reflection I can clearly see that my expectation was flawed. Naonka has been consistently selfish for 28 days, and for her to stand up and suddenly do the “right thing” would not be consistent. Naonka went out the same way she came in, “Looking out for numero uno.”

In addition to not being a lawyer, I’m also not a psychologist, but it never seems to stop me from offering up an opinion. So here’s my take on whether they will regret this later in life:

I don’t think Naonka is going to regret her actions for one moment. I think Naonka has a lot of maturing to do and it doesn’t appear to be coming anytime soon. Quitting Survivor doesn’t make Naonka a bad person in my eyes, it was just disappointing. I’ll be curious to find out the reaction from Naonka’s family at the reunion show.

In the case of Purple Kelly, I think she will learn a lot from this experience and will at some point regret not sticking it out for 11 more days.

When you quit, when you give up and walk away from a task, even though you know you have some gas left in the tank, you are in a sense giving up on yourself. Purple Kelly had a lot of gas left in her tank. She’s a very strong and resilient young woman. Naonka gave her permission to quit and she took it and ran. I have a feeling the next time Purple Kelly is in the same situation she will think a long time before quitting.

JURY
I know a lot of you are angry right now because Naonka and Purple Kelly are allowed to be on the jury, so let me explain.

The reason they will both be members of the jury is because a precedent had already been set back when Janu quit in Survivor: Palau. Janu quit the game but was allowed to be on the jury, so we used the same reasoning with Naonka and Purple Kelly. It wasn’t an emotional decision, just an issue of fairness.

And yes…Marty, Alina and Brenda were very upset when they found out these quitters would still get to have a vote to decide who wins the million dollars.

IMPACT
Naonka and Purple Kelly quitting just blew this game wide open. It’s like we’re starting over. Their quit benefits some and penalizes others. The person who lost the most was Sash. He not only lost Purple Kelly, who would have voted any way he wanted her to, he also lost Naonka and her idol. He could have taken those two to the end with him and probably been a shoo-in for the million dollars. Instead he now must scramble to make something happen, and other than Dan, everybody else is a threat to win the game.

From a show point of view it’s an awesome turn of events. It changed everything and makes for an exciting and unpredictable finish.

Everybody left in the game has a legitimate shot to win.

Everybody except Dan. Dan’s best hope was to go to the final with Naonka and Purple Kelly. Now that they’re gone, I cannot think of a scenario in which Dan could beat anybody to win. This makes Dan a great person to take to the end. The dilemma is going to be who else do you take to the final?

I am not picking on Dan, I actually enjoy Dan quite a bit, and I could be wrong and Dan could win. If he does win, stay glued to your television because there is a very good chance that at the live show, as I read the last “Dan” vote, I will become light-headed and pass out on the CBS stage. Fortunately, Dancing With The Stars tapes nearby, so Tom Bergeron could run over and handle the rest of the reunion show.

Okay, so we are down to seven: Jane, Benry, Fabio, Holly, Sash, Chase, and Dan. There is going to be a lot of scrambling happening from here until the end. Here is my assessment of what each player needs to do:

Chase needs to form an alliance and stick with it.

Fabio, Benry and Jane need to start winning immunity or they are in danger.

Holly needs to keep mothering and nurturing and keep the attention on others.

Sash has the most work to do since his rug has been pulled out from under him.

Dan doesn’t need to do anything; it’s been working for 28 days. Why change?

It looks like we might have an exciting finish….

See ya next week.
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 10:20 am
@Irishk,
I agree - they should not be part of the jury. I can't wait to see the Ponderosa. Unfortunately I will need to wait to view at home - my work PC, I'm having trouble with using headphones on it and I can't turn up the sound at work. And at home, we are having internet problems.

Wonder what those at the Ponderosa will do when they see them? I'd just walk away from them and not say a word.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 10:27 am
@Irishk,
Love the line - Dan doesn't need to do anything - he's been doing that for 28 days!
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boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 10:51 am
Warning: Ponderosa spoiler:











I think Na had the whole quitting thing planned from the beginning. She said something like "I love it here. It's like a vacation. I'm staying in a mansion and it's all free."

I think it was her plan from the beginning to make it as far as the jury, put in a few more days, then have herself a nice 10 day vacation.
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 11:24 am
@boomerang,
I had to look - I wouldn't doubt it and it certainly doesn't surprise me.

The one thing is - did she honestly think she had a shot at making the million if she did make it to the jury like she said?
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 11:30 am
@boomerang,
Shocked Marty needed alcohol to get through it LOL. Alina didn't come around until the second day. I guess Brenda's reaction surprised me the most.

Ponderosa Pt. 1

Ponderosa Pt. 2
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 11:56 am
@Linkat,
Naonka answers your question here -- if you can stand to watch her ... again. She's not only the BEST player ever, she's the SMARTEST.

Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 12:00 pm
@Irishk,
The woman has a chip on her sholder
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 12:03 pm
I can't understand a single thing about this show. It seems like they spend all their time plotting and scheming, instead of, yaknow, heading into the jungle to catch food, making a better camp, et cetera.

Cycloptichorn
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 12:19 pm
@Irishk,
OK, I had to see it - even if I had to twist my body and hold onto the headphone plug to do so.

The one thing I can say about Brenda is .... believe it or not I like her. I didn't so much in the game, but she is sensible, mature and able to let go bygones be bygones. I give her great credit.
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 12:21 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
That is what they edit in - sometimes they show the food gathering, etc. But the scheming is much more interesting than seeing Jane catch a fish.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 12:27 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

That is what they edit in - sometimes they show the food gathering, etc. But the scheming is much more interesting than seeing Jane catch a fish.


Really? I wouldn't think so. Watching the group of people try to survive - actually survive - would be a heck of a lot more interesting to me than endless dialogues about how they can screw others in the group over at the first opportunity.

I'd never get selected for the show, because I'd never do any of that bullshit; I would hunt and fish and work on the camp all day, try my hardest to win every single possible challenge, help everyone I possibly can, and refuse to even discuss who I was voting for - ever. The producers would hate me.

All the plotting and scheming makes me intensely dislike pretty much every character on the show.

Cycloptichorn
Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 12:30 pm
@Linkat,
Yep -- seems there's a Brenda for me on every season. Someone who is not all that likeable to watch but has mad skills at playing the game.

Cy: Gameplay aside, the series is awesome for the locations, scenery and wildlife...all portrayed in high def glory -- plus, I love Jeff Probst; his enthusiasm for all things Survivor is addictive lol.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 2 Dec, 2010 12:32 pm
I don't watch the show, but I watched the clip.

She quit IMO because she was not going to be able to face losing.

now she gets to spin it her way...

(she's not quite right, btw...) Rolling Eyes
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