If you were President...

Why would that be then oh literary master of the English language

Assuming that entity exists and there was a directive

Well there is no point debating any further if you are not prepared to read some supportive evidence for a particular argument

Hypocracy maybe.

Nope! Invading a country ileagally, which we the allies did, only shows the contempt for diplomacy and democracy that leaves this world in such a perilous state.

No, I don't you will get an Amen, nor deserve one.

So, the fact that Bush got re-elected by our democratic system after he invaded Iraq doesn't count? Or did you mean by pre-invasion Iraq when you mentioned 'democracy'? Somebody isn't thinking clearly.

When you operate outside set parameters of decency you become no better than the people you wish to overthrow and liberate, if thar's your intention.

Was the invasion sanctioned and justified? That can be debated forever without a real truth coming to it(we US are not bound by any UN, there is no illegal.). Simple fact is this country has been a sore spot on our world for a very long time. Did we provoke some of it,. maybe so.


It is not the US's job to do this by ourselves. We need the world to rally behind us and do SOMETHING about the places in the world where we still have subjugation of people,.. without rights(and the all around blights on our world.

Then we have to get passed the real reason we are there and the countless lies and proaganda we are fed, no-one believes the Bush administration, never has a government been so mistrusted i would think.

Im not asking for help from the so called UN,. Im asking it from the world. When the ones calling the shots are wrong it is our duty to go above them.



With very few facts,. I will take it at face value.

Because we stepped on a few toes to solve a problem we should be black balled for it? This is not a persoanl thing. There is a problem. The world needs to get together and solve it. Leave the pety BS somewhere behind us.

Lied to by our Governments.

China is a comunist Dictatorship, as is North Korea, why have we not gone to war with them, their human rights are appaling, much worse than Iraqs. If that is your motivation, start with the real threats first.

Or our gov's were mistaken. or mislead.



Well thats a whole other subject. And hard to use as a rebuttal as it would just be us doing more of what you seem to be against. I am torn on that subject. China is appalling to me, but it is not my say. But there are terrorist organizations in this world that need to be dealt with. I have no doubt that invading Iraq has done two things we needed. We have liberated a people(or are working to that end),.. but more importantly we have issued a statement to the world. If you guys want to continue to allow this madness,.. fine. We will not.

You have shown me countless articals and documentries details questionable activities, yet you are here defending the foreign policy, but also questioning it aswell.

What madness was there before 9/11? Really how many attacks?

Again, what is you want a rethink on foreign policy or utopia at the end of a gun.

Firstly, that wasn't the reason for the invasion, WMD's were.

Secondly, the UN, which both our countries are in is a democracy of Nations.

When you operate outside set parameters of decency you become no better than the people you wish to overthrow and liberate, if thar's your intention.

What naivete. No.....the UN is not an international democracy, or at least not one of any great consequence. The powerful rule. Everybody knows that, except you, apparently. Keep fighting to destroy your heritage and nation. Just remember that the barbarians for whom you're slaving will take you to slaughter immediately after you give them full power. You'll deserve it, quite obviously. Ha.:no:

People saying something is,.. does not make it fact.

What naivete. No.....the UN is not an international democracy, or at least not one of any great consequence. The powerful rule. Everybody knows that, except you, apparently. Keep fighting to destroy your heritage and nation. Just remember that the barbarians for whom you're slaving will take you to slaughter immediately after you give them full power. You'll deserve it, quite obviously. Ha.:no:

God forbid we offend the world. Fuckem
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Just a quick question Pino....

Who created the U.N.? Just curious :dunno:

You miss the point I am afraid, in the context of the conversation Piz and I were having we, as you will clearly see by reading the all the posts instead of the last one, were debating the legality of the war and how certain directives were breached who was the governing body and whether it is correct to operate outside of the wishes of the world. We debated the issue with our views, playing devils advocated against on another.

Does the UN work? for a good percentage I believe it does, is it full of Nations with vested intrests spoiling for superiority, of course it is. They are after all politicians.

Not sure what my heritage has to do with this, though you do seem pre-occupied with it at the moment.

Another personal attack was it?