If you were President...

*They* (us) forgot nothing. It was not in *their* (our) best interests to install a democratic government. The government that was there in the first place was, guess what bro, democratically elected.

Again, isn't this one pooch we've already screwed?

looooolz didnot know that , its pretty hard to defend the US isnot it .

And that is one of the things at the root of the world's dislike towards us. We're seen as warmongering conquers for lack of better words. Nobody likes that.

The world understood why we were opening a 55 gallon drum of whoopass on Afghanistan. Nobody ever disagreed on that. However when we pointed our guns at Iraq and started dishing out this shaky evidence, the world scratched it's collective head and went "Wha???" Our evidence turned out to be less than credible. Ask any nuclear physicist and they will tell you that the materials Saddam had could not be used to enrich uranium (I am referring to the 'tubes' and such). The 'mobile bio labs'... they turned out to be wheeled crop dusters. Looking at things other than the famous 'sixteen words' from the President's SoTU speech, hardly any of that was found. The bio and chemical weapons were so old and beyond their expiration date that they probably found a six pack of Crystal Pepsi hanging around there somewhere. Those weapons have a short shelf life, giving to the general belief that they're usually gonna be used shortly after they are made.

Don't get me wrong. I love my country, but damnit... we ***ed up. We really did. The only thing we can do now is fix it the best we can, and learn from past mistakes.

However when we pointed our guns at Iraq and started dishing out this shaky evidence,

Our evidence turned out to be less than credible.

Ask any nuclear physicist and they will tell you that the materials Saddam had could not be used to enrich uranium

We the baddest mofo's on the planet, period. Ain't asking for acceptance or forgiveness.

So Sab, when did Iraq start for you? According to history, we aimed our guns at him when he invaded Kuwait. The shaky evidence was his troops standing in Kuwait
Didn't every bodys, and i do mean "everybodys"?No ask that same physicist if what we did find, could kill people?

We the baddest mofo's on the planet, period. Ain't asking for acceptance or forgiveness.

So Sab, when did Iraq start for you? According to history, we aimed our guns at him when he invaded Kuwait.

The shaky evidence was his troops standing in Kuwait

Didn't every bodys, and i do mean "everybodys"?

No ask that same physicist if what we did find, could kill people?

When we put him into power.

When we went into Kuwait, we had the world's backing. Just like with Afghanistan, they understood fully well why we were cranking that can opener.

Again, the "bio labs" and yellowcake thing got blown so out of proportion it was like a rumor that got circulated through a high school.

Saddam had no capabilities to strike America

No nukes,

no desire to build them.

*THAT* is a threat to us? How is that level of technology even a remote threat to THIS country?

Why do you need the worlds approval to act on your own behalf? We are a dominant country with the will to impose our military to secure our national interests worldwide. We need not ask anyones approval.

So.Just because we didn't find any doesn't mean there were none there.

So what do you call shooting at our planes in the no fly zone?

When was this?

Why do you need the worlds approval to act on your own behalf?

We are a dominant country with the will to impose our military to secure our national interests worldwide. We need not ask anyones approval.

Oh the Valerie Plame, the sercret agent who turned out to me a secretary who got her husband a gig in Niger to socialize in innuendo, come back to claim Cheney sent him, turn out it was his wife, and then there was that infamous report nobody saw? The shame having to recant he whole story in front of Congress of face prison, he soon fessed up.

On a side note. There are two things that come out of Niger that are exported. Camels and yellowcake. What do you think high Iraqi brass were there buying?

The British report was never disproven? You know something nobody else does?

So.

Just because we didn't find any doesn't mean there were none there.

You're really reaching now.

So what do you call shooting at our planes in the no fly zone?

He really liked observing that surrender agreement he signed did he. He wasn't much for the IAEA either. Those two things alone are reason enough to get your ass whupped again. And alas he did.

The world is definitely a better place without Scumbag Saddam Hussein. :thumbup:

The Sixties. We didn't flat out install him, however it's no secret that we may have... "assisted".



Ummm... being part of that world, it's usually a good idea to seek approval from it.



Yet we force everyone else to get that same approval. Why? Because at that point, the USA be comes part of "the world" that aye's or nay's it. Then the shoe's on the other foot, isn't it?

China's a pretty *** dominant country, and ho-boy do they have the will to impose some military for their national interests. So... no approval needed for them? Cool! OOOOOH! RUSSIA!!! They're dominant! I guess Pootie-tang was in the clear when he started lining up missiles. I mean, they're protecting their interests worldwide. Military? Usually who uses missiles. Approval? Naah, let it ride!



Wow, hanging another hard right. When did Valerie come into this? More importantly, how does this change the evidence presented for the war? Does what happened when someone pissed off the good ol boys alter ANY of the evidence used to go to war in Iraq?

Regardless of what happened (links would be nice BTW), the evidence is unchanged. Fake bio labs and overblown WMD claims intact. Funny how you didn't even try to debate this, instead moving the goalposts.




I'm gonna have to say... camels. There wasn't any yellowcake to be found, now was there? Whole ****load of camels in that part of town though.



Is this a running trend on this side of the game??? Seriously, ALWAYS asking to "disprove" something, as if it were magically the truth once it was written. The British report was repeatedly shown to be false, as no yellowcake was ever purchased.



Then where was this great threat to America? Where's the mushroom cloud shaped smoking gun? Where are the weapons he was gonna use to attack our country?

Are you conceding that Iraq was not a threat to this country?



Really, now? That's hilarious! Belief in nonexistent things seems to be a running trend too. How odd.

A cop pulls you over on the suspicion that you are moving a few bricks of weed. He then proceeds to search your car and trunk, only to find nothing. He arrests you on possession with intent, basing his arrest on a phone call three and a half years ago that sounded like you were trying to score a bag from your buddy Jake. You tell him you never bought weed, never had any in your trunk.

His response: "Just because we didn't find any doesn't mean there were none there."

I guess you'd smile and say the system works, right?



Just because we didn't find any doesn't mean there were none there.

Just because we didn't find any doesn't mean there were none there.

Just because we didn't find any doesn't mean there were none there.


Who's reaching?



Conflict. Isn't that what we call it when we fire at an enemy without going to war?



Again, moving the goalposts. What threat was he to *THIS* country right here. What attacks could he have made on this chunk of land sticking out of the water?

The Sixties. We didn't flat out install him, however it's no secret that we may have... "assisted".

Ummm... being part of that world, it's usually a good idea to seek approval from it.

Yet we force everyone else to get that same approval. Why? Because at that point, the USA be comes part of "the world" that aye's or nay's it. Then the shoe's on the other foot, isn't it?

China's a pretty *** dominant country, and ho-boy do they have the will to impose some military for their national interests. So... no approval needed for them? Cool! OOOOOH! RUSSIA!!! They're dominant! I guess Pootie-tang was in the clear when he started lining up missiles. I mean, they're protecting their interests worldwide. Military? Usually who uses missiles. Approval? Naah, let it ride!

Wow, hanging another hard right. When did Valerie come into this?

Regardless of what happened (links would be nice BTW),

I'm gonna have to say... camels. There wasn't any yellowcake to be found, now was there?

Is this a running trend on this side of the game??? Seriously, ALWAYS asking to "disprove" something, as if it were magically the truth once it was written. The British report was repeatedly shown to be false, as no yellowcake was ever purchased.

A cop pulls you over on the suspicion that you are moving a few bricks of weed.

He arrests you on possession with intent,

He arrests you on possession with intent,

Conflict. Isn't that what we call it when we fire at an enemy without going to war?

Again, moving the goalposts. What threat was he to *THIS* country right here. What attacks could he have made on this chunk of land sticking out of the water?

Why? We answer to no one.

And that is one of the things at the root of the world's dislike towards us. We're seen as warmongering conquers for lack of better words. Nobody likes that.

The world understood why we were opening a 55 gallon drum of whoopass on Afghanistan. Nobody ever disagreed on that. However when we pointed our guns at Iraq and started dishing out this shaky evidence, the world scratched it's collective head and went "Wha???" Our evidence turned out to be less than credible. Ask any nuclear physicist and they will tell you that the materials Saddam had could not be used to enrich uranium (I am referring to the 'tubes' and such). The 'mobile bio labs'... they turned out to be wheeled crop dusters. Looking at things other than the famous 'sixteen words' from the President's SoTU speech, hardly any of that was found. The bio and chemical weapons were so old and beyond their expiration date that they probably found a six pack of Crystal Pepsi hanging around there somewhere. Those weapons have a short shelf life, giving to the general belief that they're usually gonna be used shortly after they are made.

Don't get me wrong. I love my country, but damnit... we ***ed up. We really did. The only thing we can do now is fix it the best we can, and learn from past mistakes.

So Iran and cuba have to answer to the U.N. and we don't? So Iraq has to answer to us and we have to answer to nobody?


Being a bit hypocritical are we?


I'm pretty sure Iraq felt that didn't have to answer to anybody when they invaded Kuwait...

Tough crap. We're doing the Free World's dirty work. Our critics can kiss off.

You damned straight, Hondo.

Who asked us to do their "dirty work"?

This is the mentality the braught 911 on the US.



I can not believe you can say that , is that the basis on which you justify your countries actions in Iraq , may be there are nukes we just did not find them ??




Those no fly Zones are parts of Iraqi land , just remember that .

This is the mentality the braught 911 on the US.

I can not believe you can say that , is that the basis on which you justify your countries actions in Iraq

may be there are nukes we just did not find them ??

Those no fly Zones are parts of Iraqi land , just remember that

So Iran and cuba have to answer to the U.N. and we don't? So Iraq has to answer to us and we have to answer to nobody?


Being a bit hypocritical are we?


I'm pretty sure Iraq felt that didn't have to answer to anybody when they invaded Kuwait...

So Iran and cuba have to answer to the U.N. and we don't?

So Iraq has to answer to us and we have to answer to nobody?

Being a bit hypocritical are we?

I'm pretty sure Iraq felt that didn't have to answer to anybody when they invaded Kuwait...