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The Lack Of Healthcare Coverage

 
 
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 07:42 am
@kmchugh,
kmchugh;37186 wrote:
First, let?s deal with the silly statistics fed to us by FedUpAmerican. Two of the states he cites as having particularly high populations of uninsured (California and Texas) are also two of the states having the highest population of illegal aliens. Interestingly, FUA fails to point this out. Neither does he offer any statistics which show that, of those uninsured in these states, how many are illegals. Sorry, but I already see illegal immigrants as a drain on our economy. I just can?t support the idea of taxing me further so they have adequate coverage.

Second, FUA offers us the oft-repeated statistic that 45 million Americans are without health care insurance. Wow, that?s a lot! But, looking at the data from the US Census Bureau, and doing a little sixth grade math, it turns out that?s only 15% of our population. Using a little first grade math from there reveals an astounding 85% of our population has health insurance. Now, FUA, please answer a question for me. Can you name any other program, institution, or social condition that covers 85% of our population, yet that we still consider to be a failure? (Well, there is Social Security. But that?s a government run program, so it?s not exactly a ringing endorsement for a government run healthcare system.)

Finally, there is the window in the statistics cited by FUA that he is hoping you don?t look through. ?Lacking healthcare coverage? does not equal ?lacking healthcare.? Law requires all hospitals to provide treatment to all comers, regardless of ability to pay. So healthcare is available.

A nationalized healthcare program would be a disaster of nearly unrivaled proportions. Consider the recently enacted prescription medicine benefit. This benefit covers only Medicare recipients, and as such is really pretty limited in scope. Nonetheless, the program is riddled with problems. To begin with, the program required participants to choose a specific plan. The number and differences among the plans was huge, and many chose plans that were not in their best interest simply because they were confused by the astounding volume of information that had to be digested. I have even spoken with one or two recipients who simply opted not to choose a plan because they felt it was easier to pay for their own medications rather than try to wade through all the options.

On top of that, within the last few months, it has been reported that the program, only a couple of years old, is woefully underfunded. To the point that current estimates state that just to meet the original goals of the program, it will have to be funded at three times the current level. And this is just for a prescription drug plan that is intended to cover only a minority of our population.

No, I don?t think I want the government involved in healthcare at all. And I have not even discussed the all the other problems with such an idea. Problems like the loss of privacy guaranteed us in our health records. Problems like the bureaucratic nightmare that WILL proceed from such a program. Problems like the decline of healthcare providers that such a program will ensure. Problems like the waiting periods, rationing, and loss of autonomy that such a program will ensure.

And let?s not even discuss the silly, erroneous notion that everyone has a ?right? to healthcare, regardless of ability to pay.


Oh, you must be "two" paychecks away from homelessness, to talk out the left side of your mouth....let's pray to God, you never have to go belly up, like the employees of Enron, lose every godd... thing, including your healthcare benefits, and are forced, as millions of Americans are, to fend for themselves in the nightmare world of healthcare, by hook or crook.
FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 07:43 am
@FedUpAmerican,
Such a compassionate bunch.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 07:46 am
@FedUpAmerican,
Heah, be compasionate with your money, not ours.
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FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 07:48 am
@FedUpAmerican,
Tell that to YOUR pussy ass president when he asks for funding for his ILLEGAL OCCUPATION of Iraq.
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kmchugh
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 07:49 am
@FedUpAmerican,
aaronssongs;37189 wrote:
Oh, you must be "two" paychecks away from homelessness, to talk out the left side of your mouth....let's pray to God, you never have to go belly up, like the employees of Enron, lose every godd... thing, including your healthcare benefits, and are forced, as millions of Americans are, to fend for themselves in the nightmare world of healthcare, by hook or crook.


FedUpAmerican;37190 wrote:
Such a compassionate bunch.


Funny. And fairly typical of those who support such an idea. Notice that neither of my detractors has addressed a single point I?ve made. Neither has attempted to demonstrate any flaws in the reasoning. Why? Primarily because I made my arguments from a factual, rather than emotional, basis. Facts being difficult to argue, both fell back on the old standby: If you cannot attack the facts, attack the person providing the facts.

I must just be a heartless b*****d.

By the way, I currently am a professional in the ?nightmare world of healthcare.? Very often, the nightmare isn?t for the populace. It?s the hospitals and healthcare providers that are living the nightmare. Mostly because of folks like you two.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 07:51 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;37189 wrote:
Oh, you must be "two" paychecks away from homelessness, to talk out the left side of your mouth....let's pray to God, you never have to go belly up, like the employees of Enron, lose every godd... thing, including your healthcare benefits, and are forced, as millions of Americans are, to fend for themselves in the nightmare world of healthcare, by hook or crook.


We're not a socialist country. Those Americans who want Big Brother to care for them from cradle to grave need to move to Canada, Europe, North Korea, China, Vietnam or Cuba. See? They have numerous choices. Life's good.Very Happy
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 07:52 am
@FedUpAmerican,
Gotta agree wuth you.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 07:54 am
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;37190 wrote:
Such a compassionate bunch.


Well, Mr. Radio Man, how much of your profits are you willing to fork over to Big Brother to provide healthcare to the poor? Half? Three-quarters? How about all of them? Put a price-tag on your compassion for us. How much of your cash are you willing to give up for this noble cause?
FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 07:55 am
@kmchugh,
kmchugh;37195 wrote:
Funny. And fairly typical of those who support such an idea. Notice that neither of my detractors has addressed a single point I?ve made. Neither has attempted to demonstrate any flaws in the reasoning. Why? Primarily because I made my arguments from a factual, rather than emotional, basis. Facts being difficult to argue, both fell back on the old standby: If you cannot attack the facts, attack the person providing the facts.

I must just be a heartless b*****d.

By the way, I currently am a professional in the ?nightmare world of healthcare.? Very often, the nightmare isn?t for the populace. It?s the hospitals and healthcare providers that are living the nightmare. Mostly because of folks like you two.


You cited opinions not facts. Let's see you sources then we'll talk.

Folks like who? Are you presuming that you know ANYTHING about me???

You claim to be a "professional" in the healthcare industry. In what capacity?

Bedpan cleansing?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 07:57 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;37199 wrote:
Gotta agree wuth you.


Heck, D-Man, they could even move in with Scooby. He'd take good care of them. I think Scooby's good for a free sack of food, a warm place to sleep next to the fireplace, and other free stuff, just about for anybody in need. His Marxist ideals are strong, very strong.
FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 07:58 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;37200 wrote:
Well, Mr. Radio Man, how much of your profits are you willing to fork over to Big Brother to provide healthcare to the poor? Half? Three-quarters? How about all of them? Put a price-tag on your compassion for us. How much of your cash are you willing to give up for this noble cause?


My fair share junior.

Unlike you, CRYING about your diminishing welfare check, I actually care about people. :FU1:

LOL!
FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 08:00 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;37203 wrote:
Heck, D-Man,.


LOL!

I LOVE the terms of endearment you two have for each other.

Are you like Larry Craig and seek boy love in public toilets too?
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 08:02 am
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;37201 wrote:
You cited opinions not facts. Let's see you sources then we'll talk.

Folks like who? Are you presuming that you know ANYTHING about me???

You claim to be a "professional" in the healthcare industry. In what capacity?

Bedpan cleansing?


Very funny, FUA. Very funny. Where's your compassion for hosptial patients who must use bedpans? Is your compassion limited to only those who don't have socially unpleasant maladies? I hope you're never in that position yourself. I consider your outlook cynical and biased beyond recovery. I would never trust any politician of whom you approve. :FU1:
FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 08:05 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;37212 wrote:
Very funny, FUA. Very funny. Where's your compassion for hosptial patients who must use bedpans? Is your compassion limited to only those who don't have socially unpleasant maladies? I hope you're never in that position yourself. I consider your outlook cynical and biased beyond recovery. I would never trust any politician of whom you approve. :FU1:


Nor I would from you.

BTW, Hows that yellow streak down your back coming along?

Thanks for the Texan high five junior.

LOL!!!
wvpeach
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 08:16 am
@FedUpAmerican,
It happens to good people all the time who have worked their entire lives and had their plant close just prior to retirement.

Hard to get a good job in your late 50's .

The plant closes they loose their insurance and retirement and then presto after the workers are ripped off the plant opens back up .

But the life long workers lost it all.

There except for the grace of God go I.:dunno:
FedUpAmerican
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 08:19 am
@FedUpAmerican,
Even Tony Snow left the bush regime because HE couldn't afford the cost of his healthcare.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 01:04 pm
@kmchugh,
kmchugh;37195 wrote:
Funny. And fairly typical of those who support such an idea. Notice that neither of my detractors has addressed a single point I?ve made. Neither has attempted to demonstrate any flaws in the reasoning. Why? Primarily because I made my arguments from a factual, rather than emotional, basis. Facts being difficult to argue, both fell back on the old standby: If you cannot attack the facts, attack the person providing the facts.

I must just be a heartless b*****d.

By the way, I currently am a professional in the ?nightmare world of healthcare.? Very often, the nightmare isn?t for the populace. It?s the hospitals and healthcare providers that are living the nightmare. Mostly because of folks like you two.


Go and find something creative to do with your hand. Might as well, because you ain't saying much with your mouth. Spin...Right wing spin is all that it is.
Easy for you to say, with benefits covering your backside...but if your company goes bellyup, and highly likely ,with all of the administration sponsored "outsourcing" going on, then you'll be singing another tune.
Not so cocky and high and mighty when you ain't got no job or benefits...then you become just a part of the masses, you obviously feel contempt for.
I don't need to provide you no stinking statistics...I am a certified cardiopulmonary tech...worked at the Texas Medical Center, affiliated with Baylor College of Medicine, worked under Paul Michael Stevens, who was head of Baylor Pulmonary Dept...a world renown pulmonologist...I know hospitials inner workings...and I know how it goes, and how it went...and I'm here to tell you that for "non-profit" is a misnomer...there is profit going on...there are gold plated urinals and bedpans for VIP's (an abject waste of resources), there is lying, cheating, stealing...and hospital hierarchy getting kickbacks and perks and having hospital staff working off hours at their personal residences...so don't tell me about the pros and cons, and the system being on the "up and up"...save all that BS for the dim-witted and gullible.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 01:06 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;37226 wrote:
Even Tony Snow left the bush regime because HE couldn't afford the cost of his healthcare.


thank you...they must think folks are blind and stupid.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 01:07 pm
@wvpeach,
wvpeach;37224 wrote:
It happens to good people all the time who have worked their entire lives and had their plant close just prior to retirement.

Hard to get a good job in your late 50's .

The plant closes they loose their insurance and retirement and then presto after the workers are ripped off the plant opens back up .

But the life long workers lost it all.

There except for the grace of God go I.:dunno:


Thanks for that wvpeach...the people saying otherwise are the epitome of godlessness.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 02:18 pm
@FedUpAmerican,
FedUpAmerican;37205 wrote:
My fair share junior.

Unlike you, CRYING about your diminishing welfare check, I actually care about people. :FU1:

LOL!


Yeah, right. You're overflowing with compassion. When I think of you, I image a colored version of Joseph Stalin. :FU1::FU1::liar::liar::FU1::FU1:
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