Bible Party of the USA

The premise you had was the validity of a belief. I wasn't explaining the validity of my belief from your perspective. I can only explain my belief from my perspective.

Huh? That is very poorly phrased, forgive me for not understanding the point you are trying to make.

I was explaining one reason I have for my for my belief. That reason was the reality that the eyewitness accounts in the Bible are from people who refused to give up their belief in the truth in the face of certain death. If what they believed was untrue, all they had to do was recant their belief and they would avoid torture and a horrible death. The fact they did not recant their belief and chose instead to retain their belief with the knowledge of torture and certain death indicates to me that these believers were not espousing an intellectual argument, but were speaking truth.

The fallacy of your conclusion is that you've made the assumption that a person would know if they were wrong, and that is certainly not the case. It is possible for someone to believe something that they think is true when it is actually false! People may die for a belief that they think is true but in reality it is false!

It can be an indication of the extent of their examination of the truth/reality. If someone experiences something, they know their experience is true.

So those lepprechaun sightings in South Carolina means that lepprechauns exist?

However, the first hand accounts in the Bible show consistency

The bible makes self-references, this is an academic "no-no"!

In fact, more and more discoveries add to the body of proof that the Bible is telling the truth.

Like the discovery of talking snakes and a global flood? I have asked for these discoveries and have yet to see any! The Bible says that bats are birds, but anyone with a 6th grade education can tell you otherwise.

A bad apple can spoil the whole basket.

You didn't say 'most christians' you just said 'christians' don't coerce people into believing, which is not true as i have just demonstrated.

Explain the death camps of Stalin, Hitler, or any of the modern flowerings of atheistic and anti-theistic thought, love, and kindness that resulted in tens of millions of dead.

Hitler definitely wasn't an atheist he made many many statements about working for god....and stalin was an atheist but he was not motivated by atheism, in-fact the personallity cult of Stalin is very dogmatic, specificly you are talking about communist genocide not atheist, the truth is NO Democratic atheist-dominated nation EVER commited genocide, current nations with high proportions of atheists in the population are doing better in the way of education and have much lower crime rates than in the US.

Explain the 45,000,000 dead babies we have produced iun the USA since Roe v Wade. Explain why people on both sides of the debate claim to be Christians or claim to be atheists. What is the difference. The source is the same, evil.

I'm pro-life....don't make too many assumptions about my political beliefs!

Someday, you’ll need to settle down on a belief set and stop exploring/sampling the wines.

Whos says i'm still exploring? I'm an about as atheistic as they come...i use debate to further educate myself, I don't learn about other religions because i am considering them.

I’m not the person who’s seeking answers by attempting to tear holes in other peoples’ beliefs.

atheism technically isn't a belief, it's lack of belief (in a god).

I have mine and have no interest in exploring yours.

That's too bad, one should consistantly look for the truth whether it corrosponds or contradicts current belief. Believing you have the absolute truth and there is no possibility of being wrong is the very epitimy of closed-mindedness.

See above. Also, see my answer concerning my age and experience. Talk, talk, talk doesn’t get you anywhere.

talking with people of different beliefs will educate you (and me).


So you say. What color is a zebra’s skin?

I'm not sure, i think it's black, i could be wrong.

no, god is reference to any god, God is a reference to a specific god!

Sure. It would be to someone with your frame of reference.

:lightbulb:

Huh? That is very poorly phrased, forgive me for not understanding the point you are trying to make.

The fallacy of your conclusion is that you've made the assumption that a person would know if they were wrong, and that is certainly not the case. It is possible for someone to believe something that they think is true when it is actually false! People may die for a belief that they think is true but in reality it is false!

The bible makes self-references, this is an academic "no-no"!

Like the discovery of talking snakes and a global flood? I have asked for these discoveries and have yet to see any! The Bible says that bats are birds, but anyone with a 6th grade education can tell you otherwise.

You didn't say 'most christians' you just said 'christians' don't coerce people into believing, which is not true as i have just demonstrated.

Hitler definitely wasn't an atheist he made many many statements about working for god....and stalin was an atheist but he was not motivated by atheism, in-fact the personallity cult of Stalin is very dogmatic, specificly you are talking about communist genocide not atheist, the truth is NO Democratic atheist-dominated nation EVER commited genocide, current nations with high proportions of atheists in the population are doing better in the way of education and have much lower crime rates than in the US.

I'm pro-life....don't make too many assumptions about my political beliefs!

Whos says i'm still exploring? I'm an about as atheistic as they come...i use debate to further educate myself, I don't learn about other religions because i am considering them.

atheism technically isn't a belief, it's lack of belief (in a god).

That's too bad, one should consistantly look for the truth whether it corrosponds or contradicts current belief. Believing you have the absolute truth and there is no possibility of being wrong is the very epitimy of closed-mindedness.

talking with people of different beliefs will educate you (and me).

I'm not sure, i think it's black, i could be wrong.

Try harder. Did you ever read or have read to you The Little Engine That Could?

don't belittle me!



Could this be true of atheists/anti-theists?

This is true of everyone!



Political correctness was a concept created by totalitarian regimes.

umm....okay...whatever you say...:wtf:

When you communicate, do you always do it without using allusions or allegories?

nice dodge, why don't you answer the question?whether satan convinced them to do it or not that doesn't change the fact, christians have coerced people into believing.No, i'm am simply using your own arguments against you. I use your same arguments but replace your god with pagan gods so you can see how invalid such an argument is!

Name three atheist/anti-theist dominated nations with democratic or true representative governments.

Norway, Sweden, and the UK are three most prominent nations with an unusually high proportion of atheists!It sounds like you enjoy believing that i am still searching, but it simply isn't true, because i understand that only the fool is willfully ignorant. I don't think i am wasting my time learning about religions, in fact it makes my arguments for atheism much better, and i understand how the theists think, which further cements me into atheism.

Sure it is, uh huh, I really, really believe you.

i detect some sarcasm, hey don't take my word for it look in the dictionary for atheism!

What is the point in practice bleeding?

what are you talking about?

:lightbulb:

don't belittle me!

nice dodge, why don't you answer the question?

whether satan convinced them to do it or not that doesn't change the fact, christians have coerced people into believing.

No, i'm am simply using your own arguments against you. I use your same arguments but replace your god with pagan gods so you can see how invalid such an argument is!

Norway, Sweden, and the UK are three most prominent nations with an unusually high proportion of atheists!

It sounds like you enjoy believing that i am still searching, but it simply isn't true, because i understand that only the fool is willfully ignorant. I don't think i am wasting my time learning about religions, in fact it makes my arguments for atheism much better, and i understand how the theists think, which further cements me into atheism.

what are you talking about?

Noi know what you said, you reply didn't answer my question!You were the one to mention not me, I was simply arguing on "your terms"...

Apples and oranges.

and?by unusually high i mean: "much higher than the normal or average amount"

Have you read the Bible with an open mind, or did you form a pre-judgement?

Have your read "The God delusion" with an open mind, or did you form a pre-judgement?

Practice bleeding is when you cut yourself, knowing you will bleed, but you do it anyway. The only reason you would do that unless you are a masochist is to practice bleeding. There is no need to practice bleeding because the same thing happens every time unless you run out of blood. Again, what is the point?

Are you being metaphoric or literal? I certainly don't cut myself, and i also don't see the relevency...so i assume you are being metaphoric, but what exactly are you relating "Bleeding" to?

:lightbulb:

by unusually high i mean: "much higher than the normal or average amount"

Have your read "The God delusion" with an open mind, or did you form a pre-judgement?

That is not equivalent to dominated by.

I formed a pre-judgement (about the God Delusion).

As I said before. I have no need or desire to practice bleeding. You are the person who is asking questions about my beliefs. I have no wish to explore yours. I am old enough and have explored enough to know what is true and good and what is not.

If you want answers about Judaism or Christianity, read The Book that is the Source. Otherwise you are just arguing to argue and that's a pointless occupation.

Hit'm hard, Volly. Hit'm.

Yeah, you just stand on the side-lines and cheer and let Volly do all the work......like a good cheerleader!

He doesn't need any help. He's smoke'n you.:burnout:

You just don't want to help volly because you are incapable of getting into a serious debate with these things we call "facts"....:eek:

Yeah..........right. Good recovery. Lemme eat another handful of nuts, drinking a cold one, while he stomps you some more.:orly::elefant::whipping:

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you sound like a hypocrite...

Open your ears a bit more or look in Johari's window.

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I was raised a christian i know what christians believe, i am much more interested in why they believe!

If you were raised as a christian, that upbringing included learning from the Bible what God says about you and our world, and you continue to blaspheme and spew the spirit of the anti-christ without repentance, then you have no excuse and no redemption. Read the Bible with adult eyes and you'll see what I mean. It states this explicitly.

Just as there is a difference between saying you are a christian and actually being one, there is also a difference between "being raised as a christian" and actually reading or learning from the source documentation of our beliefs, the Bible, God's Word. Most churches drift off course by becoming enamored of their own man made rituals. They loose sight of the Scripture and what It actually says. If you grew up in a family that went to a church like this then you did not have the benefit of "knowing what christians believe" You only learned the form, not the function or the reason for the form. This is indicated by your statement that you are more interested in why christians believe. If you were actually raised as a christian, being given the knowledge that is the birth right of christians, then you would already know why.

you sound like a hypocrite...

You just don't want to help volly because you are incapable of getting into a serious debate with these things we call "facts"....:eek:

:lightbulb:

There is no physical evidence or proof that shows that the universe was created by a god especially the specific god you believe in!

Answer= My own body's will to live!