Bible Party of the USA

Your subconsious is telling you there is no god, why is it that you are afraid of death if heaven awaits you?

No, your faith is your trust of the men who wrote the bible....The simple truth is that you can't justify your trust of the bible without using a circular argument or personal rhetoric!

No, your faith is your trust of the men who wrote the bible....The simple truth is that you can't justify your trust of the bible without using a circular argument or personal rhetoric!

and belief in an invisible man in the sky is logical? and belief in a talking snake is logical? Belief in a magical tree is logical? belief of jewish carpenter with magic powers is logical?

No, your faith is your trust of the men who wrote the bible....The simple truth is that you can't justify your trust of the bible without using a circular argument or personal rhetoric!

As to the mythological creatures, Thor and Zeus, not that I know of. Although I didn't pry into peoples' belief systems. If I became aware of what they believed it was because I broke bread with them or was invited into some aspect of their lives.

Jesus is Truth.
Truth is Truth

God's work testifies for Him. He doesn't need men to testify. He uses men to testify for other men who may be a bit slow or cantankerous.

There is no physical evidence or proof that shows that the universe was created by a god especially the specific god you believe in!

If you don't live in a city in which man's works surround you, you can open your eyes or ears and experience the evidence of His work. You feel it in every breath you take.

...again as i've stated above.

Why do you take a breath? I mean physically/physiologically, not metaphysically. In the same vein, (no puin intended) why can you move your arm or why does your heart pump blood?

Answer= My own body's will to live!

Obviously this is an emotional issue for you.

no not really, i simply debate christanity for entertainment, knowledge, and to improve my arguments. Why do you debate for the existance of your deity?


If it weren't and if you didn't believe so passionately that God deosn't exist, you'd not bother with a discussion like this.

yes i would, i find it entertaining!

For someone who does not believe and refuses to accept evidence that might change their predisposition, no amount of evidence or logic will suffice.

I would say this descibe you perfectly!

The fact that you continue to discuss this indicates to me that your are not satisfied with the choice you've made

on the contrary, atheism is the best choice i've made for myself, i am finally free of the mental restraints of religion!

This is similar to C.S. Lewis.

not at all

Eventually, he learned the truth through logic. If you wish, you can pick up a copy of his books in any Barnes and Noble or Border or other large book selling chain.

You can also read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins...

He walks through "non-circular" logic to explain what you are experiencing. I double dare you to read his works.

Only If you read Why God is Not Great or The God Delusion...

The New Testament was written by men who were willing to sacrifice their lives to save others. They were unwilling to compromise the truth in the face of mortal danger. They did this, not for themselves, but for us based on the command of Christ Jesus. There was no coersion to do this. They were working through moralsuasion as Jesus did.

Where did you get this information?

I would rather evaluate and follow men or women who conform to the above description than to follow men or women who have never (and would never)put their lives on the line for what they believe in. To people in the latter category belief is a fad.

Whether someone is willing to die for their belief has nothing to do with how valid their belief is or whether they are good people or not......EXAMPLE: Muslim Extremists!

The truth is, I (and other believers) don't have to justify my (our) trust in the Bible. It's mine (ours), not yours. It can be yours if you choose. That is what Genesis 3 describes.

You're right you don't have to justify your belief, but a justified belief is better than an unjustified belief! So shouldn't you try to justify your belief with outside sources? like i've said before many times(to other people), i'm not here to change your belief, in-fact you should be happy for people like me who constantly challenges you belief, if your belief is not strong enough to withstand the criticism perhaps you shouldn't have the belief!

God is not a man.

But he was made in man's image...(and yes, this is backwards on purpose)

He doesn't reside in the sky. He created the sky.

I know he doesn't reside in the sky, but heaven is always described as sky-like....either way it is just as silly.


The other statements you make above indicate a world view based on a lifetime of absorbing your ideas from TV and movies.

was satan not in snake form when he talked to eve? Was Jesus not a jewish carpentar who had powers superior to man?

Fatal_Freedoms,

Are you eating Turkey or some similar feast today???

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Where did you get this information?

Whether someone is willing to die for their belief has nothing to do with how valid their belief is or whether they are good people or not......EXAMPLE: Muslim Extremists!

You're right you don't have to justify your belief, but a justified belief is better than an unjustified belief! So shouldn't you try to justify your belief with outside sources? like i've said before many times(to other people), i'm not here to change your belief, in-fact you should be happy for people like me who constantly challenges you belief, if your belief is not strong enough to withstand the criticism perhaps you shouldn't have the belief!

History books.

like????



That statement starts with a faulty premise and makes an ignorant comparison.

what exactly is my faulty premise?

Die, rather than give up their beliefs, not die to prove they believe.

again, how intently someone believes has nothing to do with valadidity of a claim....Some people may believe that they are napolean, and are willing to die for this belief...does this make it true? No.

There is a great difference between Christians and Islamists.

the difference is irrelevent, truth is not subjective! If the intensity of belief has nothing to do with valididity of a claim for Muslims, then the same is true for christians!

Christians know you can’t coerce someone to believe in God or His Word.

Really!? Then explain the Spanish inquisition to me...

How many Christian terrorists have you heard of? How many of those were turned in by other Christians? How many Islamic terrorists have you heard of? How many of those were turned in by other believers in Islam?

This is irrelevent to how 'true' a belief may be.

We can’t all be glib and able to address every argument on the spot. You asked questions. I didn’t have the time or inclination to continue to develop answers to your questions since you seem not to want the answers.

No, actually i am quite interested in your answers! The more i know about other beliefs the more true to mysel i feel i am being!

Therefore, I suggested you read some of C.S. Lewis’ works. They go into great detail concerning many of your questions. If you truly do want the answers to your detailed questions, it would be better to get the answers from someone who had you mindset (atheism) and came through examination, to be a believer in Christ.

You have a great point here, but i think the vice versa also applies for you as well!

If you don’t want answers and are just trying to be an irritant,

that is not my intent at all, it is quite selfish to think my sole purpose here is to irritate you, infact you should be happy for me, becuase if your faith can withstand great criticism then it is better than holding a belief that cannot withstand great criticism, and makes you a better christian for putting your faith through trials!

If your purpose is to attempt to convert me to the religion of atheism,

Atheism isn't a religion anymore than bald is a hair-color. My purpose is not to convert anyone, i am here for belief-awareness, i want not to know what you believe but rather why you believe. I think it makes me more of an intellectually honest individual to understand my beliefs and that of others. It also makes my arguments for atheism that much better by understanding the reasoning of other beliefs!

you should save your effort, it won’t happen. You should also watch out because the monitors on this forum prohibit proselytizing with the intent to convert people to your religion.

I attempt to (de)convert no one!

:lightbulb:

what exactly is my faulty premise?

again, how intently someone believes has nothing to do with valadidity of a claim....

the difference is irrelevent, truth is not subjective! If the intensity of belief has nothing to do with valididity of a claim for Muslims, then the same is true for christians!

Really!? Then explain the Spanish inquisition to me...

No, actually i am quite interested in your answers! The more i know about other beliefs the more true to mysel i feel i am being!

You have a great point here, but i think the vice versa also applies for you as well!

that is not my intent at all, it is quite selfish to think my sole purpose here is to irritate you, infact you should be happy for me, becuase if your faith can withstand great criticism then it is better than holding a belief that cannot withstand great criticism, and makes you a better christian for putting your faith through trials!

Atheism isn't a religion anymore than bald is a hair-color….

1) Thor and Zeus are gods not creatures

2) Quit dodging the question! do you know personally of people who believe in Thor or Zeus?

The difference between gods and God is God is the Creator and all the gods are created things.