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Bible Party of the USA

 
 
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 12 Nov, 2007 09:18 am
@Brian764,
Brian@764;45199 wrote:
Yes one has to take responsibility for their own salvation, and it is God who is in us (Christians) that work in us, both the will and the good work as verse 13 says.

Philippians 2:12-13 (KJV)
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.


2 Timothy 2:14-26, ?Remind them of these things, charging them before God not to fight about words; this is in no way profitable and leads to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who doesn't need to be ashamed, correctly teaching the word of truth. But avoid irreverent, empty speech, for this will produce an even greater measure of godlessness. And their word will spread like gangrene, among whom are Hymenaeus and Philetus. They have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and are overturning the faith of some. Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, having this inscription:

The Lord knows those who are His, and

Everyone who names the name of the Lord must turn away from unrighteousness.

Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver bowls, but also those of wood and earthenware, some for special use, some for ordinary. So if anyone purifies himself from these things, he will be a special instrument, set apart, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.

Flee from youthful passions, and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. But reject foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they breed quarrels. The Lord's slave must not quarrel, but must be gentle to everyone, able to teach, and patient, instructing his opponents with gentleness. Perhaps God will grant them repentance to know the truth. Then they may come to their senses and escape the Devil's trap, having been captured by him to do his will.?

Jn 15:8, ?My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be My disciples.?

Jn 21:15-19, ?When they had eaten breakfast, Jesus asked Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?"
"Yes, Lord," he said to Him, "You know that I love You."

"Feed My lambs," He told him.

A second time He asked him, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?"

"Yes, Lord," he said to Him, "You know that I love You."

"Shepherd My sheep," He told him.

He asked him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?"

Peter was grieved that He asked him the third time, "Do you love Me?" He said, "Lord, You know everything! You know that I love You."

"Feed My sheep," Jesus said. "I assure you: When you were young, you would tie your belt and walk wherever you wanted. But when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands and someone else will tie you and carry you where you don't want to go." He said this to signify by what kind of death he would glorify God. After saying this, He told him, "Follow Me!"

Jms 1:19-27, ?My dearly loved brothers, understand this: everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger, for man's anger does not accomplish God's righteousness. Therefore, ridding yourselves of all moral filth and evil excess, humbly receive the implanted word, which is able to save you. But be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. Because if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man looking at his own face in a mirror; for he looks at himself, goes away, and right away forgets what kind of man he was. But the one who looks intently into the perfect law of freedom and perseveres in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer who acts?this person will be blessed in what he does.

If anyone thinks he is religious, without controlling his tongue but deceiving his heart, his religion is useless. Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself unstained by the world.?

Jms 2:14-26, ?What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith, but does not have works? Can his faith save him?

If a brother or sister is without clothes and lacks daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you don't give them what the body needs, what good is it? In the same way faith, if it doesn't have works, is dead by itself.
But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without works, and I will show you faith from my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. The demons also believe?and they shudder.

Foolish man! Are you willing to learn that faith without works is useless? Wasn't Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? You see that faith was active together with his works, and by works, faith was perfected. So the Scripture was fulfilled that says, Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness, and he was called God's friend. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way, wasn't Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by a different route? For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.?
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Brian764
 
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Reply Mon 12 Nov, 2007 09:51 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;45198 wrote:
Dt 30:19-30:20, ?I call heaven and earth as witness against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live, love the LORD your God, obey Him, and remain faithful to Him. For He is your life and He will prolong your life in the land the LORD swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.?

How can we do what we are charged with above if laws are made and enforced or society is structured bny the forces of evil to prevent us from talking about God's Word or teaching our children His Word without them being told that His Word is hate or evil. This is what the world is doing every day and laws are being changed by people who've given themselves over to their own desires and want to extend their hell to everyone else.



I would not be overly concern with laws written by men who would make it illegal to speak God's word. The first disciples were threatened time and time again from doing what Jesus commissioned them to do, but that did not prevent them. While I would rather be in a situation where the law or those who put laws into effect respect my right as a human being, I know that my rights and responsibility does not come from men but from God....the responsibility of any government is to respect the rights of all people; they cannot create rights, but they can and have made laws which restricts people rights, in other words, I don't need the government or a government to tell me what my rights are.

In truths, laws are for those who are unable to tell the difference between rights and wrong. However, it is important for those who write laws to know the difference between right from wrong, which is not always the case.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 12 Nov, 2007 09:17 pm
@Volunteer,
When Jesus said that some of His disciples would live to see the coming of the Kingdom, He meant the Roman Catholic Church. I'm certain of it.
Brian764
 
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Reply Mon 12 Nov, 2007 09:27 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45225 wrote:
When Jesus said that some of His disciples would live to see the coming of the Kingdom, He meant the Roman Catholic Church. I'm certain of it.


No that's not it...they did see the kingdom as Jesus said, when He was transfigured before them.


Matthew 16:28 (KJV)
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

They later saw the kingdom when Jesus was transfigure

Matthew 17:1-9 (KJV)
1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2007 08:09 am
@Brian764,
Brian@764;45203 wrote:
I would not be overly concern with laws written by men who would make it illegal to speak God's word. The first disciples were threatened time and time again from doing what Jesus commissioned them to do, but that did not prevent them. While I would rather be in a situation where the law or those who put laws into effect respect my right as a human being, I know that my rights and responsibility does not come from men but from God....the responsibility of any government is to respect the rights of all people; they cannot create rights, but they can and have made laws which restricts people rights, in other words, I don't need the government or a government to tell me what my rights are.

In truths, laws are for those who are unable to tell the difference between rights and wrong. However, it is important for those who write laws to know the difference between right from wrong, which is not always the case.


What you state about not being concerned is called complacency.

Your point about those who write the law knowing the difference between right and wrong, is the point of this party. When those writing the laws accept and live by the values of the world, they cannot write laws that are unbiased toward God's Word. The laws they write inevitably restrict the ability of children of Israel to worship and obey the Word of God.

Why are we here???

For what purpose are we given that freedom??
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 07:10 pm
@Brian764,
Brian@764;45231 wrote:
No that's not it...they did see the kingdom as Jesus said, when He was transfigured before them.


Matthew 16:28 (KJV)
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

They later saw the kingdom when Jesus was transfigure

Matthew 17:1-9 (KJV)
1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.


Both.:thumbup:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 07:30 pm
@Pinochet73,
[SIZE="4"]Brian Vs. Volunteer[/SIZE]
who will win????

you guys are so alike you don't even realize it! Would it make you feel better if i said you were both wrong?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 08:10 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;45429 wrote:
[SIZE="4"]Brian Vs. Volunteer[/SIZE]
who will win????

you guys are so alike you don't even realize it! Would it make you feel better if i said you were both wrong?


You don't have to. I'm here. Vote for me. Follow me. :bigok:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 08:21 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45446 wrote:
You don't have to. I'm here. Vote for me. Follow me. :bigok:


i'd rather follow a effeminent man in assless chaps into a bar Very Happy
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 08:40 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;45455 wrote:
i'd rather follow a effeminent man in assless chaps into a bar Very Happy


Hmm....TMI, FF. TMI. You have such a vivid imagination. I gotta ask -- when was the last time you actually did that?:leghump:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2007 09:17 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45465 wrote:
Hmm....TMI, FF. TMI. You have such a vivid imagination. I gotta ask -- when was the last time you actually did that?:leghump:


wow, i've never known someone to make as many assumptions as you do on a regular basis!

no wonder you're one of the sheeple Smile
Volunteer
 
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Reply Fri 16 Nov, 2007 05:57 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;45476 wrote:
wow, i've never known someone to make as many assumptions as you do on a regular basis!

no wonder you're one of the sheeple Smile


Better to be a sheep than a goat. Smile
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 16 Nov, 2007 06:06 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;45670 wrote:
Better to be a sheep than a goat. Smile


better to be an intelligent free thinking individual, who is self-reliant!
RED DEVIL cv
 
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Reply Fri 16 Nov, 2007 07:21 pm
@Volunteer,
If any want change in this a "democratic republic" to reflect the values of its citizens, as some 70 to 80 percent of our population profess to having the "CHRISTIAN" faith, how would one go about changing our Government? It is very apparent that the politicians in Washington are simply out of touch with the American public, as proven with the recent attempt to shove more superfluous law down our throats to appease the "less than silent" minority that want to open our borders to "international" laws and treaties as binding and superior to our rule of law, even to that of our constitution. And those that lead the charge for a New World Order and do battle under the guise of protecting our civil liberties are the very same ones that leave the gate "ajar" in the dark of night to let the "barbarians" at our gate "stealthily" enter unobserved or at least allow a small fracture of our constitutional rights crumble one piece at a time to allow the international "elitist" to gain control of our government and its rule of law, of course I am speaking of the ACLU and its never ending assault on our constitution with its flooding of our judicial system with their pointless lawsuits. So, Biblically speaking, what is our charge as Christians, how are we to react to such obvious infractions of our rights?

Are we to request great mobs to demand change? Are we to lay down our lives to enact change? In effect are we to revolt? After all we do command the majority. What does the scriptures say about how we are to conduct ourselves concerning things of government? Is it not a Christians duty to aspire to lead a quite life? (1 Thessalonians 4:11) I say if we are to in effect make change as we do control the majority, we must do it first on an "individual" basis, starting at home, after all Christianity is a religion focused upon individual faith. And faith does not come within a mob mentality. One Christian, one vote. Make the changes required at the ballot box, if your representative does not listen to you, its time for change, regardless of how long he/she has held the position. Faith does not come to people because we happen to live in a democratic society, just as faith does not occur simply due to someone living inside a dictatorial society, just as our society seems to be morphing into, as both the Executive and Legislative branches of our government seem to have laid down their rights to constitutionally challenge the "alogical" judicial system that has became somewhat despotical. As they now feel that it is their right to "legislate" from the bench unimpeded by constitutional restraint. Faith cometh from hearing the WORD, we simply have stopped listening to what we are speaking, if not, why does 80% of the population let 10% on the radical fringes of society dictate their will upon on?

The first step to overcoming anything is to appeal to the one that does have the power to control any and all governments as they are there but at the will of God in the first place to levy punishment to wrongdoers and praise those that do good. (1st Peter 2:13-17)

So I would suggest that there must be a "re-commitment" made by the "professed" 70% of the population to make sure that the government of our fathers remains true to its higher calling. While the results of such a re-commitment might be silent it will not go unnoticed as the politicians seemed to have forgotten that they serve at our will and not vice versa. It's time for the "silent majority" to once again speak softly and carry the big stick of political change. Regardless of what our children are taught in public school it remains our responsibility to ensure that they know the truth, and judging by the "deafening" sound of our silence as the MAJORITY we have been lax in our duties at home, for we must never forget that WE THE PEOPLE are the government, and its time to prove it once again. RD
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 16 Nov, 2007 07:24 pm
@RED DEVIL cv,
RED DEVIL;45679 wrote:
If any want change in this a "democratic republic" to reflect the values of its citizens, as some 70 to 80 percent of our population profess to having the "CHRISTIAN" faith, how would one go about changing our Government? It is very apparent that the politicians in Washington are simply out of touch with the American public, as proven with the recent attempt to shove more superfluous law down our throats to appease the "less than silent" minority that want to open our borders to "international" laws and treaties as binding and superior to our rule of law, even to that of our constitution. And those that lead the charge for a New World Order and do battle under the guise of protecting our civil liberties are the very same ones that leave the gate "ajar" in the dark of night to let the "barbarians" at our gate "stealthily" enter unobserved or at least allow a small fracture of our constitutional rights crumble one piece at a time to allow the international "elitist" to gain control of our government and its rule of law, of course I am speaking of the ACLU and its never ending assault on our constitution with its flooding of our judicial system with their pointless lawsuits. So, Biblically speaking, what is our charge as Christians, how are we to react to such obvious infractions of our rights?

Are we to request great mobs to demand change? Are we to lay down our lives to enact change? In effect are we to revolt? After all we do command the majority. What does the scriptures say about how we are to conduct ourselves concerning things of government? Is it not a Christians duty to aspire to lead a quite life? (1 Thessalonians 4:11) I say if we are to in effect make change as we do control the majority, we must do it first on an "individual" basis, starting at home, after all Christianity is a religion focused upon individual faith. And faith does not come within a mob mentality. One Christian, one vote. Make the changes required at the ballot box, if your representative does not listen to you, its time for change, regardless of how long he/she has held the position. Faith does not come to people because we happen to live in a democratic society, just as faith does not occur simply due to someone living inside a dictatorial society, just as our society seems to be morphing into, as both the Executive and Legislative branches of our government seem to have laid down their rights to constitutionally challenge the "alogical" judicial system that has became somewhat despotical. As they now feel that it is their right to "legislate" from the bench unimpeded by constitutional restraint. Faith cometh from hearing the WORD, we simply have stopped listening to what we are speaking, if not, why does 80% of the population let 10% on the radical fringes of society dictate their will upon on?

The first step to overcoming anything is to appeal to the one that does have the power to control any and all governments as they are there but at the will of God in the first place to levy punishment to wrongdoers and praise those that do good. (1st Peter 2:13-17)

So I would suggest that there must be a "re-commitment" made by the "professed" 70% of the population to make sure that the government of our fathers remains true to its higher calling. While the results of such a re-commitment might be silent it will not go unnoticed as the politicians seemed to have forgotten that they serve at our will and not vice versa. It's time for the "silent majority" to once again speak softly and carry the big stick of political change. Regardless of what our children are taught in public school it remains our responsibility to ensure that they know the truth, and judging by the "deafening" sound of our silence as the MAJORITY we have been lax in our duties at home, for we must never forget that WE THE PEOPLE are the government, and its time to prove it once again. RD


what you got somethin' against an organization protecting our

AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES?
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 12:40 pm
@Volunteer,
Forgive me, but the other day I overhead two Biblical Fundies discussing the Bible, life and world affairs in the teachers' lounge. While I like them, they're scary. Their literal interpretations and exaggerations of the importance of Biblical prophecy were frighteningly ignorant.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 06:37 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;45722 wrote:
Forgive me, but the other day I overhead two Biblical Fundies discussing the Bible, life and world affairs in the teachers' lounge. While I like them, they're scary. Their literal interpretations and exaggerations of the importance of Biblical prophecy were frighteningly ignorant.


it's quite common where i'm from!
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 08:58 pm
@Volunteer,
I thank God for the Catholic Church.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 03:25 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;45671 wrote:
better to be an intelligent free thinking individual, who is self-reliant!


What did I mean by sheep vice goats?
Volunteer
 
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Reply Sun 18 Nov, 2007 03:31 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;44840 wrote:
The Bible can be liberaly interpreted to mean whatever the person wishes it to mean!


The fact that someone who is on the receiving end of a communication can choose to interpret a communication in any way they wish doesn't change the communicator's message or intent.

People can choose to ignore truth.
 

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