Bible Party of the USA

Calling your Creator archaic is like calling your parents old.

You make the presumption that there is infact a creator and yet you lack any proof or evidence...
That may be your point of view, but what does it mean?

What is your frame of reference?

Your god and messiah are very similar to the various pagan gods and messiahs

Why is your frame of reference any more valid than anyone elses?

...and i ask you the same question!

This is probably your point since your reply implies a complete acceptance of the cultural and value relativism world view.

i find all religions equally silly, but you on the other hand value one religion over the all of the others without complete knowledge of all other religions.

From a parent's point of view the snot nosed brat calling them old doesn't know which way is up, but they (the parents who love the child) may tolerate a certain amount of insolence from that child as they attempt to teach the child how to behave and which way is up. If the child proves themselves to be untrainable and at an age when they can stand on their own two feet, the parent should allow the child to be completely independent and learn to provide for themselves.

you compare god to a parent figure and yet have to establish that a god does infact exist, so untill you do so, i will disregard all that is stated above.


do you already know everything?

no!

Learning implies you accept the leadership and expertise of the person teaching or training you. This implies an acceptance of their authority within their area of expertise. It implies you accept the premise you know less than that person about the subject of inquiry. This acceptance may be because you truly believe their subject matter expertise is superior or it could be you accepted their coersion into accepting their point of view.

...and? Sorry but i don't see your point in this!


Are you a theologian?

no, and i assume you aren't either!

Have you conducted an exhaustive comparison/contrast between the religions you list?

have you?

If not, why would you accept they are all the same?

why would you believe yours is any better?

1. You make the presumption that there is infact a creator and yet you lack any proof or evidence...

Prove there isn't.

2. Your god and messiah are very similar to the various pagan gods and messiahs

Similar is not equal to the same. Further honest study will expose the differences.

3. ...and i ask you the same question!

My frame of reference is based on the Bible, God's Word. Researchers have yet to disprove anything in the Bible and over thousands of years events related in the Bible have been proven to have happened. New evidence is uncovered every day that supports the Bible with physical evidence. Eyewitness testimony supports the Bible as truth.

4. i find all religions equally silly, but you on the other hand value one religion over the all of the others without complete knowledge of all other religions.

I value, yes. You must value something to believe in it. If you don't believe in anything it is easy to find everything silly. If you believe parts is parts and that is your world view then you have that as your religion. How is that working out for you?

5. you compare god to a parent figure and yet have to establish that a god does infact exist, so untill you do so, i will disregard all that is stated above.

Disregard all you want. That is your God given right.

6. no!

You act like you do.

7. ...and? Sorry but i don't see your point in this!

Think harder about it. Or, if you prefer think smarter.

8. no, and i assume you aren't either!

Correct assumption. I don't need to be to decide my belief system. I only need to know what is right for me. As for me and my family we shall serve the Lord (Jesus). You are given the right, same as I am, to serve whomever you wish.

9. have you?

It's not my list, it's yours. I have been exposed to other religions and cultures. I have lived in those cultures, not just visited.

10. why would you believe yours is any better?

I believe mine is true and the others are false. My basis for this belief is 50 years of experience and learning with God's Word as the foundation.

Prove there isn't. (any god)

Exactly!


Similar is not equal to the same. Further honest study will expose the differences.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

My frame of reference is based on the Bible, God's Word. Researchers have yet to disprove anything in the Bible and over thousands of years events related in the Bible have been proven to have happened. New evidence is uncovered every day that supports the Bible with physical evidence. Eyewitness testimony supports the Bible as truth.

Are you delusional? Science has proved the bible wrong on many occasions including but not limited to: 6 day earth creation, global flood, young earth, 2 white oldest ancestors etc...

I value, yes. You must value something to believe in it. If you don't believe in anything it is easy to find everything silly. If you believe parts is parts and that is your world view then you have that as your religion. How is that working out for you?

Atheism is not a religion as defined by the dictionary, and yes my decision to be an atheist is the best damn decision i ever made!

You act like you do.

how so? does my believing you are wrong make me all-knowing?

Correct assumption. I don't need to be to decide my belief system. I only need to know what is right for me. As for me and my family we shall serve the Lord (Jesus). You are given the right, same as I am, to serve whomever you wish.

then why do you ask me if i am a theologian?

It's not my list, it's yours. I have been exposed to other religions and cultures. I have lived in those cultures, not just visited.

I have done a great deal of research on my own time...

I believe mine is true and the others are false. My basis for this belief is 50 years of experience and learning with God's Word as the foundation.

and yet, someone of a different religion would probably answer the same with a different conclusion, so let me ask this again: How is your conclusion better than that of another faith?

Look up the definition of similar, then look up the definition of the word same. I believe you'll see a difference.

Atheism has all the attributes of a religion. It is a religion as defined by the US government through court rulings.

No, your statement indicated you veiwed all religions other than atheism to be silly or false. In order to make a categorical statement like that, you were either speaking from personal knowledge of those religions, faith in your stated religion (atheism), or acting like a child talking to a parent when they want to do something and they say everyone else is doing it so why won't you let me.

Reading about being smacked in the face is different from being smacked in the face.

Because you speak as though (asert) you are an authority in theology by making broad statements concerning a range of religions.

Either you have studied them intensively, which means you might be a theologian, or you have not.

Each of the things you cite is an example of a popular myth concerning what the Bible says, not what it actually says. Try reading it in a modern language version you'll understand why your statement concerning these proofs is false.

Are you a person of faith?

The Church is the Body of Christ. Christians are adopted Children of (Jacob) Israel. They are adopted through acceptance of Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

I disagree with the word adopted; can one be an adopted child and at the same time be born of the same person who adopted him or her? Maybe, if the child was some how got separated from his father, and was later adopted back into that family. I believe that translators however have made an error in this part of the scripture; the word huiothesia which is translated as adoption, simply means, place as sons. It is a combination of two words, one is place and the other is son.

Ephesians 1:5 (KJV)
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Greek Word: υἱοθεσία
Transliteration: huiothesia
Phonetic Pronunciation:hwee-oth-es-ee'-ah
Root: from a presumed compound of <G5207> and a derivative of <G5087>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 8:397,1206
Part of Speech: n f
Vine's Words: Adoption


Usage Notes:

English Words used in KJV:
adoption 3
adoption of children 1
adoption of sons 1
[Total Count: 5]

from a presumed compound of <G5207> (huios) and a derivative of <G5087> (tithemi); the placing as a son, i.e. adoption (figurative Christian sonship in respect to God) :- adoption (of children, of sons).

—Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

Born again


1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Born again
Greek Word: ἀναγεννάω
Transliteration: anagennaō
Phonetic Pronunciation:an-ag-en-nah'-o
Root: from <G303> and <G1080>
Cross Reference: TDNT - 1:673,114
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: Beget, Bear (of begetting), Born


Usage Notes:

English Words used in KJV:
begat again 1
be born again 1
[Total Count: 2]

from <G303> (ana) and <G1080> (gennao); to beget or (by extension) bear (again) :- beget, (bear) ? again.

—Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

So either we are born again, or we are adopted. God does not contradict Him self, and in the Greek the word adoption is not used.