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Bible Party of the USA

 
 
Volunteer
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2007 03:14 pm
@wvpeach,
wvpeach;41277 wrote:
Volunteer

unfortunately you have missed the end of the book.

The bible tells us the world will not get better it will get worse.

In fact God will have to step in or all flesh would perish from the earth.

Did you miss that part of the bible volunteer?


No, I did not miss the end of the Book. I read through every time and finish at the end of Revelation 22:21.

Are you a prophet? Do you know we are in the end times?
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 09:23 am
@Volunteer,
Sorry it's been a while.

The purpose of the Bible Party, shown at Bible Party of the United States of America is to establish an institution aimed at directly combating the various threads of political action aimed at abolishing institutions established by God that form the foundation of civil society here in the United States of America. These institutions include the family, family education in Biblical values, property ownership and the rule of law that allows people to follow God's Word and teach it to their children without state interference.

Below is an excerpt from the communist manifesto that expresses why we are experiencing a well planned progressive destruction of our societal institutions. This exceprt comes from the originally published manifesto. Most versions available now on the internet exclude this wording. The manifesto makes great issue of class conflict yet it fosters that conflict and makes artificial distinctions between societal groups to further its aims.

From the warped mind of the communist, these institutions are their enemy. The various threads and offshoots of thought that assist the communists in their aim are supported by their surrogates. No, It is not necessarily a communist plot. However, it does seem interesting that many of the organizations at the root of our present chaos in the western world are or originally were supported by funding from the FSU and its allies.

Yes, I am an Old Cold Warrior, got a certificate that says so and proud of it.

Here is the excerpt.

The Communist Manifesto:

"II. PROLETARIANS AND COMMUNISTS...

Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.

On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.

The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.

Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.

But, you will say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social.

And your education! Is not that also social, and determined by the social conditions under which you educate, by the intervention, direct or indirect, of society, by means of schools, etc.? The Communists have not invented the intervention of society in education; they do but seek to alter the character of that intervention, and to rescue education from the influence of the ruling class.

The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parent and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all family ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labour.

But you Communists would introduce community of women, screams the whole bourgeoisie in chorus.

The bourgeois sees in his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion than that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women.

He has not even a suspicion that the real point is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production.

For the rest, nothing is more ridiculous than the virtuous indignation of our bourgeois at the community of women which, they pretend, is to be openly and officially established by the Communists. The Communists have no need to introduce community of women; it has existed almost from time immemorial.

Our bourgeois, not content with having the wives and daughters of their proletarians at their disposal, not to speak of common prostitutes, take the greatest pleasure in seducing each other's wives.

Bourgeois marriage is in reality a system of wives in common and thus, at the most, what the Communists might possibly be reproached with, is that they desire to introduce, in substitution for a hypocritically concealed, an openly legalized community of women. For the rest, it is self-evident that the abolition of the present system of production must bring with it the abolition of the community of women springing from that system, i.e., of prostitution both public and private.

The Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationality.

The working men have no country. We cannot take from them what they have not got. Since the proletariat must first of all acquire political supremacy, must rise to be the leading class of the nation, must constitute itself the nation, it is, so far, itself national, though not in the bourgeois sense of the word.

National differences and antagonisms between peoples are daily more and more vanishing, owing to the development of the bourgeoisie, to freedom of commerce, to the world-market, to uniformity in the mode of production and in the conditions of life corresponding thereto.

The supremacy of the proletariat will cause them to vanish still faster. United action, of the leading civilised countries at least, is one of the first conditions for the emancipation of the proletariat.

In proportion as the exploitation of one individual by another is put an end to, the exploitation of one nation by another will also be put an end to. In proportion as the antagonism between classes within the nation vanishes, the hostility of one nation to another will come to an end.

The charges against Communism made from a religious, a philosophical, and, generally, from an ideological standpoint, are not deserving of serious examination.
Does it require deep intuition to comprehend that man's ideas, views and conceptions, in one word, man's consciousness, changes with every change in the conditions of his material existence, in his social relations and in his social life?

What else does the history of ideas prove, than that intellectual production changes its character in proportion as material production is changed? The ruling ideas of each age have ever been the ideas of its ruling class.

When people speak of ideas that revolutionise society, they do but express the fact, that within the old society, the elements of a new one have been created, and that the dissolution of the old ideas keeps even pace with the dissolution of the old conditions of existence.

When the ancient world was in its last throes, the ancient religions were overcome by Christianity. When Christian ideas succumbed in the 18th century to rationalist ideas, feudal society fought its death battle with the then revolutionary bourgeoisie. The ideas of religious liberty and freedom of conscience merely gave expression to the sway of free competition within the domain of knowledge.

"Undoubtedly," it will be said, "religious, moral, philosophical and juridical ideas have been modified in the course of historical development. But religion, morality philosophy, political science, and law, constantly survived this change."

"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc. that are common to all states of society. But Communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience."

What does this accusation reduce itself to? The history of all past society has consisted in the development of class antagonisms, antagonisms that assumed different forms at different epochs.

But whatever form they may have taken, one fact is common to all past ages, viz., the exploitation of one part of society by the other. No wonder, then, that the social consciousness of past ages, despite all the multiplicity and variety it displays, moves within certain common forms, or general ideas, which cannot completely vanish except with the total disappearance of class antagonisms.

The Communist revolution is the most radical rupture with traditional property relations; no wonder that its development involves the most radical rupture with traditional ideas.

But let us have done with the bourgeois objections to Communism.

We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling as to win the battle of democracy.

The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionising the mode of production.

These measures will of course be different in different countries.

Nevertheless in the most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c., &c.

When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.

In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association, in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all…..

….In short, the Communists everywhere support every revolutionary movement against the existing social and political order of things.

In all these movements they bring to the front, as the leading question in each, the property question, no matter what its degree of development at the time.

Finally, they labour everywhere for the union and agreement of the democratic parties of all countries.

The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win."

This is just one front. Our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 09:36 am
@Volunteer,
Wiki definition of Bourgeois = Middle Class

Hummmmmm....

Bourgeoisie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 10:48 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;24949 wrote:
The founders were not elected to represent atheists. They were elected by others who believed as they did. If the majority of the founders were God fearing, then the majority of the colonists were God fearing. These people all crafted and approved of a government that honored, or was structured to allow people to use their free will to honor God's Word.


REALLY!? and what percent of the american population were deists? :dunno: Because i can name atleast 3 founding fathers were deists...



(Ps. Atheism was not around back then...)
Volunteer
 
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Reply Sun 4 Nov, 2007 08:29 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;44193 wrote:
REALLY!? and what percent of the american population were deists? :dunno: Because i can name atleast 3 founding fathers were deists...



(Ps. Atheism was not around back then...)


Atheism has been around since Genesis. It is one of Satan's lies.

If you can, you will be naming the yeast of the Pharisees.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 4 Nov, 2007 04:46 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;44230 wrote:
Atheism has been around since Genesis. It is one of Satan's lies.

If you can, you will be naming the yeast of the Pharisees.


:wtf:

It is a fact that people don't believe in god(s), historicly athesim has only be around since darwins time....

and yes every thing that disagree's with your views is one of SaTAns LiEs!!!! *sarcasm*
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 4 Nov, 2007 07:32 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;44193 wrote:
REALLY!? and what percent of the american population were deists? :dunno: Because i can name atleast 3 founding fathers were deists...



(Ps. Atheism was not around back then...)


Yeah....and three is about all you can come up with, too. Most of them were Christians. :headbang:
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 4 Nov, 2007 07:34 pm
@Volunteer,
Keep fighting, Volly. You're doing great!!!!!
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2007 03:15 pm
@Volunteer,
Pat Roberts is a despicable person, he exploits people of faith for his own financial gain!

this is for you Pat: :FU1:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2007 03:19 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;44302 wrote:
Yeah....and three is about all you can come up with, too. Most of them were Christians. :headbang:


deists would only account for about 0.7% of the American population at the time and yet 9% of the framers were deists....so as for the equal representation, it isn't true!
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2007 09:21 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;44345 wrote:
deists would only account for about 0.7% of the American population at the time and yet 9% of the framers were deists....so as for the equal representation, it isn't true!


Our Founders were more about the Enlightenment than Deism. Nothing more fully embodied Enlightenment idealism than the United States of America.:headbang:
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 5 Nov, 2007 09:22 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;44342 wrote:
Pat Roberts is a despicable person, he exploits people of faith for his own financial gain!

this is for you Pat: :FU1:


I think Pat's an honest guy. He's ignorant, but honest.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 05:21 am
@Volunteer,
The main problem with a Bible Party would be the age-old struggle between literal interpreters and figurative interpreters, e.g., fundamentalists and non-fundamentalists. For example, I'm a dedicated Christian, but not a fundie. I love the Bible and try my level best to live by it, but I don't interpret literally. I don't have to. Its overwhelming power leads me toward God without my having to interpret its ancient stories literally.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 03:59 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;44373 wrote:
Our Founders were more about the Enlightenment than Deism. Nothing more fully embodied Enlightenment idealism than the United States of America.:headbang:


the same could be said of the christain founders...
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 04:48 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;44431 wrote:
the same could be said of the christain founders...


God's Word enlightened the world.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 04:51 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;44395 wrote:
The main problem with a Bible Party would be the age-old struggle between literal interpreters and figurative interpreters, e.g., fundamentalists and non-fundamentalists. For example, I'm a dedicated Christian, but not a fundie. I love the Bible and try my level best to live by it, but I don't interpret literally. I don't have to. Its overwhelming power leads me toward God without my having to interpret its ancient stories literally.


Is the Bible God's Word?

If not, why do you follow it?

If so, why would there be a conflict in values between those who take it literally and those who claim it is the Word of God but do not take it literally?

There shouldn't be a conflict. If both respect God and His Word, then both should have values based on His Word. Therefore, there should not be conflict. Same with Jews since the Old and New Testaments are consistent with each other and differ in only one respect.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 05:02 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;44439 wrote:
God's Word enlightened the world.


which god?

Ishtar, Thor, Vishnu, Mithra, Njord, Set, Zeus, Osiris, Bridghit, Dionysus, Anu, Ra, Ares, Ogmimos, Cerennunos, Nephthys, Thoth, Forseti, Yahweh, Skadi, Aine, Arawn, sucellos, Kali, Devi, Sekhmet, Isis etc....
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 05:08 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;44442 wrote:
which god?

Ishtar, Thor, Vishnu, Mithra, Njord, Set, Zeus, Osiris, Bridghit, Dionysus, Anu, Ra, Ares, Ogmimos, Cerennunos, Nephthys, Thoth, Forseti, Yahweh, Skadi, Aine, Arawn, sucellos, Kali, Devi, Sekhmet, Isis etc....


Go to the first page of this thread and read what you are asked to read, you'll get your answer.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 6 Nov, 2007 05:14 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;44442 wrote:
which god?

Ishtar, Thor, Vishnu, Mithra, Njord, Set, Zeus, Osiris, Bridghit, Dionysus, Anu, Ra, Ares, Ogmimos, Cerennunos, Nephthys, Thoth, Forseti, Yahweh, Skadi, Aine, Arawn, sucellos, Kali, Devi, Sekhmet, Isis etc....


i believe this is your god is it not, volunteer? My point being that your god is just as every bit archaic as the others...why should we play favorites?

:headbang:
Volunteer
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 08:45 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;44448 wrote:
i believe this is your god is it not, volunteer? My point being that your god is just as every bit archaic as the others...why should we play favorites?



Calling your Creator archaic is like calling your parents old.

That may be your point of view, but what does it mean?

What is your frame of reference?

Why is your frame of reference any more valid than anyone elses?

This is probably your point since your reply implies a complete acceptance of the cultural and value relativism world view.

From a parent's point of view the snot nosed brat calling them old doesn't know which way is up, but they (the parents who love the child) may tolerate a certain amount of insolence from that child as they attempt to teach the child how to behave and which way is up. If the child proves themselves to be untrainable and at an age when they can stand on their own two feet, the parent should allow the child to be completely independent and learn to provide for themselves.

You state you are a student. Who is paying your bills and providing your food? What are you attempting to learn and why? Are you attempting to learn anything or do you already know everything?

Learning implies you accept the leadership and expertise of the person teaching or training you. This implies an acceptance of their authority within their area of expertise. It implies you accept the premise you know less than that person about the subject of inquiry. This acceptance may be because you truly believe their subject matter expertise is superior or it could be you accepted their coersion into accepting their point of view.

If you are in college, you might try viewing the college enviornment as a concentration camp in which the inmates' (students) futures are under the control of the guards (professors who do not love the child). This enables a certain degree of coersion to be directed from the professors toward the students to think and parrot back the professors' points of view. If the student fails to do this and states an idea contrary to that of the professors' the student finds his/her future in jeopardy due to the receipt of a less than satisfactory grade. If the student is reasonably bright, and most are or they wouldn't have made it throught the collegiate screenning process, then it only takes a time or two before the student's pavlovian response takes over. When students leave college, they have either been completely enculturated through the Stockholm Syndrom described above, or they are psychologically free to reject the professorial corporate culture's point of view, whatever that may be. Many students continue accepting the world view of their professors because they have already invested their integrity in that acceptance and reversing course would imply they were dishonest and expedient in their reaction to the professorial coersion.

Are you a theologian?

Have you conducted an exhaustive comparison/contrast between the religions you list?

If not, why would you accept they are all the same?
 

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