Bible Party of the USA

Ah but that is where we disagree . Its apparent through my own studies of the bible that no government of man will ever prosper . God's plan does not allow for it. If you want to strengthen the moral fiber and knowledge of God in this nation, you should do it door to door as the bible tells us to do. You should do it by example, in a food pantry, or free after school program for children. It cannot be done through political parties or government, nor judges, the bible clearly tells us this. Even Christ did not go against the government , nor try to change it while he was here on earth. Slavery was common during Christs life. He did not speak out against it. Instead he told slaves to live such Godly lives they might through their service influence their masters to come to God.

Nope volunteer what you propose goes directly against the bible and God's plan. After all if what you want happened we'd be a nation unlike any other on the planet that has ever been. We'd be a nation that truly follows the teachings Of Christ . Read the bible , that will not happen. It is depressing , but true none the less.

Atheism? Why in the world should this be any different than what has happened before. When Christ walked this earth, Rome ruled the world with their pagan multiple Gods . They worshipped the SUN and helena the God of the underworld , among literally hundreds of other fake Gods. You can be sure that Atheists were alive and well during Christs life, because smart people figured out all those false gods had no power and payed omage only for political reasons ,IE to not be shunned or killed for not worshiping the Kings favorite diety. you can bet many lost faith in gods or a God all together.And they talked about it , in bath houses and gatherings , just like we do today. The only difference is we have Radio and TV now, and we do have entire radio and TV stations dedicated to the Christian voice. I can't think of one dedicated solely to the Atheist voice. So give them a program here and there. there is no way to stop it, and Christs example does not point to the fact we are supposed to.

[SIZE="4"] King Soloman said there is no new thing under the SUN, no not one, what is , has been and will be again. This is nothing new. [/SIZE]

Involvement in government is not the answer volunteer. The answer is to produce fruit for the witness of Christ in your own life or in groups that work towards that goal. Invlovement in government is dangerous from what I see in my studies. God may blind the eyes of those that think a man made institution can bring peace, holiness , and prosperity to the world. I have some religious study mentors that believe it is a waste of time to talk about God to people who are holding govermental office while they are in office as they believe they are there because God allows it and like Pharaoh God has hardened their hearts to the truth . I agree , but like with anything else there are always exceptions.

But hey voluteer I am now sure you have been warned.

If you must dabble in the government of the world , I will pray for you.

Because the bible clearly says that the world for now is the kingdom of Satan.

I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

It is hardly "mythical", the separation of Church and State, but one of the precepts this nation was founded upon, for very important reasons.
Because "freedom" is a paramount value, and the seat of our belief as Americans, as mentioned in the "Secular views" section..."in order to keep a religion from enforcing its' social or ethical paradigm on government", it is necessary to maintain and enforce the separation, while acknowledging the freedom of people to express their religions or their non-religions, within the framework of society.
And you seem to be "over-the-top", with your suggestion that "hate crimes legislation now being considered as an ammendment to the FY 2008 Defense Appropriations Act, if this passes, Christians will be prohibited from teaching their children the Word of God and church leaders will be prohibited by law from preaching the Gospel." If this means in a public school setting, then I, personally, think it is appropriate to prohibit the teaching from the Bible and the preaching of the Gospel, as that is a function of the church and a practice within the confines of a home. It should not be forced down someone's throat, or be required. Christ beckoned those to come to Him, that were heavy-laden...not under threat of damnation or at the tip of a sword, but "freely", of their own volition. How then now, are we( or better, 'you") to force your beliefs on others?

Romans 13:1 let every soul be subject to the higher powers. For there is no power but God: the powers that be are ordained by God.

Considering the bible tells us that none will rule except God allows it. I am considering not voting in the next election. I have never missed a election volunteer , but my studies are leading me to believe it may not be the place of a Christian to vote in secular elections. I am still studying the bible on this one. We are to be in the world and not of it. Voting is certainly a worldly activity.

And I do not know about you, but I do not let anything into my house that I do not want here. TV's have locks that can keep kids from watching improper things. I didn't have cable till my children were older teens and that solved a lot of problems. Children should always be supervised on computers for their own safety. When my children were young the computer sat in a corner of my living room, bad as it did not match my decor it allowed me to supervise , which was more important than my decor.

It is the job of the family to stand for God in a world that obviously does not. It is not and never will be the job of a man made government . You are in for a lot of disappointment volunteer.

Voting is a worldly activity if the only choice you have is to vote for corrupt politicians or politicians who are in bed with evil.

We do the same with respect to what we allow into our home and we sweep the house and keep it clean.

The hotter the fire the stronger the steel. God won't let the fire get too hot for us to survive (Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego), and if He does, then it is His will. He hasn't called me home yet.

Daniel 3:16-18, "Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego replied to the king, "Nebuchadnezzar, we don't need to give you an answer to this question. If the God we serve exists, then He can rescue us from the furnace of blazing fire, and He can rescue us from the power of you, the king. But even if He does not rescue us, we want you as king to know that we will not serve your gods or worship the gold statue you set up.""

Please stop quoting scripture...you haven't the foggiest notion what you are talking about.

Talk about fog.

Yes...you're in one....and it obviously is your comfort zone...but it is a source of annoyance and pomposity to a large section of the rest of us....Believe whatever you like....but like a recipe for my mother's rum cake...some people are not into "rum cake", likewise, not too many people want to hear your version of your faith...it's personal...keep it to yourself. Talk about what it's done for you...not how we should practice it.

Look Aaron, as the secularists are wont to say, you don't have to put your computer on this channel if you don't like what you read. (paraphrased)

No, I won't stop quoting Scripture.

Well, I won't stop chastising you for it, either. And how dare you attempt to define who I am and what I'm about. I'm no secularist. I just don't wear my religion on my sleeve, and am wont to dictate my version of what is right and what is wrong....I am a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars...and I have a right to be here. I wasn't put here to please the likes of you, as you weren't for me.....but somehow, you feel it your bounden duty to tell me what the Bible says, and how wrong I am. You are not judge and jury. You don't speak for God Almighty. He speaks to everyone, equally. You're not in the equation, although you think that you are. Sounds like mental illness to me.

What is a secularist and why would you believe I was calling you one? You should really stop being disingenuous. You know you dictate your views in almost every post and expect others to behave according to your dictate. Otherwise you wouldn't say things like,"Please stop quoting scripture...you haven't the foggiest notion what you are talking about." There is dictate and judgement in that post.

Nothing self-righteous about me. Only God is righteous.

Oh, it's all about self-righteous "you"....where do you get off telling anybody about themselves? And everybody already knows that God is righteous.....any more Earth shattering revelations to offer? I do my own reading...I don't need your assistance.

You should really calm down and stop being incoherent. In a conversation, people make observations about things the people they are talking with say. If you do this, anyone else can. Even if you don't do this others can. However, you do, do this as shown above.

If we believe God is righteous, then we should behave as though we believe He is righteous.

And you would be the judge of said righteousness???? My, when we liken ourselves to God Almighty, how far is the fall? Talk about incoherency, I doubt if you could make sense of the paragraph you just wrote...
You are wasting good key strokes by telling folk what they already know...we don't need your font of wisdom, an exercise in futility, telling us ground breaking news ...that God is righteous.
Once again, you, Brian, and a few others feel it your bounden duty to tell folks about themselves, and the way to the Cross. I was a choirboy in an Episcopal Boys School, after the English choirboy system in merry olde England. I'm sure we celebrated Mass more times than you have attended anybody's church.
You're not in any position to tell me what a great sinner I am...any more than I am to tell you what a damn foolish and vain person you must be, and quite sad.
Work on Volunteer...because you need much work...well, more than you think.